AI is not coming, "THEY'RE HERE!"

[bigpup]

How can you tell us apart?

I am the good looking one in the middle left

[Wiz57]

I'm the old, rusty one down on the end..."OOOIIILLL CCCAAANNN...OOOIIILLL CCCAAANNN!" (Apologies to "The Wizard of Oz")

[bigpup]

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[bigpup]

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[bigpup]

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[Wiz57]

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Sort of how I feel somedays!

[williwaw]

I agree with you Clarity. The underlying problem is quite simple, really: greed.

Until some later date when the figureheads expressing the "opposite side" of the dialectic are allowed back at the helm, and the reaction is reversed. All the while moving the same direction, total central control through technocracy.

If thats the direction, then I might as well choose pepsi.

[geo_c]

Our future, from my point of view, is one of dispair...

...The US's exposure is a re-enforced determination that greed (aka capitalism wearing a cloak of Democracy) will be the only way forward. Greed is the way forward for their leader and Fascism it their implementation via their War machine.

Remembering what Hiltler did to Stalin, I dont believe Putin will fall into the Stalin trust trap set by Hitler (aka the current us president echo'ing the same behavior as Hitler).

I am old. Watching this trajectory has shaken my faith in mankind where it continues to teach this greed when a particular country becomes too militarily powerful over its neighbors.

Your angst has motivated me to compose a brief history of the -isms of the 20th and 21st century. I was educated soundly in an American public High School and some state college level history, so I believe I have sourced credible information in this synopsis. No misinformation here. Hopefully it will bring the clarity needed to hope in the future of mankind. It is squarely on topic as can be seen in the last paragraph. But please enjoy the entire piece.

THE GREAT ISM WAR
A Brief History of the Modern, Post-Modern, and Post-Truth ISM Wars of the 20th-21st Century,
as Taught Through Mainstream Education and Media, retold through an American Lens
-geo_c
credentials: Professional Musician, old school hipster and such

By the end of the Nineteenth Century political theories had evolved and matured. The American experiment firmly established an economic strength allowing its citizens a certain opportunity of upward mobility. Capitalism (the term adopted to define the economic mechanism of the representative republic) though appearing successful on many levels suffered many social shortcomings, which varied according to what lens they were critiqued. Marxist theory, also known as Communism, being perhaps the foremost critic of Capitalism asserted that workers could control the "means of production" when the structures that allowed Capitalism to flourish were redefined, eliminated, and a new more equitable organization of resources were established through revolution, including the revolution of economic, philosophic, theosophic, and sociologic paradigms.

Shortly before World War I a major development in American Capitalism occured when it was decided through a consortium of financial interests that Capitalism was better manageed in the hands of a private monopoly of banks immune from the risky meddling of representative government. The banker consortium successfully wrote and passed the Federal Reserve Act, where the money supply could be tightly managed by private controllers of capital. This was seen as the crowning achievment of Capitalism in eliminating the ever looming threat of the "Boom and Bust" cycle inherent in the Capitalist system. The enlightened governments of Europe had created their own central banks decades, perhaps centuries previously, and it had been tried in the United States twice unsuccessfuly. But fortunately for the future of mankind, common sense prevailed, and the money supply was entrusted to private financial entities. The fact that issuing currency through the Federal Reserve incurred debt on the U.S. Government was hailed as a further stabilization mechanism in the volatile systems of Capitalism. The soon to follow Federal Income Tax insured that this financial stability would prevail.

The timing of the move proved to be an enormous stroke of good luck, as shortly after the establishment of the Federal Reserve, WWI soon broke out in Europe, and the creation of new capital to fund the war was more easily accessible through the central bank system.

Post WWI, the bankers along with their supportive foundations and think-tanks began to take a somewhat surprising turn, when their thinking became increasingly aligned with what could be described as Socialism, which had formerly been ascribed as an intermediate necessity in a revolution to establish Communism. Vowing never to allow an atrocity such as World War I to ever occur again, they formed the League of Nations, an international mechanism of governance, indicating that though they had once been disciples of Capitalism, even known as "robber barons" in past decades, they had realized the error of their ways and now adopted the good of global society as their sole purpose.

In Europe however, the years following WWI contributed to the establishment of new and ever powerful ISMS. Fascism gradually gained control in Germany and Italy, Communism began to take root in China, and though self-described as stridently Socialist in its ideology, Fascism was discovered to be at it's core nothing more than nationalistic, genocidal corporatism masquerading as Socialism. Meanwhile the chaos following WWI allowed for the successful revolution of Communism to establish itself in Russia, which provided the opportunity for the theories of Marx to be fully realized and tested. Unfortunately for Russia, the leaders of the Revolution, through a combination of inept policy, extenuating existential circumstances, and general paranoia about perceived enemies within, presided over the deaths of millions of their citizens and the brutal imprisonment and torture of their detractors. This failure was explained as the main obstacle to tranforming Russia's intermediate one-party Socialism to one of worker controlled Communism.

As the formation and establishment of these powerful ISMS played out across Europe, Russia, and Asia, the altruistic League of Nations proved to be a casualty in the ISM conflict, ever growing weaker as a governing mechanism. Compounding issues for the altruistic goals of Capitalism, Communsim, Socialism, and Central Bankism, the American financial sector, through a series of inept policies concerning short term liquidity, found they had no alternative but to call in short term notes in 1929, which resulted in crashing the stock market and plunging the world into a severe economic depression, a climate which created an atmoshphere of legitmacy to the Fascism now rising in Europe.

As Fascism strengthened in Europe after the stock market crash of 1929, the various dialectically opposed ISMS would eventually come to the disastrous clash known as World War II, involving a variety of prominent ISMS, Communism, Socialism, Democratic Socialism, National Socialism, Imperialism, Fascism, Capitalism, and Zionism. In some sectors Capitalism allied with One-Party Socialism, Imperialism allied with Communism, Imperialism fought Socialism, Capitalism fought Imperialism, National Socialism allied with Zionism, Fascism allied with Imperialism. All forms of ISMS being in conflict with each other and all forms being also allied with one another throughout the various theatres.

Fortunately for the future of the world, a newer and highly pragmatic ISM was growing roots in the Central Banking Community's foundations and think tanks, namely the cause of Transhumanism, which in the mid twentieth century was spearheaded by a group known as the Technocrats. Elon Musk's maternal grandfather, Joshua N. Haldeman, was an early Technocrat as the head and lead researcher of the Regina Division of Technochracy Incorporated for instance. It was in this mid-twentieth century period that the Technochrats explored the idea of Universal Basic Income, an idea seemingly in stark contrast to Capitalism but perhaps not at odds with Communism, Fascism, or Socialism, the formers being strikingly similar in structure, but considerably unique enough to still consider each other as "enemies."

Post World War II it became necessary to revisit the original concept of the League of Nations, and so the United Nations was formed in the aftermath of the WWII. The UN utilized a sharper focus on the plethora of ISMS now available on the world stage. They drew from the Theosophism, Transhumanism, Communism, Capitalism, Socialism, Zionism and synthesized the most altruistic aspects of all ISMS for the advancement of the human species.

Also in the aftermath of WWII, China adopted Communism in an effort to liberate its people from Imperialism and Republicanism. As was expected the new Chinese government operated as a one-party regime of Socialism until full control of the means of production would one day be bestowed to its citizens. But despite its best intentions, the aspirations of Asian Communism would be met with opposition by Capitalism and prolonged states of war soon played out in East Asia over the course of the 1950s and 1960s. The bankers of Capitalism simultaneously and somewhat surpisingly took a keen interest in developing the Socialism of Asia, and as the military conflicts drew to a close, in the early 1970s normalization of relations with China opened the doors of Capitalist investment in the country.

It was during this post war period that Fascism, having been disgraced at the end of WWII, experienced an apparent period of relative inactivity. It must be noted that throughout the early to mid twentieth century, a new and more threatening ISM appeared, namely Populism, harder to define, and apparently eminating from grass roots populations. Populism would spring up as an irrational reaction to the perceived oppressions or injustices faced by various populations, though ususally ascribed to those populations of the West. Populism proved far more threatening than any other ISM,. Being espoused by ignorant peons at the bottom of the social structure by definition, Populism could easily be hi-jacked by Fascism, which The Encyclopedia Britannica describes as "a notoriously difficult ISM to define." Populism therefore worked like a gateway to Fascism, which as a working definition can be summarized by most scholars as "The thing you should NOT under any circumstances believe or even look into."

As investment in China blurred the lines between Socialism and Capitalism in the East, an ancient and bitter conflict began to occupy the attention of the world, that conflict being the struggle between Islamism and Zionism, not to minimize the struggle between Islamisism and Capitalism, or Islamisism and Socialism, or Islamisism and Imperialism, or Islamisism and Fascism, or Islamisim and Transhumanism, or Islamisism and Catholisism, or Islamism and Communism. Yet the for the conflicts between Islamisism and the other competing ISMS, the Islamisism-Zionism struggle remained a flashpoint.

Despite this deep world wide Islamisism struggle, Capitalism, Socialism, and Communism have maintained a good relationship with Islamisism where oil and other resources were a factor. Unfortunately, whatever mutual interests were shared, military operations by Socialism and Capitalism against Islamism remain rampant since the early 1980's until present.

As Russian Socialism languished, the nation opened its economy to the altruistic Capitalism of Western investment, thereby transforming its social structure and allowing for Fascism to take hold in the form of Vladimir Putin. Putin managed to ride the waves of Russian Populism to the present state of Fascism now threatening the Capitalism and Socialism of Europe and the U.S.

Technology changed the Post-Truth era ISM trajectory considerably.

As the ISMS aligned themselves throughout the 75 year period following WWII, the Technocrats of Transhumanism perfected the technology of ISM manipulation. The advent of social media and digital information systems, coupled with increasingly powerful artificial intelligence has allowed Transhumanism to not only monitor all ISMS currently active on the planet, but also allows for the creation of new ISMS and the realignment of any ISM with any other ISM, even seemingly diametrically opposed ISMS. Mechanisms of social influence such as the WEF, once aligned with the Socialism of Europe, supporting the Transhumanism of Technocrats like Elon Musk and Peter Thiel, are now able to seemlessly place those stalwarts of "stakeholder capitalism" in the realms of Populism and Fascism, as is evidenced by the Populism of the current U.S. administration and the Technocrats participation in it. It would be easy to mistake the channels of support that those like Thiel and Musk have received from the Capitalist and Socialist bankers and their supporting think tanks, bureaucracies, and security state apparati, as indicating a complicit relationship with the corporate-oligarchy driven technocratic Fascism of the Thiels and Musks of the world. The altuistic bankers behind Socialism and Capitalism are categorically mortal enemies with the Technocrats of Fascist Transhumanism. Any appearance that they are systemically integrated would be a gross misread of history as should be easily discerned by the literature available at DARPA and In-Q-Tel.

Once Populism and Fascism are removed from the halls of government, Transhumanism, guided by the steady and tested hands of Capitalism and Socialism will transform the human race to the glorious state envisioned by the highest ideals of all modern ISMS.

[Clarity]

Thanks @geo_c

A nice analogy of the various ideologies of our times. This is exactly similar to explanation of the opposing discussions of Socrates and Plato.

BUT, having had and written about World History of my past, my most interesting assignment was the peoples leading to WWII Germany. There stories educated me to how a population can be manipulated in what we are seeing in Today's USA. For many of us, we saw the German people following along as a bit strange in our educational upbringings; yet feeling that WE were advanced enough to think that we would NEVER be swayed by the efforts we learned from Nazism. BUT, look around in your native country as it is setting the world standard that other leaders are already practicing OR will be practicing to follow. One other aspect of my writings discussed how USA was in support of Fascism before the attack on Pearl Harbor which change the trajectory of US's interest. The most damning of my research was the Nazi rallies in the US centering around RACE as the foundation of hatreds in its effort to PUSH White Nationalism over the rest of the world.

Your article is clear and centers around a power struggle of the varied "isms" in a somewhat complicated tug of war.

We have been taught 'survival of the fit-est'. This is, at its very essence all of this is foundational in the US constitution which supports greed in its Bill of Rights as to WHO are to be considered Human vs who is NOT. Essentially it comes around to greed. "In order for me to survive, I must take your wealth from you; one way or another to MY advantage" (aka Capitalism).

So I have researched and have come around to clearly understand this equation that we are in is not complicated. Its merely, foundationally, greed for those who want ALL the power to force manipulations. Greed is the foundation from which Capitalism exist.

Today, I dont see a pathway out and am continuing to wonder how we progressed to this illogical state. Rather, I am not wondering, but am witnessing this back sliding that we are seeing as WE cannot release ourselves from hatreds of those we are taught as undeserving as that will allow us unparalleled greed!

Just like the peoples of pre-WWII Germany and pre-WWII USA, the US citizenry is willing to sacrifice everything if the undeserving is removed...no matter the ensuing hardships. The Nationalists 'hope' that, no matter what the costs, coming out 'on the other side', their denigration of the 'unworthy' will support achieving their envisioned GREED!

Again, this is a VERY simplistic explanation of my observations and my experiences in my lifetime.

Edit: I really should not be exposing this on this forum, but, I have. I now am in regret in doing so.

[williwaw]

This is, at its very essence all of this is foundational in the US constitution which supports greed in its Bill of Rights as to WHO are to be considered Human vs who is NOT.

a very odd interpretation of the rights protecting people from whatever isms du jour are being served up by those in office

[geo_c]

A nice analogy of the various ideologies of our times. This is exactly similar to explanation of the opposing discussions of Socrates and Plato...
Your article is clear and centers around a power struggle of the varied "isms" in a somewhat complicated tug of war....

Thanks for the thoughtful reply, but hopefully you were able to catch the humor, the IRONY of this world view. The piece I wrote is a satire of the conventional take on modern history.

We have been taught 'survival of the fit-est'. This is, at its very essence all of this is foundational in the US constitution which supports greed in its Bill of Rights as to WHO are to be considered Human vs who is NOT. Essentially it comes around to greed. "In order for me to survive, I must take your wealth from you; one way or another to MY advantage" (aka Capitalism)....

There's the irony, the thought that the word Capitalism describes anything significant really. Or Communism, or Socialism, or Fascism. The American experiment which failed, was centered around founding documents that addressed governance, the idea that spreading around this power to make laws and regulate citizens would limit the ability of government to become intrusive, as in a Monarchy, Imperialism, Socialism, and all the other bogus isms that in the end lead to one thing and one thing only, CENTRAL CONTROL.

Which is why the super "Capitalisits" promote world "Socialism," the two are not mutually exclusive in ANY manner.

To sum up, this conventional take on modern world history is a dialectic. So yes, people are going to swing from one ism to another, and never will they escape the theft of corrupt autocrats with a bloodthirst for power, no matter what label you give them. And my piece attempts to illustrate that at this stage of the game, the power brokers are capable of swinging from one end of the dialectic to the other with ease through their fully developed informations tools, of which AI is a major player.

So I have researched and have come around to clearly understand this equation that we are in is not complicated. Its merely, foundationally, greed for those who want ALL the power to force manipulations. Greed is the foundation from which Capitalism exist.

Greed you say, sure, but lust for power is what you're actually talking about. There's no utopia where human lust for power doesn't exist. But this is a theological point in the end. It goes to human nature, where it originates, where it's destined, and thosse are the deeper questions.

Governance is nothing more than a band-aid on a gaping wound of human spirituality.

Today, I dont see a pathway out and am continuing to wonder how we progressed to this illogical state. Rather, I am not wondering, but am witnessing this back sliding that we are seeing as WE cannot release ourselves from hatreds of those we are taught as undeserving as that will allow us unparalleled greed!

Precisely, if searching for a solution to the spiritual problem of humanity through governance, then a sense of true hope is difficult to grasp. Which is also why the American founders explicity expressed the idea that their experiment would categorically fail if the citizens did not maintain a certain moral integrity. They were 100% correct in that assessment.

edit: try reading The Great ISM War again with the idea that every single sentence is dripping with sarcasm, and perhaps you will be able to laugh at the absurdity of it all. Humor is the best medicine, a gift from God, especially if one can laugh at themselves.

[bigpup]

What does all of this have to do with AI?

[greengeek]

What does all of this have to do with AI?

Potentially "AI" can become one of the greatest tools for those who seek to exert power over other people.
Sort of like "Digital Dynamite" - something useful for the good of mankind - that can instead be used to create misery.
As a result of inherent human tendencies.

[geo_c]

What does all of this have to do with AI?

Within the details of that fine work of mine, The Great ISM War, are described the origins of the technate and Elon Musk's family roots in Technocracy Incorporated (a company that really existed.)

Of course AI is integral to the establishment of the Technate.

If you haven't heard of a Technate, it's worth checking into.

I'm responding to Clarity's desponsdence over the fact that now "Fascism" has taken control of the levers of AI, etc. And what my admittedly artistic piece attempts to illustrate is that in fact all of the ISMS are behind the technate, and yes they appear to fight and struggle against one another, and there is atrocious death and human suffering as a result, but...

the takeaway is that once the "acceptable-to-Clarity"-ISM is in power once again, whatever that ISM might be, it's not gonna halt the emergence of the technate,, because when his preferred ISM once was in power, it created the Tech Bros and handed them the technology. The Tech Bros made their shift into a forbidden ISM rather seemlessly, because they have the power of AI driven media/population manipulation on their team.

And yes, the "dark enlightenment" has been around since the early twentieth century, funded by usual foundations and think tanks. It's "sudden appearance" is no surprise to any of the ISM's now in various governments.

It's been this way for a long time, but somehow people get caught up in the shifting sands of the ISM War.

Since Clarity is the OP, I felt it appropriate to address his despondence.

[bigpup]

So Skynet is soon to be a real thing?

[geo_c]

So Skynet is soon to be a real thing?

Of course, I wouldn't presume it not to be.

https://www.sciencealert.com/nsa-leak-c ... s-for-real
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/skynet-real_n_7042808

Seriously though, this was Musk's main objective in Ukraine, the development of Skynet capabilities.

[williwaw]

So the plan for Greenland and the rest of North America was hatched by Canadians in the 40's?

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Of course, I wouldn't presume it not to be.

Didn't the POTUS before Trump pioneer the use of drones to kill US citizens and others by utilizing NSA "Skynet" cell phone data? https://archive.ph/AbH0G

[pp4mnklinux]

Artificial Intelligence is no longer a distant concept from the future—it is here, surrounding us, and embedded in many aspects of our daily lives. From voice assistants to recommendation algorithms, AI is a part of our reality. It’s essential for us to learn how to use it wisely and with knowledge, as it has the potential to enhance and streamline various industries. However, as AI evolves, we also face a critical challenge: when we can no longer distinguish between what is real and what is artificial, we may be stepping into dangerous territory. This blurred line raises the need for updated regulations and laws to protect individuals and society from potential misuse or manipulation.

The time has come for us to approach AI with caution, awareness, and responsibility.

[Grey]

when we can no longer distinguish between what is real and what is artificial, we may be stepping into dangerous territory.

This is a separate topic for discussions with a cup of tea in the evenings At first there were natural objects on the planet, then there were artificially created ones by people. Nevertheless, both were real. Now the artificial objects themselves are creating something. It remains to clarify the degree of reality and we can move on to other stages.

The most important thing is to think about it while clutching a real cup of tea tightly and looking thoughtfully and sadly at the real evening sky