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JASpup wrote: Tue Dec 21, 2021 10:52 am

amethyst wrote: Tue Dec 21, 2021 10:05 am

Gzip is much faster compressing data (very noticable when doing a remaster)

That I've noticed.

I'll run Firefox off a USB 2.0 standalone.

Decompressing nothing, the speed handicap is straining the CPU running these big browsers and loading pages, no matter how/where the app is stored (save anything short of a USB 1.0).

Don't wish to go too off topic here. On track is Bionic offers Places in a Upup (currently using it in Slacko6).

Is that better than:

• LxPup Xenial?

• Hacking glib or whatever for alt-FM mounting in Mainline Xenial?

• Trying to make X-Tahr do everything Xenial JWM does?

• Hacking Places into Tahr/Xenial?

Further in terms of speed. I have a usb 2 sd card. Best for optimum performance: Compress all your sfs's (all drives and extra sfs's) with gzip compression > copy all your drive sfs's to RAM at bootup (I load the sfs's I always use like the browser, Wine, Java as a bdrv,cdrv, etc). This takes a bit longer at bootup because everything is copied to RAM but it's well worth it (you need sufficient RAM of course). Performance is as fast as my hardddrive (remember this is usb 2, usb 3 will be even faster). If you choose pfix=nocopy, you should definitely compress all your sfs's with gzip for faster performance (especially when using a flashdrive). In fact, I think xz compression has more disadvantages these days now that disk space is not really a problem anymore. It's just slow in comparison. XZ compression is good for compressing to a smaller size for distribution purposes but really not for anything else in my opinion.

I made Bionic look like my Xenial for an apples:apples comparison.

I would need empirical testing to be sure, but it seems Bionic's windows are blurry like LXDE and the eye-strain is a deal-breaker.

I would resquash Xenial .xz if size were the priority. I respect subjective user impressions, but compression ratios have just not hit my user performance concern threshold.

It is more important to get Places in any pup, just a script config with no dependencies for the most elegant clean desktop mounting solution.

The script that builds the Places menu also calls subscripts for drive access (the important part).

I can get an icon to pull up a tray menu but not look or operate the way it should from here: viewtopic.php?t=1658

I haven't given up because partition mounting is a basic ongoing challenge for usability.

When I installed XFE from Bionic's PPM it had no icons. That is probably readily fixable.

Given Places is in Slacko6 but not Tahr or Xenial, and Bionic has the Slacko configuration feel, I could suggest Bionic is an Lx-Slackware hybrid in the guise of a Upup.

With Places, JWM only needs Roxfiler and XFE.

Hello! I brought from the underworld, an Acer Aspire 4332 Notebook, Celeron 900, 2.20GHz, 2Gb Memory. Running with the latest version of Bionicpup32. Browsers: Seamonkey and Slinjet. Anti virus Clamav 32bits 0.104.1-1, LibreOffice 5.1.3.2, Wine 3.3, PortableApps. Died to Windows, reborn in Linux!
I liked it so much that I bought a new battery!
Many thanks to the developer.

Duprate wrote: Thu Dec 30, 2021 6:31 pm

Running with the latest version of Bionicpup32.

Modified?
Kernel swapped? Overlayfs - not AUFS? 5.10.89-LTS?

peebee wrote: Fri Dec 31, 2021 7:20 am

Duprate wrote: Thu Dec 30, 2021 6:31 pm

Running with the latest version of Bionicpup32.

Modified?
Kernel swapped? Overlayfs - not AUFS? 5.10.89-LTS?

Hi! This kernel, I compile. I don't use aufs. I use the "Wiak" initrd. By the way, I use this structure and the same kernel in all installed distros (FatDog64-812, Dpup64-9.0.20, DebianDog , Slacko64 and Bionicpup32). By the way, it is the way in which the "KLV-Airedale-alpha" is being presented. However, I only had success with systems that were already in use and with a save file. To date, I have not been successful in starting a new distro with the "wiak" initrd where there is no save file. I do not know why ...

I like to compile my kernel, my antivirus, libreoffice. I like to download browsers straight from the official source and turn them into ROXapps. It's my way of experiencing Linux.

hey norgo thxx but i found out it was my script some how screw up when i do scan in dir and subdirs

thxx and sorry for the late replay

norgo wrote: Tue Dec 21, 2021 11:33 pm

AntonioPt wrote: Fri Nov 05, 2021 2:32 am

pkg --version
Pkg 1.9.23
and this is the result guys

installed the same packages for test ( used pkg 1.9.22 )
worked without problems for meScreenshot.jpg

hello
Is there a version of BinicPup32 32bit nonPae ISO ?
all i can found is uefi..my computer not have uefi bios

Hi AntonX,

"uefi" only means that there are files in the ISO enabling it to boot from computers which use the uefi mechanism. Such Puppys can also boot from computers without it.
"nonPae" is something else. It is possible, but highly unlikely, that your computer requires a 'noPae' kernel. They haven't been manufactured for about 20 years.
See this post, viewtopic.php?t=218. Without even knowing what computer you have (its capabilities) it's difficult to guide properly guide you.

ok thanks
so i will download and try

mikeslr wrote:

It is possible, but highly unlikely, that your computer requires a 'noPae' kernel.

Agreed that it's not very likely, but if it's the case, it might work when adding forcepae to the kernel boot line.

all work fine
wifi
keyboard setting
only ..i cannot set properly screen resolution with my ATI card to 1280x1024

i try to install ATI drivers from repo but still nothing ?

from all pupies i have tried only StrechDog set properly screen resolution
so now i am wondering what StrechDog have and BionicPup not

Am I a Linux heretic with the observation that the computing world has moved past the 32 bit architecture and that it will be a unsupported,orphan child over time?

Not really, most linux distributions have moved past 32 bit.

My graphic card is

AMD RADEON HD 6450

so which driver for linux i need for this card?

If i get it to work , can i easy remaster this Iso using
built in program ?
thanks

When downloading latest Firefox (96.0.2) with 'Get Web Browser' from 'Internet' menu, now the Firefox entry in the menu doesn't show a icon anymore. So far with all previous versions I always saw an icon. Also Firefox created a new profile, which previous upgrades were all fine to use the existing profile.

Nothing serious, just notice the above.

Profile change happened to me while using Linux Mint; FF v96.0.2. Easy enough to redo.

AstonX wrote: Sat Jan 22, 2022 8:35 am

My graphic card is

AMD RADEON HD 6450

so which driver for linux i need for this card?

If i get it to work , can i easy remaster this Iso using
built in program ?
thanks

I don't know anything about graphic cards. Just in passing I note that the OS which worked was NOT a Puppy. It was a debiandog.
DebianDogs are NOT Puppys. They are 'pure' debian structured and configured to function like Puppys. Their parts are not inter-changable with Puppys, such as the vmlinuz, zdrv.sfs and fdrv.sfs for dpup-stretch would be with UPupbb's defaults. You might be better off trying one of the newer debiandogs.
But if you can get your Upupbb working, DON'T use the built-in remaster to remaster. Instead use one of amethyst's nicOS-Utility-Suite's Remaster modules, viewtopic.php?p=12983#p12983. There are two. Their differences explained here, http://oldforum.puppylinux.com/viewtopi ... r#p1056561. Both are much less 'user-mistake-prone' and produce results much faster than the builtin.
As you are only going to use the Remaster on the one computer you mentioned, you don't need to generate an ISO: only build a new base sfs, to wit: puppy_upupbb_19.03.sfs. After that's been built, you just substitute the new one for the old.
This is what I do: within the upupbb folder, create a folder (I name it protect). Then move both the puppy_upupbb_19.03.sfs and the SaveFile/Folder into the 'protect folder'. Move the newly created puppy_upupbb_19.03.sfs any your SaveFile/Folder into the upupbb folder. Reboot without Saving. If there's a problem you can just revert that process to again use the old base and SaveFile/Folder. If there's no problem, you can delete the 'protect' folder.
On Second Thought: Considering the age of your computer, it is possible that both newer Puppys and debiandogs no longer provide support for your graphic card. I'd first want to find out if dpup-stretch will boot to desktop. It's available from the link on this post, viewtopic.php?p=1506#p1506

ndujoe2 wrote: Fri Jan 21, 2022 9:54 pm

Am I a Linux heretic with the observation that the computing world has moved past the 32 bit architecture and that it will be a unsupported,orphan child over time?

No, but the there's a difference between choking 32 vs. letting it die of natural causes vs. a life at all costs priority. The effort here is between 2 & 3. I'm 2 and against 1, recently got Google Support to accept an old version of Chromium with a spoofed User Agent. They're the 1 crowd. So we choose, subjectively, both as users and creators.

Thanks mike
on explanation ..i am not sure that i understand everything about remastering
because this is tricky part and i don't have experience in that.

but i have question again i hope that i don't bothering you .
I see on many places on old forum and here "remastering"
but i dont see anywhere any simple explanation in steps.

Like :

1.if I remove some programs from distro and add few new
is that saved on USB?

2.is remastering even possible using just USB ?

3.for example i found in old Saluki remastering tool
which told me that if i want remaster i need to have Puppy Frugal install.
what exactly is Frugall...? is that image of sytem ?
is it compressed ?
On which type of HDD need to be , formatted as ext4 or i can put it on ntfs ?

Hi, peebee
What was the last "pure" ubuntu release of this Puppy (before you mixed/updated stuff with debian)?

amethyst wrote: Mon Jan 31, 2022 8:07 pm

Hi, peebee
What was the last "pure" ubuntu release of this Puppy (before you mixed/updated stuff with debian)?

EE Eoan Ermine 19.10
https://sourceforge.net/projects/zestyp ... Upup-Eoan/

Or
EF which was a mix of FF+EE
https://sourceforge.net/projects/zestyp ... oan-Focal/

mksquashfs has lzo compression as one of the options and one can indeed make an lzo sfs but the system does not support it?

amethyst wrote: Tue Feb 08, 2022 6:48 am

the system does not support it?

In what sense not supported?

Never seen lz0 compression mentioned as supported in any Pup?

Wider issue than just BionicPup I think - maybe needs Woof-CE changes (if required).

peebee wrote: Tue Feb 08, 2022 7:03 am

amethyst wrote: Tue Feb 08, 2022 6:48 am

the system does not support it?

In what sense not supported?

Never seen lz0 compression mentioned as supported in any Pup?

Wider issue than just BionicPup I think - maybe needs Woof-CE changes (if required).

Can't boot sfs lzo, says it's unsupported format. Can't load it either with sfs_load.

I've had some weird experiences since using this Puppy as my daily driver. It all seems JWM related with some weird crashes of JWM when least expected. Seems to be happening randomly. I first thought it was related to the temperature application which crashed and then JMW with it but after removing that application, issues still persist. I'm now back using Precise. I wonder if this has something to do with using more virtual desktops, a feature which I have never really used in the past but am using quite often now. I'll see if I encounter the same when using Precise. Could be an issue entirely related to JWM.

This is a good example of why using delta files to update Bionicpup32 is an issue.

This is a topic where members of the forum are trying to help this new user of Puppy and Bionicpup32.
viewtopic.php?p=56811#p56811
Start reading here and follow the next few posts.

bigpup wrote: Fri May 06, 2022 5:29 pm

This is a good example of why using delta files to update Bionicpup32 is an issue.

Many thanks for the "nudge" but I don't think delta files are an "issue" as they are provided for good reasons:
- they are easy for me to produce with standard tools **most important**
- they do not clutter up the savearea with software updates
- full updated iso's are also available if the delta mechanism is too complex

I could change the help text displayed by the System Update menu item if this would help users to understand whats available.

I could change the help text displayed by the System Update menu item if this would help users to understand whats available.

Yes, that would be of great help.

I installed Gnome Disk Utility, when I ran it there is the following error:
gnome-disks:12473): GNOME-Disks-ERROR **: 07:52:06.475: Error getting udisks client: Error calling StartServiceByName for org.freedesktop.UDisks2: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.PermissionsInvalid: The permission of the setuid helper is not correct
Trace/breakpoint trap.
Any solution ?

alibadrelsayed wrote: Mon May 30, 2022 7:00 am

I installed Gnome Disk Utility,

Why? Say what you are actually trying to achieve and somebody may be able to help....

Needs many dependencies that are not in BionicPup32!!

Requires
Name Value
dconf-gsettings-backend -
gsettings-backend -
libatk1.0-0 >= 1.12.4
libc6 >= 2.10
libcairo2 >= 1.2.4
libcanberra-gtk3-0 >= 0.25
libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0 >= 2.22.0
libglib2.0-0 >= 2.43.2
libgtk-3-0 >= 3.21.5
liblzma5 >= 5.1.1alpha+20120614
libnotify4 >= 0.7.0
libpango-1.0-0 >= 1.18.0
libpangocairo-1.0-0 >= 1.14.0
libpwquality1 >= 1.1.0
libsecret-1-0 >= 0.7
libsystemd0 >= 209
libudisks2-0 >= 2.7.6
udisks2 >= 2.7.6