oui wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 5:40 pm
rockedge wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 5:36 pm
@oui Seamonkey itself is not keeping pace with what web designers are making. Go talk to those guys making their pages so script/media heavy.
THE ONLY ONE BROWSER for real old Puppy user is seamonkey or an invitation to download a browser as wished! If new developers have an other opinion, the Puppy time is gone, the Puppy community is away, all is crashed...
I don't entirely understand the negativity. I doubt most want to use seamonkey nowadays. Nothing against it; it is attractive because provides email support and composer of course. But like rockedge said, people been complaining when lesser browser included yet if you want smallish distro, seamonkey won't achieve that nowadays either. BKs easyOS was 750MB download last time I looked. So I think dimkr is correct to leave main browser choice up to user; I don't myself want seamonkey though loved it years ago.
You don't seem to get the point that great package management makes it simple to add browser or any app. The main job for developer is to make the underlying distro as user- friendly polished as they can IMO and to keep it relevant to today's technology. Browser can be quick installed anytime; seamonkey, whatever; if you want special one you should be asking mikewalsh to provide sfs add on - surely that is one modern Puppy way if you can't find package via package manager or, for some reason, don't like the version pkg manager (apt/synaptics) gives you.
Personally I nearly always use apt or Synaptic gui since packages usually all guaranteed working and stable, but sfs variants are handy to share if using several different pups. Caveat is that old puppy dir structure is incompatible with the way most distros of today organize things.
Software has increased in size, but even ten year old machines have plenty of storage and cpu resources. RAM issues are to do with website complexity, not Puppy choices, though running from RAM uses up some precious RAM so the likes of zram is helpful. Personally, I dont run from RAM cos ssd drives are fast anyway, and Linux cache tends to do a good job keeping regularly used code in RAM anyway.
VanillaUpup gives you lots of choice. One of the best Pups for a while; fossapup and older becoming problematic museum pieces sooner rather than later because technology is rapidly forging ahead, whether we like it or not. But computer power is really becoming huge and much faster than any software bloat; soon 16GB RAM will be default; maybe more, yet laptops consume far less energy than in the old pentium 2, 3, or 4 days. Waste of money in annual electricity cost using power-hungry old machines that need ancient pups; those who do could instead buy newer machines, save money, not worry about distro download size (really unimportant) and reduce pollution of planet Earth.
Yes it is still possible to build a downloadable 100MB distro, or smaller like Slitaz, which is terribly out of date now, or tiny core Linux, which is definitely limiting so probably just for masochistic hobby fun; do you really want Puppy to be a toy distro of years ago capability - soon no-one would use it at all in that case. Some really nice, efficient, user-friendly distros out there nowadays. Calling for old type Puppy is calling for a distro hardly anyone would adopt as there desktop today. Nowadays we need 300 to say 500MB to provide sufficient facility, though making browser choice optional at least keeps initial download size relatively small ( though Fibre broadband doesn't make that really necessary - dialup days are over...).
The clever and attractive point of difference with all distros discussed on this forum is the neat and versatility of the many often gui frontend utility apps provided to help maintain and customize your system, and of course its continuing flexible frugal install abilities. Wayland and pipewire and so on will result in a lot of new variants though, and it is impossible to bury heads in sand and expect any one to keep using yesterday's distro designs. Try developing your own distro build system, rather than use someone else's attempts in this ever-advancing technological environment. Do you have a team of one thousand multi-skilled developers? it is a big never-ending job; nostalgia helps no-one in the end.
you will see what people need!
