Installed Bionicpup32 19.03 not too long ago, have some questions

[INSPIRON_E1505_USER]

thanks guys and y'all accidentally taught me how to download PETs and open them

at first i thought something was wrong when i tried to open the PETs download y'all posted, it asked for my admin password, i swear i knew my password, so then i made sure by changing it in the terminal "passwd" and it still didnt work

so i saw the readme file in the spot folder where the PETs were downloaded, apparently i have to be spot for the PETs to work, maybe its a setup i opt'd for idk. So, via the read me i found in the folder, i had to change to spot in terminal by "su spot"...and then it worked!! and "exit" when done

i dont know what i did but i install them and restart now i see heat and i can now confirm my re-thermal is working because i was running at like 50-59 Celsius just sitting idle on XP and now its like 40-42 Celsius on bionicpup64, i will have to check in XP too, that was with the old T2300 chip.

first time changing thermal pads, i had to make a gamble and buy a assorted size kit because i didn't know if that one pad i had was 1mm. 1.5mm or 2mm, it was 2mm comparing the sizes although the precut pad was slightly bigger it seems to work.

Success!!

[mikewalsh]

@INSPIRON_E1505_USER :-

Just FYI, you might want to consider updating the BIOS. It's not a 'must-do' by any means, but since you still have XP installed it should be much easier (it's an .exe file, y'see).

You're presently on A04. The newest available for that E1505 is, apparently, A17:-

https://www.dell.com/support/home/en-uk ... id=r158849

Seems it adds additional support for newer CPUs.....and you've just installed the top one available for that socket. Entirely up to you, of course, but I just thought I'd mention it.

Mike.

[INSPIRON_E1505_USER]

yeah i saw that, but i'm scared to do it, if something happens i heard it can brick your computer, i might be slightly more confident since the refresh....hmmmm ill check it this weekend

[wizard]

@INSPIRON_E1505_USER

i heard it can brick your computer

Now who can't use another brick?

Not likely to happen unless you loose power during the update.

wizard

[rockedge]

I was able to flash the newer BIOS on the same machine. I also had big heat problems with this unit but did manage to update Windows from WIndows 7 to Windows 10 which did not improve the thermal perfomance. Switching to Bionic32 really helped by reducing the running temps considerably.

I did the BIOS upgrade with a USB flash drive that is set up for this task using FreeDOS as the OS on the USB stick which runs the .exe that does the BIOS update.

[INSPIRON_E1505_USER]

well from the responses i guess im not done yet completing my E1505 lol

- bluetooth module
- A04 BIOS update
- GPU radeon X1400 driver for linux (realized thats probably why conky is showing up like that, likes its falling off screen at the bottom, as if my desktop is not scaled right or fitted to screen) windows xp side has the drivers though, i guess it wont bother me

[INSPIRON_E1505_USER]

@INSPIRON_E1505_USER :-

Just FYI, you might want to consider updating the BIOS. It's not a 'must-do' by any means, but since you still have XP installed it should be much easier (it's an .exe file, y'see).

You're presently on A04. The newest available for that E1505 is, apparently, A17:-

https://www.dell.com/support/home/en-uk ... id=r158849

Seems it adds additional support for newer CPUs.....and you've just installed the top one available for that socket. Entirely up to you, of course, but I just thought I'd mention it.

Mike.

longtime....laptop works great, the refresh and everything, gives me alot of nostalgia, best keyboard on a laptop IMO, just wish there was a way to put a more powerful battery in this thing, up to 15000MaH or something.

There are few things i still need to figure out but thats ok...i was on a trip now im readying for that A17 bios update, is it possible to install this while on puppy or should i download and use it in the xp OS?

Also, i just figured out that puppy64 can do all the things i put on XP (old games, programs etc) i have it in dual boot, should i keep it that way? if not how can i make the puppy i have now the main and take over the full laptop space etc without reinstalling it because i like the edit i made lol

[INSPIRON_E1505_USER]

did the bios update, only see a .25 increase for ram, unless im doing something wrong but its updated no issuses

IOS Vendor: Dell Inc.
Version: A17
Release Date: 06/13/2007

Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU T7600 @ 2.33GHz
Min/Max Speed: 1000/2333 MHz
Current Speed of Core 0:1000 MHz, 1:2333 MHz
Core Count: 2
Thread Count: 2

emory Allocation:
Total RAM: 3255 MB
Used RAM: 1469 MB
Free RAM: 1786 MB
Buffers: 437 MB
Cached: 861 MB
Total Swap: 0 MB
Free Swap: 0 MB

Actual Used RAM: 171 MB Used - (buffers + cached)
Actual Free RAM: 3084 MB Free + (buffers + cached)

[wizard]

@INSPIRON_E1505_USER

You've got enough power now to try some of the newer Pups like F96CE_4 or BookwormPup64 10.0.7.

Good save

Thanks
wizard

[rockedge]

I have the exact same machine. I run F96-CE_4, KLV-Airedale and KLV-Spectr on it with good performance

[mikeslr]

thanks guys and y'all accidentally taught me how to download PETs and open them

at first i thought something was wrong when i tried to open the PETs download y'all posted, it asked for my admin password, i swear i knew my password, so then i made sure by changing it in the terminal "passwd" and it still didnt work

so i saw the readme file in the spot folder where the PETs were downloaded, apparently i have to be spot for the PETs to work, maybe its a setup i opt'd for idk. So, via the read me i found in the folder, i had to change to spot in terminal by "su spot"...and then it worked!! and "exit" when done

i dont know what i did but i install them and restart now i see heat and i can now confirm my re-thermal is working because i was running at like 50-59 Celsius just sitting idle on XP and now its like 40-42 Celsius on bionicpup64, i will have to check in XP too, that was with the old T2300 chip.

first time changing thermal pads, i had to make a gamble and buy a assorted size kit because i didn't know if that one pad i had was 1mm. 1.5mm or 2mm, it was 2mm comparing the sizes although the precut pad was slightly bigger it seems to work.

Success!!

Your post suggests to me that you downloaded a pet file using a web-browser running as spot.. Which web-browser are you using?
Ordinarily all you have to do to install a pet is Left-Click it. But spot is a 'limited user'. It's a security thing. Applications run as Spot do not have Administrative privileges and can only access the Spot folder: e.g. /home/spot. . The file downloaed, however, does have root-privileges. So the easy solution is to move the download out of the Spot-folder before Left-Clicking it.

Run rox and file-browse to /root/Downloads or (my preference) /mnt/home/Downloads. Left-Click an empty space, select New>Directory and name it, e.g., FromSpot. Bookmark that folder. Leave it open.
Open a 2nd rox window and file-browse to your .../spot/Download folder. Bookmark that Download folder. Left-Press, then drag your 'FromSpot' folder into the /spot/Download folder and select "Link(relative).
Remember to execute a Save.
Now you can open rox, jump to your downloaded /spot/Download folder, drag the desired downloaded file onto 'FromSpot', then jump to your bookmarked /FromSpot folder and left-click pets, debs, other executables, and move downloaded data files wherever you want to keep them.

[INSPIRON_E1505_USER]

im using opera, seems like a good good browser, i never used it before

[INSPIRON_E1505_USER]

I have the exact same machine. I run F96-CE_4, KLV-Airedale and KLV-Spectr on it with good performance

you ever figure out how to do real screen brightness not color hue darkening. Trying to figure that out because that would save me battery time.

[ozsouth]

@INSPIRON_E1505_USER - may be a simple way to set brightness (at own risk). Run the following in a terminal:

cat /sys/class/backlight/max_brightness

Assuming that gives you a number, to set half brightness, divide max_brightness by 2 & run:

echo (whatever half max is) > /sys/class/backlight/brightness

NOTE: the number will vary for different PCs & location seems standard for Intel video cards at least.
If it works, can make an executable script to do it on startup. (I've used a version of this for years).

[INSPIRON_E1505_USER]

Some Minor tweak here and there, waiting on adding bluetooth and i think this laptop will be ready for the garage. My next project going to be crazy

[INSPIRON_E1505_USER]

@INSPIRON_E1505_USER - may be a simple way to set brightness (at own risk). Run the following in a terminal:

cat /sys/class/backlight/max_brightness

Assuming that gives you a number, to set half brightness, divide max_brightness by 2 & run:

echo (whatever half max is) > /sys/class/backlight/brightness

NOTE: the number will vary for different PCs & location seems standard for Intel video cards at least.
If it works, can make an executable script to do it on startup. (I've used a version of this for years).

its not working on mine, it says directory not found

[mikewalsh]

@INSPIRON_E1505_USER :-

I think what you want is Fred's Redshift-portable. It not only does the colour temperature thing, but also has a true brightness control:-

https://forum.puppylinux.com/viewtopic.php?t=573

Inspired by a former member called johnywhy, it kicked off this thread on the old forum, way back in 2018:-

https://oldforum.puppylinux.com/viewtopic.php?t=114277

My own coding wasn't very good in those days, but I had got the hang of creating some GUI stuff using YAD (Yet Another Dialog; it's a more modern take on the older 'zenity').....and since Fred had got interested, he helped out with the code. We went through a few increasingly sophisticated 'manual' variants, using a wee binary another member had discovered the previous year called sct.

Eventually, it led to Fred's discovering a lightweight command-line variant of RedShift, which he used to put the above-mentioned 'RedShift-portable' together. It's packed as a self-extracting script; download it, unzip it, make sure the script is set as executable, and just bung it in /root/Startup. For me, it works flawlessly in all my Pups, including Bionicpup64.

Initially, just click on it to launch it the first time (it runs from an icon in the notification area, over on the right-hand side). You'll get asked a few questions, and it leads you through setup via GUIs. It has geo-location - to get the right timing for the colour temp stuff - but be warned; the geo-location is not always that accurate! Once it's set-up, however, it's simple enough to find your longitude & latitude online, then edit the appropriate file in /root/.rshift.

You can run it manually, or you can set it to auto-run at each boot.

If you decide to give it a try, please let us know if it does what you want. (If Fred's links above aren't active any longer, you can find them mirrored at my Google Drive:- https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/ ... drive_link )

Mike.

[INSPIRON_E1505_USER]

@INSPIRON_E1505_USER :-

I think what you want is Fred's Redshift-portable. It not only does the colour temperature thing, but also has a true brightness control:-

viewtopic.php?t=573

Inspired by a former member called johnywhy, it kicked off this thread on the old forum, way back in 2018:-

https://oldforum.puppylinux.com/viewtopic.php?t=114277

My own coding wasn't very good in those days, but I had got the hang of creating some GUI stuff using YAD (Yet Another Dialog; it's a more modern take on the older 'zenity').....and since Fred had got interested, he helped out with the code. We went through a few increasingly sophisticated 'manual' variants, using a wee binary another member had discovered the previous year called sct.

Eventually, it led to Fred's discovering a lightweight command-line variant of RedShift, which he used to put the above-mentioned 'RedShift-portable' together. It's packed as a self-extracting script; download it, unzip it, make sure the script is set as executable, and just bung it in /root/Startup. For me, it works flawlessly in all my Pups, including Bionicpup64.

Initially, just click on it to launch it the first time (it runs from an icon in the notification area, over on the right-hand side). You'll get asked a few questions, and it leads you through setup via GUIs. It has geo-location - to get the right timing for the colour temp stuff - but be warned; the geo-location is not always that accurate! Once it's set-up, however, it's simple enough to find your longitude & latitude online, then edit the appropriate file in /root/.rshift.

You can run it manually, or you can set it to auto-run at each boot.

If you decide to give it a try, please let us know if it does what you want. (If Fred's links above aren't active any longer, you can find them mirrored at my Google Drive:- https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/ ... drive_link )

Mike.

thanks mike im going to try this after work and check it out

[INSPIRON_E1505_USER]

@INSPIRON_E1505_USER :-

I think what you want is Fred's Redshift-portable. It not only does the colour temperature thing, but also has a true brightness control:-

viewtopic.php?t=573

Inspired by a former member called johnywhy, it kicked off this thread on the old forum, way back in 2018:-

https://oldforum.puppylinux.com/viewtopic.php?t=114277

My own coding wasn't very good in those days, but I had got the hang of creating some GUI stuff using YAD (Yet Another Dialog; it's a more modern take on the older 'zenity').....and since Fred had got interested, he helped out with the code. We went through a few increasingly sophisticated 'manual' variants, using a wee binary another member had discovered the previous year called sct.

Eventually, it led to Fred's discovering a lightweight command-line variant of RedShift, which he used to put the above-mentioned 'RedShift-portable' together. It's packed as a self-extracting script; download it, unzip it, make sure the script is set as executable, and just bung it in /root/Startup. For me, it works flawlessly in all my Pups, including Bionicpup64.

Initially, just click on it to launch it the first time (it runs from an icon in the notification area, over on the right-hand side). You'll get asked a few questions, and it leads you through setup via GUIs. It has geo-location - to get the right timing for the colour temp stuff - but be warned; the geo-location is not always that accurate! Once it's set-up, however, it's simple enough to find your longitude & latitude online, then edit the appropriate file in /root/.rshift.

You can run it manually, or you can set it to auto-run at each boot.

If you decide to give it a try, please let us know if it does what you want. (If Fred's links above aren't active any longer, you can find them mirrored at my Google Drive:- https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/ ... drive_link )

Mike.

yes it works, dims it down

and i also tried bookwormpup64 on bootable drive just checking it out. i like that i can use apt commands because thats what i know (started on) i was trying to learn bash but its confusing me trying to unlearn apt commands, it is nice but ill keep at it with bionic.

[mikewalsh]

@INSPIRON_E1505_USER :-

^^^

Glad to be of help. (And a big "+1" to @fredx181 , as always!)

Mike.

[INSPIRON_E1505_USER]

Long read ahead sorry!

Messing with bookwormpup64 and accidently messed up my partitions/saves tried to delete it, then accidently deleted the saves to all my bionicpups and I can't boot anymore, but nothing was really lost as I'm still setting up the computer to do its job when she ready. Since then, I formatted my only bookwormpup thumb drive (which was working) I made a new one with 10.0.8 and it's not booting and is stuck at the black screen before loading RAM using GRUB4DOS, my old bionicpup32 still boots, I'll make a bionic64 one again tonight.

Now I'm kind of interested in bookwormpup's setup/build, only because for some reason with that OS all my hardware built in accessories work on my dell laptop, and it can correctly format certain websites. The external volume and media buttons work! and I'm more familiar with Lxterminal but not by much.

With that said; is there a way to figure out what bookwormpup is doing to make the websites format correctly in the browsers (ie Reddit) and getting the external accessories to work? and incorporate that into bionic? if so I would stay like to stay bionic, since I've gotten so familiar with it. My computer ran both smoothly though.

Also, I'm looking for ways to fully install the Bionic OS and wipe out windows XP to see if it's preventing me from reaching 4gb RAM or are full installs not recommended? asking because some of you said you have the same computer as i do, how are you running it? Apparently I was using it wrong in the first place, so the learning curve continues!

[bigpup]

The browser that is provided by BookwormPup64 10.0.8 is the up to date version of Firefox browser.

All web sites seem to think they must continue to update and work with the latest features, that are available.

To do that, you must use a browser that is able to work with these new features.

To some extent the Linux kernel being used, must also provide support for these features, along with the core Linux files and programs, being used in the OS.
A newer version of Puppy is going to have a newer kernel and updated Linux core files and programs.

Supporting what is needed, for proper viewing of web sites, seems to be a constant moving target.

As to hardware support being better in BookwormPup64.

Everything in BookwormPup64, for support of hardware, is updated from what is in Bionicpup.
All the programs used are improved, newer kernel, newer drivers, better drivers, better improved firmware, etc.......
A lot of the Puppy Linux core files and programs, have been tweaked to work better, and also had little bugs fixed.
A lot of overall improvements from what is in Bionicpup on how Puppy Linux operates.

The best install of Puppy Linux, on a internal drive, is a frugal install.
Frugal is just what it is called. It is still the complete OS, just installed in a special way.
It is all the different files in the Puppy Linux ISO, that make up the complete Puppy OS, placed in a folder(directory), with a boot loader on the drive, to boot it.
All the features of Puppy only work with a frugal install or a live install on a CD/DVD or USB drive.

[bigpup]

If you are going to start talking about BookwormPup64.

Make a new topic so that is what the topic is about.

Help all of us.

Makes it so much easier to follow, one specific issue, in a topic.

[mikewalsh]

@INSPIRON_E1505_USER :-

Y'know, I'd completely "lost the plot" when I said earlier that the E1505 was similar to Mama's 15R from some years back. It wasn't...

This is the one that has the multimedia controls in a row along the front edge, isn't it? And supposedly, you can play multimedia files on it without even booting into the OS.....yes?

[Click to enlarge:-]

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I thought about this when I came across a video on Linus Tech Tips last night.....where they were messing about with one of the wackiest concept "multimedia" machines Dell has ever released onto the market; the XPS M2010 (with 21" screen, detachable keyboard, built-in full-sized Blueray disc player & even a remote control!) Take a gander at this, and prepare for a new level of insanity:-

Now, THAT'S what you call "crazy"....!! Imagine running Puppy on one of these....

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I do concur with m'colleague, though. Please don't start talking about different Puppies in the same thread.......not where you're asking for specific help. It gets "muddling", and confuses the hell out of everybody. This is one 'golden rule' common to ALL fora everywhere...

New subject.....new thread, please. We don't mind how many threads you start..!

Mike.

[INSPIRON_E1505_USER]

yes ill make a bookwormpup post