Pale Moon 'portable' browsers - 32- & 64-bit

[Fenyo]

Yes, Palemoon was forked from the 52.9 esr Firefox, which is probably why (and gtk2 helps also) it runs well on old silicons (FF 91.13 was the last one that still runs reasonably well on older machines if you kill the webrender), but the downside is that it can't exploit the potential of more modern hardware.
In any case, 32bit builds for older distros (2014+) and cpu's (Pentium/K5/6X86+ etc) can still be compiled, here the normal sse2, sse and ia32.
Other stuff in the usual place.

[rockedge]

@mikewalsh I downloaded the latest palemoon-portable to run it on KLV-Boxer-rc4 and found that it would error out with:

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XPCOMGlueLoad error for file /opt/palemoon/libxul.so:
libdbus-glib-1.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
Couldn't load XPCOM.

The fix is to install dbus-glib

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xbps-install -Sy dbus-glib

KLV-Airedale and KLV-Spectr will run the palemoon-portable and menuadd also works out of the box.

[mikewalsh]

@Fenyo :-

The ridiculous thing about all this is that the G5400 is hardly what I'd call "old silicon". It's a 9th-Gen Coffee Lake chip.....this is later than Skylake & Kaby Lake, for Chrissakes. Yet Intel deleiberately "crippled" the core by purposely disabling existing instruction sets, just so they could aim it more exactly at its 'target' market segment (and thereby 'encourage' people to shell out more cash for more expensive, 'upmarket' CPUs where those features had been left alone).

All in the interests of 'marketing'. Jeezus.

Mike.

[geo_c]

The fix is to install dbus-glib

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xbps-install -Sy dbus-glib

KLV-Airedale and KLV-Spectr will run the palemoon-portable and menuadd also works out of the box.

This is what I had to install in KLV-Boxer to run Thunderbird-portable, so it might be a good idea to include in future builds. viewtopic.php?p=128548#p128548

[rockedge]

@geo_c That's what gave me the clue to try it. I added it to the PLUG recipe file.

[Fenyo]

@Fenyo :-

The ridiculous thing about all this is that the G5400 is hardly what I'd call "old silicon". It's a 9th-Gen Coffee Lake chip.....this is later than Skylake & Kaby Lake, for Chrissakes. Yet Intel deleiberately "crippled" the core by purposely disabling existing instruction sets, just so they could aim it more exactly at its 'target' market segment (and thereby 'encourage' people to shell out more cash for more expensive, 'upmarket' CPUs where those features had been left alone).

All in the interests of 'marketing'. Jeezus.

Mike.

Well, these minimum cpu insturciton sets are not necessarily tailored to the performance of the processors, but rather to some kind of planned obsolescence. When the sse2 minimum was introduced an Athlon Xp 3200+ was beating rounds on a Willamete 1.7 Celeron (but practically any Athlon Xp would eat any Willamate/Northwood Celeron for breakfast), not to mention Win 11's fun requirements like tpm 2.0, secure boot, min 7th gen Intel, Zen+ Amd etc. They must have felt they went far with this, because most of these were weeded out of Win 11 ltsc, only popcnt and something else was left, so it practically boots on a k10 generation Amd (sse4a) or Intel with sse4.2 without any gagging.
By the way, I fixed the 32 bit builds above, because as it turns out they removed support for older ffmpeg (older than 4.0)/libavcodecs (older than 58) from version 33.3.0, but this should only be a problem for people using 32 bit distros before about 2018 (e.g. Centos 7, Debian 9 or older, Ubuntu 16.04 or older etc).

[mikewalsh]

By the way, I fixed the 32 bit builds above, because as it turns out they removed support for older ffmpeg (older than 4.0)/libavcodecs (older than 58) from version 33.3.0, but this should only be a problem for people using 32 bit distros before about 2018 (e.g. Centos 7, Debian 9 or older, Ubuntu 16.04 or older etc).

@Fenyo :-

TBH, it's not so much of a problem for many of us any longer. We're beginning to use John van Sickle's static ffmpeg builds, so it's relatively easy to upgrade to newer versions. I'm finding his v5.1.1 build to be a good, day-to-day all-rounder.

Mind you though, thinking about it, that's not really the answer here, is it? Pale Moon isn't looking for ffmpeg AS SUCH; what's it's expecting to find is the 'standard' ffmpeg INSTALL.....where ffmpeg itself is a very small binary, and all that other stuff - libavcodec, libavdevice, libavformat, libavresample, libavutils, swrescale, etc, etc., is installed automatically when you do so. Because ffmpeg itself NEEDS them in order TO run.

I suspect THAT's what Pale Moon is in fact looking for. The static ffmpeg builds only really work where ffmpeg itself is the item that's being called. Many multimedia applications make use of the fact that all these other dependencies are usually there OOTB in most distros.....and take full advantage by calling those dependencies DIRECTLY. Ffmpeg isn't 'called' at all.....the apps are, however, directly calling various component PARTS of the 'full' ffmpeg install.

I'm right, aren't I?

Mike.

[bigpup]

The release notes for Pale Moon 33.3.0, direct you to this download location, for 3rd party builds, that are SSE2 Linux versions.
http://ftp2.palemoon.org/avx/linux/

Also have gtk2 or gtk3 versions.

[greengeek]

The release notes for Pale Moon 33.3.0, direct you to this download location, for 3rd party builds, that are SSE2 Linux versions.
http://ftp2.palemoon.org/avx/linux/

Also have gtk2 or gtk3 versions.

The first time I went to that link I could see what was available - but the last few days I can't get access. Are others able to access what's there?
I found some stuff at http://archive.palemoon.org/palemoon/33.x/

[mikewalsh]

The first time I went to that link I could see what was available - but the last few days I can't get access. Are others able to access what's there?
I found some stuff at http://archive.palemoon.org/palemoon/33.x/

@greengeek :-

Link's working fine for me, Ian. Are you still having "issues" with accessing it?

Mike.

[Chelsea80]

@greengeek

Link gives me this:

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[greengeek]

Link gives me this:...

Hmmm, interesting that you guys can see it. Must be something weird with my browsers or network.

Link's working fine for me, Ian. Are you still having "issues" with accessing it?

Yes, still unable to get through.
Midori browser told me "We are getting weird errors and cannot access that site"
Chromium is telling me there is a timeout:

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I will try some different Pup/browser combos and see how I go.
(Then if still no joy I will reset the router as a last resort)

Thanks guys!

[greengeek]

The release notes for Pale Moon 33.3.0, direct you to this download location, for 3rd party builds, that are SSE2 Linux versions.
http://ftp2.palemoon.org/avx/linux/

Also have gtk2 or gtk3 versions.

Finally worked out why I could not access this site:

http://ftp2.palemoon.org/avx/linux/ does not work for me. Just hangs or gives unknown errors.

Instead, I needed to use either:
https://ftp2.palemoon.org/avx/linux/
or even just:
ftp2.palemoon.org/avx/linux/

I have no idea if this is to do with "certificates", or ssl, or my router, or some other browser settings. (I haven't changed any browser settings but maybe it's just the way my pups handle http rather than https??)

Anyway - I have got through to the site again now so thanks again for the testing.

[Jasper]

@greengeek

Are you using a Palemoon extension that forces HTTPS?

eg HTTP Always 5.2.27 by Hyperbola Project

[greengeek]

Are you using a Palemoon extension that forces HTTPS?
eg HTTP Always 5.2.27 by Hyperbola Project

No, I am using my browsers just as they come ootb.
Mostly Midori, Palemoon and unGoogled Chromium.
(Also Dissenter, Waterfox and Opera showed the same issue)

[Wiz57]

For those like myself that still use a 32 bit Puppy and 32 bit Palemoon, I have found that Steven Pusser
has updated his MX Linux builds to the latest 33.3.1 SSE2 build! It is in GTK3 now, but so far I've had no
problems on my old Acer Aspire One AOA150 with `1 gig RAM, running my custom Slackware based
S15Pup 32! Here's the link to the directory, for older CPU I went with the build for MX 21,
https://mxrepo.com/MX21packages.html Have to scroll down quite a way!
Have fun!
Wiz

ps...I "installed" the deb package just as I did with Steven's Debian builds previously, click on it once
downloaded and install just like a Puppy pet. The last of Steven's Debian "deb"s was for version 33.1.1,
in GTK2.

[Null_ID]

For those like myself that still use a 32 bit Puppy and 32 bit Palemoon, I have found that Steven Pusser
has updated his MX Linux builds to the latest 33.3.1 SSE2 build! It is in GTK3 now, but so far I've had no
problems on my old Acer Aspire One AOA150 with `1 gig RAM, running my custom Slackware based
S15Pup 32! Here's the link to the directory, for older CPU I went with the build for MX 21,
https://mxrepo.com/MX21packages.html Have to scroll down quite a way!
Have fun!
Wiz

ps...I "installed" the deb package just as I did with Steven's Debian builds previously, click on it once
downloaded and install just like a Puppy pet. The last of Steven's Debian "deb"s was for version 33.1.1,
in GTK2.

Thank you for bringing these MX Linux builds to my attention. This is good, because when it comes to 3rd party stuff, I happen to trust Pusser more due to his very long history of doing Pale Moon contributions, plus him being allowed to upload to the MX Linux repo. His packages work as is in Puppy, so a solution found.

[keniv]

@mikewalsh

However; all is NOT lost. You beat me to the 3rd-party contrib. builds page, but I was heading there anyway. A community member by the name of Nuck-TH has begun to compile SSE2 builds of mainline Pale Moon, and his first builds are now available................I've had to include glibc 2.28, using watchdog's 'tweak' trick, due to the fact that this is now the minimum required by their newly-upgraded build system.......but, thanks to Nuck-TH, I've now got a Puppy-portable package available for Pale Moon v33.3.0, which - if the "official" package isn't working for you - can be found here:-

https://drive.sukudir.com/drive/s/1sgAj ... ZDaKhKXBWT

Hi Mike,
I've tried the above link but get an error as shown below.

This XML file does not appear to have any style information associated with it. The document tree is shown below.
<Error>
<Code>AccessDenied</Code>
<Message>Access Denied.</Message>
<Key>
uploads/73daff82-0820-4679-b7a1-5cce20a6d254/73daff82-0820-4679-b7a1-5cce20a6d254
</Key>
<BucketName>jdm</BucketName>
<Resource>
/uploads/73daff82-0820-4679-b7a1-5cce20a6d254/73daff82-0820-4679-b7a1-5cce20a6d254
</Resource>
<RequestId>1802587BC87AE19A</RequestId>
<HostId>4716f127-83fc-4859-8371-c6f35543a911</HostId>
</Error>

Can you tell me if this portable is still available and if so how I can download it.

Regards,

Ken.

[rockedge]

I just tried the link and I can successfully reach and download the palemoon package. Which browser are you using to connect to the link?

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[mikewalsh]

@keniv / @rockedge :-

Oh, that Suku Drive account has been driving me crackers ever since I created it. I thought 75 GB free storage sounded too good to be true....and, um, well; it's "unpredictable", to say the least.

I've always been able to upload stuff. That bit's not an issue. What IS an issue is trying to retrieve it when you want it.....

For a while, I couldn't download at all, with ANY browser. Then certain browsers seemed to allow access......yet a few days later, those same browsers stopped working again! As things stand, assorted browsers sometimes work at random, though mostly they don't....

I've more or less given up on it. This is mainly why I've opted for the basic "paid" option on my Google Drive a/c which works out to around 40p a week; I've had that a/c for 25 years, and in all that time, TBH, Google have not f**ked me around once. Indeed, what few problems I've had they've given first-class customer service, and sorted 'em out pronto. Me, I have no complaints with them, at all.

I need a cloud-hosting a/c I can trust and rely on. Suku Drive is NOT it.

EDIT:- Ken, try this link at the Drive:-

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Xfq5kYWXzvgOm5tzRR4aylHxW1pAJPeS?usp=sharing

This should work.

Mike.

[keniv]

@mikewalsh and @rockedge

EDIT:- Ken, try this link at the Drive:-

I don't think I'm doing anything wrong here. I'm using Bookworm64 10.0.8 and it's version of Firefox esr v128.3.1 which I believe is up to date. Below is what I get when I click on Mike's new link.

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I have not copied all of this to save space. It looks like a text only version of the forum to me but I don't know why this appears.
I've also tried to download from this link using the previous portable version of Palemoon version 33.2.1 which is up to date as far as it will go and get the same result. I hope the above provides some clues.

Regards,

Ken.

Edit: I've just managed to download from Mike's original link using the above mentioned older portable version of Palemoon.

[keniv]

Well my initial elation at being able to download the file has been punctured for although the downloaded file matches the md5 checksum when unpacked I cannot open PaleMoon_gtk2-portable64 by clicking on it. Can I ask if anybody who has been able to both download, unpack and get this portable to work let me know how they did it.

Regards,

Ken.

[mikewalsh]

@keniv :-

I don't quite understand where you're going wrong here, Ken!

I uploaded the file to the 'Drive' earlier on, using the big HP desktop rig. I've just downloaded that same package to the "new" Latitude E6430 in the front room, unzipped it with UExtract, clicked once on the ROX-app to launch it, and she fired straight up.

Try this:-

Open a terminal beside the ROX-app, at the same directory level. Rt-clk in an empty space, Window -> Terminal here. Type in

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./PaleMoon_gtk2-portable64/AppRun

What output d'you get back?

When directories are turned into ROX-apps, the normal 'click-to-open' action is taken over by the 'click-to-launch' action instead. IF you want to look inside a ROX-app directory, then it's rt-clk -> Look Inside.....

Let us know what happens, please. (Oh, and BTW; what Puppy are you trying this in, again?)

Mike.

[keniv]

@mikewalsh
Hi Mike,
I was trying to get it to run in Bookworm 10.0.8. Below is the output that you requested.

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# ./PaleMoon_gtk2-portable64/AppRun
/initrd/mnt/dev_save/Portables64/PaleMoon_gtk2-portable64/palemoon64/palemoon: /initrd/mnt/dev_save/Portables64/PaleMoon_gtk2-portable64/glibc231/lib/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.35' not found (required by /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgcc_s.so.1)
/initrd/mnt/dev_save/Portables64/PaleMoon_gtk2-portable64/palemoon64/palemoon: /initrd/mnt/dev_save/Portables64/PaleMoon_gtk2-portable64/glibc231/lib/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.34' not found (required by /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgcc_s.so.1)
# 

I notice that the above makes mention of glibc 2.35 and 2.34 whereas the version in this portable seems to be 2.31.
However I've also tried to run it in F96-4CE and it does run on this but not as the previous portable version I mentioned earlier.

When directories are turned into ROX-apps, the normal 'click-to-open' action is taken over by the 'click-to-launch' action instead

The above is exactly how it runs on F96-4CE but I have been able to "look inside" and select add menu and delete the new profile and make a link to my to the profile I used in the old version. I don't think I've used one of your portables that didn't run on both of these pups. I hope this is of some help.

Regards,

Ken.

[mikewalsh]

@keniv :-

Yah, that mention of glibc 2.35 & 2.34 is exactly what I see myself when I run it under BWP64.....but for me, it does still launch and run OK. That's because although it's been told to use the self-contained glibc 2.31, it still checks around the system and sees that the system has a newer version.....and naturally, it queries this, because it doesn't understand why the newer version isn't being used instead.

All software tends to be written to avail itself of the newest builds of everything. Especially a browser.....because of the security angle.

Would you do me a copy/paste of the 'LAUNCH' script you have there, please? And can you let me have a screeny of the contents of the ROX-app while you're at it? The 'LAUNCH' script you have there should have an exception for BookwormPup, which lets it run with the newer stuff in the system...because - as usual - I've tried to build it to run under as many Pups as possible.

I keep modifying things as newer versions come along, and TBH, I have a job keeping track of quite where particular builds have been uploaded to.....especially given that I'm still juggling several cloud a/cs!

Thanks.

Mike.

[keniv]

@mikewalsh

Would you do me a copy/paste of the 'LAUNCH' script you have there, please?

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#!/bin/sh
#
# Launcher for 'portable' Pale Moon browser
#
HERE="$(dirname "$(readlink -f "$0")")"
#
mkdir "$HERE/profile" 2> /dev/null
#
export LC_ALL=C
#
$HERE/glibc231/lib/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 --library-path $HERE/glibc231/lib:$HERE/glibc231/usr/lib:$HERE/glibc231/libstdc++:/usr/X11R7/lib:$HERE "$HERE/palemoon64/palemoon" "$@" -profile "$HERE/profile"

And can you let me have a screeny of the contents of the ROX-app while you're at it?

Again I hope this helps.

Ken.

[mikewalsh]

@keniv :-

Thanks for those, Ken.

The contents of the directory look fine. That 'LAUNCH' script will need replacing, though, 'cos I think that's where the trouble lies. Since getting this "new-to-me" Dell Latitude a few weeks ago - and discovering that I can run the 'mainline' Pale Moon release here, because this Core i5 CPU has the necessary instruction sets to permit it (the desktop's 9th-gen Pentium Gold can't, because Intel deliberately disabled them) - I've modified the 'LAUNCH' script to let me run my favourite Xenialpup64 alongside BookwormPup64.

I've attached the modified launcher below. It lets Xenialpup64 use the included glibc, but BookwormPup64 will use the newer stuff already present in the system. Just rename it to remove the fake ".gz", then swap it for your existing 'LAUNCH' script. Make sure it's executable first (rt-clk -> Properties, and ensure the 'Exec' checkboxes down the bottom are all ticked. If not, tick 'em, click 'Refresh', then 'OK').

Let us know if that helps.

Mike.

[keniv]

@mikewalsh
Hello Mike,
Thanks for the new LAUNCH script which I have installed and which I'm pleased to say is working in both Bookworm 10.0.8 and F96-4CE. I'm posting from it now in Bookworm. Can I just thank you again for your help with this.

Regards,

Ken.

[mikewalsh]

@mikewalsh
Hello Mike,
Thanks for the new LAUNCH script which I have installed and which I'm pleased to say is working in both Bookworm 10.0.8 and F96-4CE. I'm posting from it now in Bookworm. Can I just thank you again for your help with this.

Regards,

Ken.

No worries, mate; glad to help. "Another happy customer..."

Enjoy.

Mike.