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Grey wrote: Thu Mar 10, 2022 5:59 pm@666philb Hello. If you have free time, please check how this kernel works for you: viewtopic.php?t=5391
Hi Grey... test,no mess at shutdown. Both thumb up.
666philb ,
5 months of imppup64 ,i like it, misspelled it 5-6 times yet...
As we may be 60 days away from an Ubuntu 'official GA' release, which "Indripup64" distro in this thread would you recommend we continue to test/use. There are 2; namely @666philb's version and @Grey's version...both are WoofCE versions.
Let's call it "version 9.7b" 
New kernel (5.16.14), new Python (3.10.2), fixed icons in the main menu. For the test, Diodon was added (this is such a fish 
in the system tray), which replaced Clipit as the clipboard manager. Uextract, JWMdesk and something else have been updated. It works for me both in Qemu and on real hardware. The kernel both starts and shuts down normally.
Conky has moved from the upper right to the lower left corner of the screen and is located next to the tail antenna of Robopup. In 1920x1080 resolution it seems to look good. If you want to go back to the upper right corner, then the old configuration file is in /root/.config/conky/conkyrc.bak. Well, if you are a militant aesthete and fastidious and you don't like that the disk icons overlap the tail antenna... Then go to Menu >>Desktop >>JWMdesk >>Icon Manager and change the value in Edge gap (for me, 70 perfectly places icons under the tail ).
Recently, a translation of the game It Came from the Desert into good literary Russian was released. So I'll run the Amiga computer emulator and play. Therefore, I probably won't do anything useful for a long time. All hope for @666philb
jammypup64-9.7b.iso
devx_jammypup64_9.7b.sfs
Different devices. Different approach.
Hello.
I gave jammypup64 9.7b a try. It is built in the same way as previous standard puppies I am familiar with. I hope the development of jammypup64 will proceed along this line.
I have noticed that logout_gui does not respond. I mean pressing the buttons does nothing. So, I use lxterminal to "poweroff" or "reboot" the computer. At first logout_gui was functional, but in the course of a session, it became inactive.
thinkpadfreak wrote: Sun Mar 20, 2022 6:05 amI have noticed that logout_gui does not respond. I mean pressing the buttons does nothing. So, I use lxterminal to "poweroff" or "reboot" the computer. At first logout_gui was functional, but in the course of a session, it became inactive.
This is an "unofficial" version See the last phrase in this post: https://forum.puppylinux.com/viewtopic. ... 528#p51528
By the way, I'm tired of lxterminal I really want to go back to urxvt and its ctrl+space menu.
Different devices. Different approach.
I know. But after several hours of use, I feel that this version is pretty well organized and it is a pity to forget about the work. Even if 666philb takes the initiative, I think this version will serve as a draft proposal.
No, not like that Of course I meant ctrl+right mouse click.
Different devices. Different approach.
thinkpadfreak wrote: Sun Mar 20, 2022 6:05 amI have noticed that logout_gui does not respond. I mean pressing the buttons does nothing. So, I use lxterminal to "poweroff" or "reboot" the computer. At first logout_gui was functional, but in the course of a session, it became inactive.
Jwmdesk seems to be responsible. Jwmdesk modifies logout_gui, which causes a syntax error. As a result, logout_gui becomes inactive.
Local pirates provided me with a new game Syberia: The World Before. In addition, I managed to launch it in Fossapup+Wine+DXVK.
The pirated version appeared right on the day of release and it's very bad, but very good.
As a fan of the series, I just have to play it (and, accordingly, do nothing in the Puppy area. Again ).
The first two parts of the game of the early 2000s were great. The third is some kind of nastiness. Let's see what the fourth one will be. Unfortunately Sokal died and there will be no new games with his participation. The new fourth just has to be interesting. I was told that the main character became a lesbian, although in the first parts she definitely had a fiance. Well, nothing, 2-3 holes in the script and plot I can forgive and endure 
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here is something a little strange - on an 8 GB ram computer i managed to get imppup running at about 326 mb. then i created a partition with 16 gb of linux-swap (overkill i know - but theres plenty of harddisk space )
and then the ram usage dropped as low as 296 mb with desktop runnig and internet on. i turned of al the "unnecessary" conky, windows effect etc. the question is - 8 GB of ram should be more than sufficient, how come that running ram drops when creating a swap partition?
kindly gnimmelf
Your brain will freeze over, trying to worry about stuff you have no control over.
The memory controller, in the Linux kernel, is constantly automatically adjusting memory allocation and how it is used.
Turing off some of Conky, is maybe the reason you see less memory use.
Also, stuff is done in the background, that sometimes is using memory and sometimes is not.
A memory problem, is when you are using way more memory, than it should.
Way more!
Swap is good to always have available.
But with 8GB of memory, it will probably never get used.
The things you do not tell us, are usually the clue to fixing the problem.
When I was a kid, I wanted to be older.
This is not what I expected 
i was just curius about it the measurements in ram and the adding of ram-swab was done after disabling conky and stuff!! so the reason must lie elsewhere?
kindly Gnimmelf
RAM consumption is surprisingly good.
Even with absolutely huge 5.15.x kernel (nearly identical to the Ubuntu one), latest woof-CE, GTK+ 3 everywhere, ConnMan, Blueman and other heavy stuff, the RAM consumption of a fresh jammy64 woof-CE build is very similar to that of a fresh fossa64 build:
Considering the 2 year gap between 20.04 and 22.04 and all the extras in this build, this is really good. (And I don't think bionic64 would still be much ligher, if built with necessities like PulseAudio and Bluetooth support.)
By the way, when using different kernels, LXTask shows a different amount of memory (total, second digit) on the same computer. The video card is discrete, it does not take away parts of the RAM. Who knows the link to the explanation document. Or even better, tell us "in your own words"
Different devices. Different approach.
Your brain will freeze over, trying to worry about stuff you have little control over.
The memory controller, in the Linux kernel, is constantly automatically adjusting memory allocation and how it is used.
As the Linux kernel is developed. All the stuff in it is tweaked, changed, added to, etc......
So, no two Linux kernels, will do stuff, exactly the same way.
About the biggest control of memory usage, is what program(s) you have running or loaded in memory.
But even what memory, that program is using, at any one point in time, is controlled by the memory controller, in the Linux kernel.
That kernel controller is constantly adjusting for overall system memory demand.
Usually a high usage of memory, that seems to not be normally required, is usually a program with a memory leak or very badly coded.
A memory leak is a type of resource leak, that occurs when a computer program, incorrectly manages memory allocations, in a way that memory, which is no longer needed, is not released.
A memory leak may also happen when an object is stored in memory, but cannot be accessed by the running code.
The things you do not tell us, are usually the clue to fixing the problem.
When I was a kid, I wanted to be older.
This is not what I expected
bigpup wrote: Sun Mar 27, 2022 5:11 pmYour brain will freeze over, trying to worry about stuff you have little control over.
I disagree, the kernel is configurable, and it's not just the kernel. Small things like woof-CE's "ram-saver" (https://github.com/puppylinux-woof-CE/woof-CE/pull/2435), zram, mksquashfs options, swappiness and even lightweight GTK+ 3 themes can make a huge difference.
bigpup wrote: Sun Mar 27, 2022 5:11 pmThe memory controller, in the Linux kernel, is constantly automatically adjusting memory allocation and how it is used.
The kernel's memory management is not some mysterious deity. Its behavior is documented, most concepts (page size, swap, memory compaction, idle page tracking, etc') don't change and there's a (finite) list of changes between kernel versions.
dimkr,
Thanks for all the work you are doing with Woof-CE and Puppy Linux! 
Take your coding hat off and get into the world of us normal users 
You are just adding details to what I was giving as general information.
A normal user of Linux and Linux software is not normally going to get deep into the weeds of internal configuration of memory management.
They are only going to affect memory usage by what programs they are using and how Puppy is installed.
With Puppy Linux, you have to be general in info or be very specific, to a specific version, of Puppy Linux.
All that updating and changes in Woof-CE build system, is only in it, until someone makes a new Puppy version, using the latest Woof-CE.
Anything new or changed in Woof-CE, added after a Puppy version is released, is not going to be in that specific Puppy version.
This is kind of high jacking this topic.
If you want to start a new topic about memory control options and the latest improvements to Woof-CE.
Yes do that.
I would be very interested in what is being done and improved.
I am sure others would also want to know. 
The things you do not tell us, are usually the clue to fixing the problem.
When I was a kid, I wanted to be older.
This is not what I expected
bigpup wrote: Sun Mar 27, 2022 11:14 pmAnything new or changed in Woof-CE, added after a Puppy version is released, is not going to be in that specific Puppy version.
Don't worry, the vast majority of these new things is included both in @666philb's and @Grey's builds. woof-CE is not dead, and this effort is not wasted. The "official" 22.04 based Puppy will be a huge improvement over its predecessors.
dimkr,
How about providing us a topic on what changes, improvements, etc.. have been put into the Woof_CE build system.
Seems like it would be a good topic to have posted in the Announcement section of the forum.
Unless you closely follow the work in Woof-CE, you have no knowledge about these changes.
I am sure people that develop Puppy versions would find this useful info.
I would do it, but half the stuff you do at Woof-CE, I find very hard to understand 
Well, maybe this is all that is needed.
viewtopic.php?t=5534
The things you do not tell us, are usually the clue to fixing the problem.
When I was a kid, I wanted to be older.
This is not what I expected
The alpha version of ASCII (okay, ANSI) in terminal
Yes, it is necessary to make the jellyfish not round , remove half of the circle:
Different devices. Different approach.
Jellyfish was offended that I depicted her incorrectly and caused a short circuit of the wiring
I have electricity in half of the rooms, but not in the other half. There is no electricity where the computer is. I temporarily solved the problem using a bunch of extension cords (I found 11 pieces ). I have to do something tomorrow. Basically, I was going to replace the electricity meter anyway... and here's the reason.
Different devices. Different approach.
The service responsible for the repair of electrics did not send anyone, although they promised by phone. Even for money (they charge quite a lot) they didn't come I understand that military operations are not very far away, but still.
Therefore, I called a friend, a 70-year-old specialist. Together we changed half of the wiring. The wiring is aluminum, so the cable was bought the same in cross-section and material (so that nothing oxidized). In principle, it is possible to change to copper, but sometime later. Now it remains (next week) to change the electricity meter, add a new outlet and change the chandelier in the corridor to an LED lamp.
Meanwhile, Ubuntu 22.04 came out (I hope Phil is doing something)
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I changed the "recipe" a little, built Jammy on the final Ubuntu libraries. It starts, and there is no system tray at the bottom
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@666philb Hi. For the second week I've been forgetting to ask Have you been influenced by the release of Vanilla Upup in terms of enthusiasm and desire to release Jammypup as soon as possible?
As for me, I'm at a crossroads. The problem is the same. Scrolling between tabs with the mouse wheel does not work in either Jammy or Vanilla.
I have seditious and impious thoughts. I can use Fossa for as long as I can... and then switch to something with KDE in which everything works. A traitor of faith ?! Mmmm... That's something like that.
Different devices. Different approach.
hi there
what is happening to Imppup?
is there soon a Beta or a final?
does quickpet come in at the end?
kindly Gnimmelf
Ubuntu Impish went EOL on 14th July.
https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2022/07/19/ub ... y-14-2022/
The packages have moved to old-releases.ubuntu.com
If a new build is released it would be Jammy.
Gnimmelf wrote: Sat Aug 20, 2022 5:37 pmhi there
what is happening to Imppup?
is there soon a Beta or a final?
does quickpup come in at the end?kindly Gnimmelf
What do you mean QuickPup was just moved to 64-bit. It was still in beta due to xfce's strange behavior since the devs port it to GTK3
mistfire wrote: Thu Aug 25, 2022 11:46 pmGnimmelf wrote: Sat Aug 20, 2022 5:37 pmhi there
what is happening to Imppup?
is there soon a Beta or a final?
does quickpup come in at the end?kindly Gnimmelf
What do you mean QuickPup was just moved to 64-bit. It was still in beta due to xfce's strange behavior since the devs port it to GTK3
didnt mean the distro - I ment the funktion quickpet sorry