Discussion: Where should UPup32 go next?

[peebee]

Many thanks to everybody for their thoughts. I'll attempt to draw out some of my conclusions....

There is support / need for 32-bit pups. (I like 32-bit because they have a more consistent lib structure than 64-bit where multiple conflicting lib structures seem to exist)

I like incremental, small step changes in developing. The jump from Bionic to Focal would have been too big if I hadn't gone through CC, DD and EE first. Therefore GG would be the next step on the road to JJ 22.04. However it looks like 32-bit systems based solely on Ubuntu components have reached the end of the road with Focal.

Pups based solely on Debian or Devuan are probably the future for deb based 32-bit pups - but there are other DPup developers @josejp2424 & @radky who are better placed to take them forward.

Other possible non-deb bases have been mentioned. I looked at Void and it seems to have a package approach based on providing source in it's repos and then compiling/building binaries locally - this seems incompatible with Woof-CE which expects binaries to be directly available. I may be wrong?

So... UPupEF will probably be the last 32-bit Ubuntu based pup. I may have a quick look at the feasibility of a 32-bit Focal Fossa / Debian hybrid just to see if this is possible - but also may not.

Cheers
peebee

[darry19662018]

Even though this thread is closed I'd like to say thanks for the work with 32 bit Pups you have done.

[wanderer]

thanks from me too
using upupbb32

wanderer

[sheldonisaac]

..There is support / need for 32-bit pups. (I like 32-bit because they have a more consistent lib structure than 64-bit where multiple conflicting lib structures seem to exist)..
So... UPupEF will probably be the last 32-bit Ubuntu based pup.

Thanks a lot, peebee. Although my usual OS is Radky's BusterPup, I have tried UpupEF and it seems fine.

Sheldon

[bigpup]

test

[tosim]

I know it says "closed", however, THANKS for all your work!

[peebee]

Just to note that the next Ubuntu version (21.04 STR) will be Hirsute Hippo.

At the moment (11/20), looking at the Ubuntu repos, it looks like there will be a similar number of 32-bit components as is available for Focal Fossa and Groovy Gorilla so a UPupHH+D should be a possibility

p.s. UPupFF+D and UPupGG+D did appear..... https://sourceforge.net/projects/zestypup/files/

[mikewalsh]

@mikeslr :-

Watchdog showed how an acceptable version of glibc can be built into the web-browser, palemoon, with instructions (Import) that it only look within its own folder for glibc. However, I suspect that employing the technique approaches the difficulty of creating operating systems. Moreover, there appears to be a limit on how useful that technique is. No one has published a chromium using it [nor for that matter with builtin nss libs]. And, IIRC, the technique could not be used with palemoon beyond version 27.

I have experimented with this in the past, and to a point, it does work. But, due to hardware constraints, this new desktop refuses to boot any Puppy not built with the Woof-CE system. All my favourite old Puppies are a no-go on this HP; they all declare, at boot, that they're looking for "VESA BIOS extensions"; they don't find them....and the boot process just freezes to a halt. Effectively, this makes Tahrpup the oldest Puppy that will play nice with the hardware......and, due to Tahrpup's glibc being 2.19 (and the majority of Chromium-based browsers being re-compiled for a baseline 2.15/2.17 ATM), usage of the 'built-in glibc' technique has not yet been found to be necessary.

Doubtless the time will eventually come when it is, but.....at the pace of adoption so far, and with Google leading on this point (because with the older glibc/dependencies, more people can still run up-to-date browsers without the need to upgrade everything else to match), Google widens its userbase and further consolidates its position. And I don't see Big Brother scrapping THAT ability anytime soon.

Mike.

[tosim]

I go along with what wanderer has posted in this thread. However you decide, I'm sure would be welcomed by us all.
Thanks for all you've done, and will be doing.

[peebee]

Alpha HirsutePup32 (won't be final until Hirsute Hippo release 22 April 2021):

https://sourceforge.net/projects/zestyp ... o/download
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[TerryH]

Alpha HirsutePup32 (won't be final until Hirsute Hippo release 22 April 2021):

https://sourceforge.net/projects/zestyp ... o/download
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Just having a bit of a play with the image

[peebee]

Delta for Alpha+1 of HirsutePup32:
https://sourceforge.net/projects/zestyp ... a/download

4ada7ac4e50ff0c35cbe400ff429749a UPupHH+D-21.04Alpha+1.iso

[tosim]

Thanks.Will dl, and check it out.

[mikeslr]

A play on TerryH's play:

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[tosim]

Playing with it right now. Am using the Light browser. Found my HP Laserjet printers quickly. So far, after about an hour's "playing", it is running fine. Peebee-you did it again. BTW-I am using a frugal install, and the Delta1 iso.Thank you.

[tosim]

Addendum to above:

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Anybody else having this problem?

[peebee]

Anybody else having this problem?

Ahhhh- haven't uploaded that yet..........soon hopefully

[tosim]

I, and probably many others, are eagerly awaiting it. Thank you again.

[peebee]

Delta for Alpha+2 of HirsutePup32:
https://sourceforge.net/projects/zestyp ... a/download

6b1ec0abd6de1b924ab52328a0b882b9 UPupHH+D-21.04Alpha+2.iso

[tosim]

Got it, and will try it out. Thanks.

[tosim]

Would not boot after I applied the delta2

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[tosim]

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[peebee]

Hi @tosim

Boots to desktop fine for me on both desktop-pc and laptop.

Have you copied all sfs to the frugal install directory? have you checked the iso md5 6b1ec0abd6de1b924ab52328a0b882b9

Presumably it does "boot" - just doesn't get to desktop? Otherwise how are you obtaining the files?

Have you tried running xorgwizard?
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[tosim]

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I was just using a different puppy, and tried reboot of "HH" and it booted. Still having problem with sound. I finally got some
sound, somewhat muted, from right speaker, nothing from left speaker.

[peebee]

Delta for Alpha+4 of HirsutePup32:
https://sourceforge.net/projects/zestyp ... a/download

91ae41fa6f1612c57ffc3ff7d583c918 UPupHH+D-21.04Alpha+4.iso

Please note: in this update Python2.7 is replaced by Python3.9 as requested by @s243a however with this change samba should really be rebuilt but it has so far proved impossible to do this so the old version remains with a symlink to "suppress" some dependency issues. From my superficial tests samba still seems to work, but I'd welcome more testing please. Thanks.

[tosim]

Have now got it dl'd. Will "play" with it later. Thank you.

[peebee]

Next step.............

Delta for Alpha+5 of HirsutePup32 also ISO & DEVX

ISO MD5: a39388c26bf6b37b3c223b4cd754daeb UPupHH+D-21.04Alpha+5.iso

Samba remains as previously - I'd welcome more testing please. Thanks.
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[tosim]

Will do, at least I'll try to. Thanks.

[666philb]

hi @peebee

where's the devx?

[peebee]

hi @peebee

where's the devx?

Same link above.....