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Hello

I have recently installed puppy linux as a full install with no swap, details in my signature. I used the puppy package manager to install Luakit browser. When trying to open it by either Menu>Internet or from Run it does not open.

I ran Menu > Setup > Check dependencies of installed pkg and got the below screenshot outcome. It appears there are missing file systems.

New to Puppy and not the most competent when it comes to dependencies ect, and suspect it might be because I have gone the full install route, so wanted to ask for some help please.....

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Btw tried installing as frugal and found the system less responsive and slower than the full install solution.

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Puppy Package Manager is telling you that luakit is missing the default-dbus-session-bus lua5.1-filesystem. I first searched pkgs.org as it provides a consolidate search platform for most major distros. That lead me here, https://ubuntu.pkgs.org/18.04/ubuntu-un ... 4.deb.html. Usually there will be a link to download a package. [Had there been one it is likely Puppy Package Manager would have known about it and could download it]. But there was none. So I followed the url to the home page, https://lunarmodules.github.io/luafilesystem/ which advises:
LuaFileSystem can be installed using LuaRocks:
$ luarocks install luafilesystem

LuaRock is available via Puppy Package Manager.

Before you get deep into the weeds, let me urge you to reconsider you decision to run as a 'Full Install". Puppys are designed to run as Frugal. The 'technique' to run as 'Full' was developed 15 years ago when most computers were single processor and sold with less than 512 Mbs of RAM. It enabled the booting time to be reduced by a couple of seconds. It has not been worked on since. It exposes your system to all the malware since developed. [Puppys first line of defense is that it boots from READ-ONLY (uncorruptible) file-systems as a 'Frugal']. The first and every time you install or delete something into a 'Full Install" which breaks it, you'll have to 'start from scratch'. They are almost impossible to repair.

2Gbs should suffice for bionicpup64 under most circumstances. Adding the boot argument "no copy" will enable it to use the least amount of RAM for holding system files. But your most likely problem is web-browsers. How are you running them? Adding a swapfile can also help during web work. [Open a terminal and type 'pupswap' without the quotes]. But I suggest you switch to any of those offered as portables, https://www.forum.puppylinux.com/viewforum.php?f=90. Websites without your permission download files to cache on your computer so that when you view a web-page again they don't have to download it again. Unless you are using a portable or have manually employed a technique to have cache stored elsewhere, it gets stored in RAM. Graphic-rich websites can quickly consume 100s of Mbs of your RAM. Portable Web-browsers automatically locate the storing of web-cache in their own folders, which most people just place on their hard-drive: ala Windows portables.

You are even better off running Xenialpup64 than running Bionicpup64 as a 'Full'. Xenialpup64 is still able to do what Bionicpup64 can, but uses lighter weight applications. Only when Xenialpup64's glibc libraries become too old to support modern web-browsers would there be a problem. Tahrpup64, first published in 2015, only incurred that problem this year.

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Sounds like very wise advise Mikesir. I will look at reinstalling as frugal and see how it goes with more swap. Can you advise on how much swap I should configure? I seem to remember the first option was 64mb but not sure if that would be enough.
If all goes well then I can look at LuaRocks to get things going. Will update the post if works out.
Many thanks again for your advice.

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As already mentioned, the Puppy operating system is compressed in a read-only archival format with a frugal install. Most of the newer Puppys are compressed in xz archival format by default. For the best speed performance, the fastest available decompression format for your specific Puppy is recommended. Gzip is a good alternative and is much faster than xz compression/decompression. I've recompressed all my Puppy systems with gzip for better/faster performance and it does make a notable difference.

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Thank you very much. Would you be able to outline how to do that. I am aware of the basic gzip commands but to make it do so on an archival format sounds like it requires some deeper knowledge & commands :?:

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Tipi wrote: Thu Sep 29, 2022 3:49 pm

Thank you very much. Would you be able to outline how to do that. I am aware of the basic gzip commands but to make it do so on an archival format sounds like it requires some deeper knowledge & commands :?:

You can use this tool of mine to recompress your files: viewtopic.php?p=54846#p54846. Right-click the file and choose the editing tool from the right-click menu. Select one of the gzip options. Rename the resulting new sfs to what it is supposed to be.

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Try using the Puppy Package Manager search facility, search for the package named lua-filesystem and install it. I did a quick test in FossaPup64 because I don't have my Bionic64 to hand, but it was sort of working. I am not really sure how to navigate with it or what the appeal of it is though.

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Many thanks OscarTalks
I will give it a try. I guess I am used to the speed and utility of the browser. I think when you get used to the vim'ness it is a quick and efficient way to navigate the internet. I have migrated from Peppermint and found it the best browser for my low end CPU (Intel Atom) when using that OS, mind you since using Puppy Linux I am very impressed with Opera, certainly the best I have experienced in the last decade on my Acer One.
Thanks again for your help.
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amethyst wrote: Thu Sep 29, 2022 6:18 pm
Tipi wrote: Thu Sep 29, 2022 3:49 pm

Thank you very much. Would you be able to outline how to do that. I am aware of the basic gzip commands but to make it do so on an archival format sounds like it requires some deeper knowledge & commands :?:

You can use this tool of mine to recompress your files: viewtopic.php?p=54846#p54846. Right-click the file and choose the editing tool from the right-click menu. Select one of the gzip options. Rename the resulting new sfs to what it is supposed to be.

Great many thanks

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The 'Rule of thumb' for swap is 2 x RAM. But even after reading the only post I've ever found explaining 'why' I'm still not sure about its logic which concluded that more than that won't be used. But you can't go wrong following it. When pupswap's GUI opens, press the down arrow to option choices other than 64 Mb.

Try vivaldi-portable, https://www.forum.puppylinux.com/viewto ... 3491#p3491 and Slimjet-portable, https://www.forum.puppylinux.com/viewto ... 582#p33582. Posts on this Forum have indicated that both are fast and responsive. My experience with Vivaldi is that it is slightly slow to open but thereafter is fast in operation. Perhaps the initial slowness is the result of a bunch of extensions I've added -- it may be checking versions. If I close it, it opens the 2nd time almost instantly.
Others have recommended Brave-portable, https://www.forum.puppylinux.com/viewto ... 662#p59662. I think Vivaldi is faster.

From experimentation, the web-browser which uses the least RAM is seamonkey. You can get the portable here, https://www.forum.puppylinux.com/viewto ... 289#p12289. But my exploration only went as far as seeing how much RAM the needed to open. Another 'Rule of Thumb' is that each web-page you have opened will consume about 100 Mbs of RAM. So I now opt for general responsiveness over minimal RAM use on opening.

One good thing about portables is that they are self-contained. If you don't like them, Right-Click their folder, select Delete and they're gone.

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Many thanks again for your excellent advice Mikesir.

Before reinstalling puppy as Frugal I just wanted to feedback on getting Luakit working under my current set-up.

After installing both LuaRock & lua-filesystem via the puppy package manager Luakit is now working

I am very grateful to all for their help and advice. Frugal install advantages, Swap and browser recommendations. Onwards!

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