Lightest sfs ?

[sucuklu yumurta]

Is there a version that has no apps in it, lean, just the basic tools and drivers to make it work
zdrv I think is the file with the driver modules, I mean the other sfs which are bigger than the zdrv file.

[Jasper]

I do not know which build of Puppy OS you intend to use but here is an example from Fossapup64-95

Simply delete/move the adrv_fossapup64_9.5.sfs

This file has the inbuilt applications kindly provided by the developer.

Oops I guess you would move the SAVE file as well.

[sucuklu yumurta]

Thanks
it doesn't matter the version, it can be the sfs file of a version that can run at least Firefox 78, so I was wondering if there is a simple version with only drivers and no applications.

[mikeslr]

Ditto what jasper wrote. Removing applications from the base/core SFS is a waste of time and effort*. See, https://www.forum.puppylinux.com/viewto ... 4070#p4070. What it shows is that after spending hours to remove unwanted applications the result was that I had all of 7 Mbs more available RAM. Opening just one additional Web-browser tab more than wiped out all the work.

If there are applications you don't need/use, open Menu>Setup>Menu Manager and toggle their display OFF (red). If you don't have Menu Manager, its PupMenu is available here, https://www.smokey01.com/radky/PupMates.html. And turning Menu-displays off can be done manually. If there are many, open a text file and type 'NoDisplay=true' without the quotes. Then file-browse to /usr/share/applications and open the 'unwanted' applications in a text-editor and copy 'NoDisplay=true' into each.

The only other objective being to 'conserve RAM', that can better be accomplished by (a) using a SaveFile/Folder to only hold customizations and setting: exclude documents and especially Web-Cache; (b) use external AppImages and Portables: only the files necessary to create menu entries use RAM when they are not in use; and (c) prefer SFSes to installed pets: SFSes are external and even the links to them can be Unloaded when they are not in use.

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* And if you're unwilling to waste that time and effort, why would you think anyone else would?

[sucuklu yumurta]

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I can delete it if you want

[mikewalsh]

@sucuklu yumurta :-

Ah. You're thinking of what, in years past, we used to call a "bare-bones" Puppy. Many years back, when the old forum was in full swing and we had a lot more amateur developers in the community, several of these got put together.....these were the days of the type of hardware for which Puppy was originally conceived & built; low-power CPUs, modest amounts of early-gen RAM, small hard drives, etc, etc.

Alas, these are seemingly not a priority for anyone nowadays. Probably due to the explosion of cheap hardware over the last decade or so, and the ensuing fact that powerful machines are no longer that expensive.....especially since reasonably-priced, good-quality "refurbs" are so plentiful AND easily available.

Mike.

[sucuklu yumurta]

If I bought this, I would come back to this forum and ask the same question.
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Regards

[williwaw]

you could at some of the vanilla offerings which are quite minimal
there are 2 dog projects that allow you to build minimal installs

[sucuklu yumurta]

you could at some of the vanilla offerings which are quite minimal
there are 2 dog projects that allow you to build minimal installs

which one is
viewtopic.php?t=7656

[williwaw]

which one is :?:
viewtopic.php?t=7656

dunno
things change there, best asked in the vanilla subforum

[d-pupp]

the official release is 9.3.xx
The ios is kinda big at about 800 mb but you can cut it down
docx is Documents 29 m
nlsx is Language pacs 169 m
kbulid is Out of tree driv 14 m

IF you don't use nlsx Firefox won't show fonts for other languages just little squares

10.xx is in beta. It is very stable and dimkr says it's almost ready
11.xx is early development

[dimkr]

There are many packages you can take out, but you must draw the line in the sand.

If you take out VA API drivers, YouTube will eat your battery and make your computer hotter.

If you take out Firefox, you'll need to install a bigger and heavier browser. Firefox in Vanilla Dpup is preconfigured for low resource usage, and you lose this configuration when you install Firefox yourself, or switch to another browser.

If you take out fonts, websites become unreadable or ugly.

If you take out development packages and the kbuild SFS, you can't install out-of-tree drivers. Many computers need at least one of those.

If you drop fdrv or replace it with a smaller one, some of your hardware might not work, or work unreliably.

(And let's not forget, Vanilla Dpup's RAM consumption is lower than the average among other Puppy releases of its generation, despite the bighuge size. If you use pfix=nocopy or your computer doesn't have enough RAM, the unmodified dpup will still run better than most if not all alternatives)

[amethyst]

There are many packages you can take out, but you must draw the line in the sand.

If you take out VA API drivers, YouTube will eat your battery and make your computer hotter.

If you take out Firefox, you'll need to install a bigger and heavier browser. Firefox in Vanilla Dpup is preconfigured for low resource usage, and you lose this configuration when you install Firefox yourself, or switch to another browser.

If you take out fonts, websites become unreadable or ugly.

If you take out development packages and the kbuild SFS, you can't install out-of-tree drivers. Many computers need at least one of those.

If you drop fdrv or replace it with a smaller one, some of your hardware might not work, or work unreliably.

And let's not forget, Vanilla Dpup's RAM consumption is lower than the average among other Puppy releases of its generation, despite the bighuge size. If you use pfix=nocopy or your computer doesn't have enough RAM, the unmodified dpup will still run better than most if not all alternatives)

Care to share this configuration of Firefox? Any tests done providing prove that Vanilla uses less memory than other Puppys (RAM usage to get to desktop doesn't really say much to me)? Quite frankly, I'm sceptical about assumptions like this.

[dimkr]

Care to share this configuration of Firefox?

https://github.com/puppylinux-woof-CE/w ... XUPHACK#L6

Try it and see for yourself.

[amethyst]

Care to share this configuration of Firefox?

https://github.com/puppylinux-woof-CE/w ... XUPHACK#L6

Try it and see for yourself.

I run Firefox from extracted tarball folder on my partition. I see in the script mention of Firefox files somewhere in' /usr/lib which I don't have. My firefox folder looks like the attached image.

[dimkr]

You'll need to read the Firefox documentation to find the right place to put the configuration files.

[amethyst]

Don't have time going on a wild goose chase with the Firefox stuff. Firefox works well for me as I have it at the moment with user agent switcher (I run mostly as Android Tablet agent), etc.

[sucuklu yumurta]

Hi,

This topic may require a new thread called "Step-by-step Firefox configuration"

https://ibb.co/Hn0HYMK

Example:
* In 104 Debian-based content edited by MX
opt/firefox/browser/defaults/prefences/distribution.js

* No similar .js file in Ubuntu-based Firefox 104

If I want to repackage any Ubuntu-based Firefox version with config and extentison for nopupsave-ram only mode (my favorite mode), how should I do it?
How should I organize the config file, what should I pay attention to and in which folder should it be?
In which folder should the plugins that will run on every startup be and what else should I pay attention to regarding configuration?

Regard

[Geek3579]

Is there a version that has no apps in it, lean, just the basic tools and drivers to make it work
zdrv I think is the file with the driver modules, I mean the other sfs which are bigger than the zdrv file.

Not sure if you only want a very light puppy. If so I suggest you look at a very small Debian Dog Bullseye starter ISO, weighing in at - 294 MB .

Its blisteringly fast in QEMU and can be customised to suit. See viewtopic.php?t=644
DNLoad from: https://www.mediafire.com/file/x1w6sb93 ... 8.iso/file

Extract and copy just the LIVE folder into a suitably named folder (eg DebianDog_Bullseye64 in this case) for a frugal installation

A typical grub menu would be:
menuentry "DebianDog_Bullseye64" {
insmod ext2
search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set <UUID> # put your own UUID value in here without the < >
linux /DebianDog_Bullseye64/live/vmlinuz1 noauto from=/DPup_Bullseye64 changes=EXIT:/DebianDog_Bullseye64/
initrd /DebianDog_Bullseye64/live/initrd1.xz
}

[ozsouth]

@sucuklu yumurta - I made a quite usable fossa64-low of 244 mb (Ver4 - in Remasters section of Forum). I then decided to really strip it out & made a 160mb version with next-to-nothing (fossa64-micro), then added .pets to build that to about the stage of Ver2, about 220mb. I'm posting from that now. The biggest item is current Palemoon .pet at 38mb, but unless you don't want to browse the web, you need it, or at least the outdated 'light browser' at 25mb, but most other browsers are much bigger. So it's possible to have a 200mb system with 'micro' plus Palemoon, if you only want to browse the web with some safety. I may post fossa64-micro after some more testing. At 160mb, it can (via filemanager) play .wav , .au & display .jpg , .png , .txt , .pdf . Htm/html display is basic via dillo - can't really read this forum. Use at own risk.

[sucuklu yumurta]

@sucuklu yumurta - I made a quite usable fossa64-low of 244 mb (Ver4 - in Remasters section of Forum). I then decided to really strip it out & made a 160mb version with next-to-nothing (fossa64-micro), then added .pets to build that to about the stage of Ver2, about 220mb. I'm posting from that now. The biggest item is current Palemoon .pet at 38mb, but unless you don't want to browse the web, you need it, or at least the outdated 'light browser' at 25mb, but most other browsers are much bigger. So it's possible to have a 198mb system with 'micro' plus Palemoon, if you only want to browse the web with some safety. I may post fossa64-micro after some more testing.

Send it to me, buddy. I'll take care of it.

[ozsouth]

@sucuklu yumurta - check your pm. I've edited my previous post with a little more info on 'micro'.

[ozsouth]

@sucuklu yumurta - bug found - check your pm for bugfix.

[sucuklu yumurta]

@sucuklu yumurta - bug found - check your pm for bugfix.

Hello, I took your valuable time and installed the version you edited, saw 480p with Pale Moon, a great success for a 15 year old pc, I installed mpv later, there was a picture, there was no sound, it is largely compatible with focal repositories, but I installed 1-2 applications, it did not work fully, the best part was that there were 20 applications running in the background, very simple, it consumed 132 mb. I got used to BookwormPup regards

[Tippe]

By 32GB of RAM there's just no need to have lightest sfs's or to remove anything from anything.

[Eastler_Dart]

my experiences:
I use Puppies long time. The first booted from CD
When I put that on my Harddisk, I take the bootparameter
as they were for CD-Boot.

the 4.12puppy was very quiiickkkk

but what I don't had recognized: the whole sfs-file
was copied to RAM.

So check what gets written at bootup
If there is written something like "mount main sfs ..." all is good
if there is written something like "copy main sfs...."
then you should change the bootparameter (in grub?)
add 'nocopy' to it.
But with nocopy the source with the SFS has to stay in the system.
If you boot from CD/DVD.... the Dvd-drive don't gets free for other uses.

with 'nocopy' the system only need ram for the running programms,
means, if you have a main.sfs with 800MB and you only start Geany,
you need RAM for geany and not for the 800MB of the main.SFS

Hope it helps

[dancytron]

you could at some of the vanilla offerings which are quite minimal
there are 2 dog projects that allow you to build minimal installs

which one is
viewtopic.php?t=7656

He was probably referring to the Debian Dog Starter Kit, viewtopic.php?t=644 the latest version of which is based on Devuan Daedalus. It's really minimal, careful what you wish for.