Puppy Linux Discussion Forum

hi all

we have solved the distrowatch process
we will email jesse at distrowatch who will walk us through

now it is time to decide what will be on the distrowatch page

rockedge has nominated voidpup

if there are no other nominations
i will go with that

input anyone

wanderer

I would get some info from peebee as to the status of Voidpup.

Is it completed and in the form of a final stable release?

hi bigpup

i will leave this thread open for a while
to see what everyone says
and then take it to the next step

right now im just seeing if everyone can agree on things

wanderer

ScPup to me seems more of a normal Puppy Linux build.
https://forum.puppylinux.com/viewforum.php?f=122

Again peebee needs to provide some info on what stage of development it is at.

It seems to be following the standard setup of a Puppy version and providing all the useful additional SFS files. (devx, kernel sources, 32bit compatibility for 64bit version)

ScPup (Slackware Current Pup) is more traditional but follows the evolving SC build status.

VoidPup is more unusual as it provides VPM in preference to PPM and does not include some larger apps OOTB.

Both are "released" and pretty stable but get occasional updates.

Neither fully conform to the official pup criteria.....

To be "official" a pup should meet these 4 requirements:
1) It must be built using Woof-CE and its build “recipe” should be on GitHub in woof-distro.
2) It must be endorsed as “official” by the Puppy Master.
All the “official” Puppies since version 2 are hosted at Ibiblio.org

hi peebee

thanks for posting
and for making such magnificent distros
as you know i am your diehard fan

my interest is in keeping puppy on distrowatch
and since no one else is working on this i will assume the mantle (pro tem)

i am not interested in the official puppy nonsense
any one of your creations are absolutely first class

the question i have for you
is which of your creations do you think would be best to put on distrowatch

the only requirement is that it is updated once a year

and i think it should have both a 32 and 64 bit version

i look forward to your assessment

and thanks again for all your great work

wanderer

peebee wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 6:10 am

ScPup (Slackware Current Pup) is more traditional but follows the evolving SC build status.

VoidPup is more unusual as it provides VPM in preference to PPM and does not include some larger apps OOTB.

Both are based on a rolling distro, and both have limited shelf life. If Void updates glibc and VoidPup version x still uses an old glibc package, the user must update VoidPup to the x+1 version that has the newer glibc package. Also, "stable" is a relative term - ScPup version x+1 can introduce a breaking change even if it's built using the same woof-CE tree as version x, because Slackware Current is a development branch that changes all the time, without any guarantee of stability.

Basically, both ScPup and VoidPup release what the upstream distro doesn't consider to be a stable release (similar to the Arch vs. Manjaro situation). Advertising that as a new Puppy Linux release can be problematic, especially some time after this announcement, when the conflicts against newer packages from the upstream distro start to appear.

hi dmkr

thanks for posting

what would you recommend

cant the gurus just maintain a version
with only essential updates

it is after all a puppy
does it have to follow another distros schedule with its updates

wanderer

What is probably needed is an S15Pup - i.e. based on 15.0 rather than Current........... but that is / has always been @01micko territory and there has been some steps towards this on GitHub.

hi peebee

i think you guys are just way too smart

i know as a user that i am only interested in my distro doing the job
if something needs updated
its firefox or some other basic application that has to be updated to work
i dont care if its the latest glibc
and if im using puppy (even if it has some components taken from slackware)
i dont care what slackware is doing

for example i use bionicpup 32
firefox updates itself
all the other apps i have no reason to update
in fact i like some of the older apps better
i am totally happy

i feel we should just choose a solid puppy distro
and update it on a puppy schedule

after all its a puppy

wanderer

please
debiandog
is the best...

What is the status of VanillaDpup?
I haven't looked at it for awhile.

It meets the criteria of being built with woof-CE, but as I recall, there is a mismatch of the PPM and APT package management?

If that mismatch is still the case, perhaps VanillaDpup could be built with just the PPM?
-- just a thought, to get something out quickly.

peebee wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 8:41 am

What is probably needed is an S15Pup - i.e. based on 15.0 rather than Current........... but that is / has always been @01micko territory and there has been some steps towards this on GitHub.

peebee,
You could do that!

Instead of using current, just change the repo to 15.0.

S15Pup sounds good to me. Could the idea be run past Mick?

BarryK wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 9:30 am

What is the status of VanillaDpup?
I haven't looked at it for awhile.

It meets the criteria of being built with woof-CE, but as I recall, there is a mismatch of the PPM and APT package management?

If that mismatch is still the case, perhaps VanillaDpup could be built with just the PPM?
-- just a thought, to get something out quickly.

@BarryK :-

That would slow it down like hell, Barry. Having tried VanillaDPup, I can attest to the fact that Synaptic really does work an awful lot faster & more accurately. At least, it does here...

Mike.

APT package management?
PPM?
Synaptic
VanillaDpup
S15Pup

Who remembers the history of Puppy well and can tell if there were attempts to do something with rpm packages? I've been dealing with MagOS a lot lately and dnfdragora (frontend for dnf) is used there. It is quite convenient and interesting.

I'll second (or 3rd) the nomination of VanillaDpup (despite my criticism that OOTB it lacks some tools I find essential --but I'm sure that any Puppy OOTB lacks something someone thinks essential. Adding those tools is now just a couple of click away). It's the most recent woof-built Puppy, light on resources, binary compatible with debian, both synaptic and PPM function as expected, and comes in both 32 and 64 bit flavors. And while it can be updated every week, you don't have to. In short, it's what you want in a Puppy: the flexibility to make of it whatever you want.

I only hope this recommendation doesn't go to dimkr's head. He's stubborn enough as it is.

My two cents worth: Much as I like VoidPup.as I do all of peebee's pups, I don't feel it should be considered. IMHO, a newbie would be lost when, and if, he finally found "pkgs.org/void", to attempt to dl.

Hello all.

Interesting discussion.

My thoughts:

The idea is to capture someone unfamiliar with Puppy to download a version and try it out via Distrowatch.

It would be helpful to make the Puppy offered as easy / user friendly / includes most everyday used apps and resource light as possible.

I feel that BionicPup32 and BionicPup64 fits the bill.

I entered the Puppy world as a newbe (and still am in many respects after about a year) trying out many versions and finally settled on BionicPup32.

It made me feel comfortable in using it.

You can tweak a lot to personalise it.

Feeling my way around unknown territory was not too hard using a bit of 'suck it and see'.

I know that this distro can be looked at as 'a bit long in the tooth' by some and not cutting edge.

However -

It is a good, sturdy and reliable OS.

Maintained on a regular basis by a dedicated enthusiast.

IMHO BIonicPup makes a very good entry level OS for someone wanting to get a feel of what we all enjoy.

If they stick with it and then want to 'experiment' with other versions then they will have had a very good base to start from.

Just my thoughts.

Best regards

Chelsea80

hi all

i agree with chelsea80

i think i will also put my vote in for bionic pup

it is very user friendly, full featured, rock solid , maintained and available now

i think i is a good candidate for distrowatch until the community comes up with the next evolution

remember we can and probably will change the representative distro on distrowatch over time

this will give us time to work out the roadmap

wanderer

hi all

so here is what i am seeing on this thread

the candidates are

1. voidpup 1 for and 1 against
2. s15pup - but it is not built yet
3. vanillaDpup - but dmkr put it on the waiting list at distrowatch would another (fork) need to be built
4. bionicpup 32 and 64 - 2 votes - already built - user friendly solid and maintained

the other question is who will decide
since the grand puppymaster himself has posted on this thread
i must defer to him

what shall we do barry

wanderer

wanderer wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 11:49 pm

hi all

so here is what i am seeing on this thread

the candidates are

1. voidpup 1 for and 1 against
2. s15pup - but it is not built yet
3. vanillaDpup - but dmkr put it on the waiting list at distrowatch would another (fork) need to be built
4. bionicpup 32 and 64 - 2 votes - already built - user friendly solid and maintained

the other question is who will decide
since the grand puppymaster himself has posted on this thread
i must defer to him

what shall we do barry

wanderer

I suppose we're not considering fossapup because it's frozen in time? Or maybe because it already was listed once?

no one has nominated it

but importantly

who made fossapup (i dont know, has he/she posted on this thread ?)

and why was it not updated for over 2 years

also

i feel that we should change the representative distro regularly
at whatever timeline is appropriate (hence the roadmap)
to show the variety in puppy world

wanderer

wanderer wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 11:49 pm

hi all

so here is what i am seeing on this thread

the candidates are

1. voidpup 1 for and 1 against
2. s15pup - but it is not built yet
3. vanillaDpup - but dmkr put it on the waiting list at distrowatch would another (fork) need to be built
4. bionicpup 32 and 64 - 2 votes - already built - user friendly solid and maintained

the other question is who will decide
since the grand puppymaster himself has posted on this thread
i must defer to him

what shall we do barry

wanderer

Aaaagh, don't ask me to choose!

I am the retired-puppymaster, and should not be coming back in and telling people what to do.
Historically, in other projects, there have been retired project leaders who have tried to come back; it doesn't go down so well.

So it is up to you guys.

I can only make some observations, put in some thoughts, not to be taken as orders. It would seem that VanillaDpup is the future, or rather a stepping stone to the Wayland-based pup that Dima has been developing.

I think, last time I looked, VanillaDpup only had netsurf web browser. A full-capable browser out-of-the-box might be better, such as firefox. Just a thought.

Oh, I just noticed your comment that VanillaDpup is already on the waiting list at Distrowatch.
Don't know what to do about that; Dima will have to decide what to do, if you go for VanillaDpup
as the next official pup release.

thank you barry

you are the grand puppymaster emeritus
thank you for creating puppyworld
and providing all this joy and utility to us and the entire linux world
now that you have given your blessing all is well with the world (puppy world)

so you have heard the word from the mountain folks
the puppy community will decide what is on the distrowatch page

and unfortunately for everyone
since no one else is doing it
i will have to decide and get things done

the distro with the most votes and that is ready now is bionic pup
if peebee does not object i am going to proceed to put it on the distrowatch page

i will leave this thread open for further discussion

but i am working on that now

i will send an email to jesse at distrowatch as soon as i submit this post

wanderer

remember

we need a roadmap as to what we will submit in the future

let us discuss this further on this thread

wanderer

wanderer wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 1:26 am

the distro with the most votes and that is ready now is bionic pup

Whatever... but am I the only one wondering how the state of the art current Puppy being notified to Distrowatch is Bionic, which was released by upstream Ubuntu in 2018?

i know wiak

but we have to have a temporary fix to keep the page up

this will give us a year to decide on or make the next candidate

do you have any suggestions

wanderer

I nominate Custard Puppy 101. To be honest we have so many flavours now, it will be difficult to put a specific one up there as alpha Puppy. If you ask me, probably Fossa 64-bit (which is also growing beard) although I don't use it myself. Fossa 64 also has its applications in a seperate adrv I believe which may be looked upon as a "unique" and "interesting" feature for visitors to the page. Could always give a useful link to the other flavours as well on the distrowatch page.

well

the community has to nominate and vote for it

and the developer has to present, maintain and update it

hello ... anyone want to do that ?

wanderer