Running Bookworm on SSD {CLOSED}

[Andrew Lohmann]

I have recently downloaded and installed BookwormPup on my PC. It runs in RAM as expected with the files saved to my Windows partition subdirectory c:/PuppyDeb/

The SSD is quite full so running on another partition does not seem possible, but I have another PC which does have space on the SSD for an EXT4 partition which I like to install to.

Question; Is BookwormPup a good choice for running from hard disk rather than fugal. In any case, I am not sure that it would run off a hard disk partition, from what I read. But I am finding contradictions in installation options?

I have corrupted a save file a few times. My Thunderbird email directory .thunderbird is really too big, and it would be useful to keep on the SSD. Does this mean I need to use an EXT4 with a symbolic link. Or is there another way from the windows NTFS partition?

In any case, I might have used Claws mail, but it does not seem to work with yahoo or Gmail because use less secure app setting is being or has been withdrawn.

So I have asked a set of questions though at this stage I might just need a recomendation of another puppy or to stick with what I have picked?

[williwaw]

Question; I am not sure that it would run off a hard disk partition, from what I read. But I am finding contradictions in installation options?

Hi Andrew? Can you cite the info that gives you this impression. I have no problems with a frugal install on a hard disk

have you considered running from a USB memory stick. there are smaller profile ones that are quite unobtrusive and can be had with decent storage.
USB tethered ssds? can your machine utilize a second internal drive?
Puppy works well from USB.

[Andrew Lohmann]

I have two laptops, A Sony and an HP COMPAQ of about 2010 Windows 7 vintage. There are a number of issues, and I am working through them. Since posting;
The Sony will only run Slackware puppy and Windows 10, but Grub does not offer my previously installed Mageia 9.
USB does not let the Debian and Ubuntu based puppies get past loading kernel or even get that far. But after a long wait, Slackware pup starts up, it installed to a EXT4 partition I placed on the internal SSD. So I misunderstood something about fugal running on a hard disk, evidently.

Boot repair disk recovered Mageia 9, but then Puppy Slack was not on the list, but in both cases Windows 10 was also found. Mageia's boot repair also did not find Puppy Slack.

I think my confusion is with how to install, but preferably using Grub 2. The other is that the HP Compaq lost the Windows boot, then windows partition tool lost everything. So I thought I must try harder to register to this forum, the dogs' password slowed me down a number of days till I could try again. And because of those little disasters, I also worry about using an SSD with puppy?

Lastly, both PCs are legacy boot with MBR partitioning.

I can see that USB stick works well. And without thunderbird mail, working from RAM is good as well, but I need to take care with ram usage.

[williwaw]

I have two laptops, A Sony and an HP COMPAQ of about 2010 Windows 7 vintage. There are a number of issues, and I am working through them. Since posting;
The Sony will only run Slackware puppy and Windows 10, but Grub does not offer my previously installed Mageia 9.
USB does not let the Debian and Ubuntu based puppies get past loading kernel or even get that far. But after a long wait, Slackware pup starts up, it installed to a EXT4 partition I placed on the internal SSD. So I misunderstood something about fugal running on a hard disk, evidently.
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Boot repair disk recovered Mageia 9, but then Puppy Slack was not on the list, but in both cases Windows 10 was also found. Mageia's boot repair also did not find Puppy Slack.

I think my confusion is with how to install, but preferably using Grub 2. The other is that the HP Compaq lost the Windows boot, then windows partition tool lost everything. So I thought I must try harder to register to this forum, the dogs' password slowed me down a number of days till I could try again. And because of those little disasters, I also worry about using an SSD with puppy?

Lastly, both PCs are legacy boot with MBR partitioning.

I can see that USB stick works well. And without thunderbird mail, working from RAM is good as well, but I need to take care with ram usage.

you have a number of different issues spread across 2 computers, but nothing that i do not think can be resolved. Adressing multiple issues in a single thread can get confusing fast.

there is a difference between installing a boot loader and running an "install" program that installs a bootloader and recognizes other operating systems sufficiently to write the proper configs for booting all distro present on the disk.

Boot repair disk recovered Mageia 9

sounds like your unspecified repair program is not capable of puppy detection or if it wrote a menu entry, it was wrong,

I would suggest working with dedicated-to-OS USB drives first and configuring dualboot with windows and Mageia on internal drives for a different day or topic

If you want to get bookworm booting off a usb on the sony, please supply a few specs about the sony and explain how you made the USB install.

If you can boot into any puppy on a machine that has a open USB port in order to make a dedicated-to-puppy usb, take a look at installing frugalpup-44.pet to your running puppy.
linked in the first post at viewtopic.php?t=337

[TerryH]

Other linux systems, I believe don't identify Puppy frugal installs when updating grub2. If you have a functional grub2 associated with another linux (mageia 9???) installation, there are 2 methods to add boot stanzas for Puppy installations.

1- In the working linux add a menuentry boot stanza for the bookwormpup in /etc/grub.d/40_custom. This entry will be added to the boot grub.cfg when you update grub in the linux installation.

2 - in the working linux installation, in the file /boot/grub2/custom.cfg, you can add a boot stanza for bookwormpup. This method doesn't get added to the boot.cfg. When you boot the boot stanzas contained are appended to the bottom of your boot screen.

[Geek3579]

Other linux systems, I believe don't identify Puppy frugal installs when updating grub2. If you have a functional grub2 associated with another linux (mageia 9???) installation, there are 2 methods to add boot stanzas for Puppy installations.

1- In the working linux add a menuentry boot stanza for the bookwormpup in /etc/grub.d/40_custom. This entry will be added to the boot grub.cfg when you update grub in the linux installation.

2 - in the working linux installation, in the file /boot/grub2/custom.cfg, you can add a boot stanza for bookwormpup. This method doesn't get added to the boot.cfg. When you boot the boot stanzas contained are appended to the bottom of your boot screen.

I recommend method 2, as you do not need to run the host Linux OS to update GRUB.

To get the GRUB stanza working, use Gparted to find the UUID of the partition containing the frugal folder called (eg) BookwormPUP3 (a folder keeps things tidy with multiple Puppy OSs) with the frugal files from the ISO. I put the UUID into a variable: MYUUID. A basic boot stanza for a frugal install is then:

MYUUID=1c48a2d8-bdbb-4cf5-a620-e43c95e51a05 # replace this with your UUID

menuentry " BookwormPUP 64 10.0.3 " {
search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set $MYUUID
linux /BookwormPUP3/vmlinuz pmedia=usbflash pdrv=$MYUUID psubdir=/BookwormPUP3
initrd /BookwormPUP3/initrd.gz

}

[bigpup]

You need to make a different topic about one specific issue and one specific computer.

It is very hard to follow info about multiple issues or computers in one topic.

so close this topic.

Start a topic about one specific issue and one specific computer.

when that issue is solved.

Start a new topic about something else.

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General Puppy info:

A frugal install can be on any partition, any format, and any type drive.
It is a folder and only uses the space needed by the folder.
Rest of partition is free to use for storage.
Installed to a ext format partition is best, so the save is a folder not a file.

Note:
Frugal is just the name it is called.
It is still the complete Puppy OS, just installed a special way.

If Widows is on the computer drive trying to install on.
Make sure Windows is normally shutdown not hibernate mode shutdown.
Hibernate does not fully release control of the drive.

If you are installing on a drive with multiple different operating systems on it.
Make Puppy the last to install as a frugal install.
The boot loader that Puppy can install will try to make entries for all operating systems on the drive.
So you want Puppy to install the boot loader to use.
But there are several boot loaders Puppy has available.
So this is info to provide, in a specific topic, on a specific computer, and what is on the drive.
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[TerryH]

I recommend method 2, as you do not need to run the host Linux OS to update GRUB.

Agreed. I should have been clearer on that. There is no need to run the update grub command.

Also just saw I made an error in option 2. I wrote boot.cfg instead of grub.cfg. Thanks also for the added details provided.

[Andrew Lohmann]

I am working through those things. And I did not know what to ask first to get started properly, hence I made a number of starts at getting a puppy running in different ways.

Also thanks for explaining that Fugal does not mean ram operation necessarily but any.

I can see that having Puppy launched from a Windows partition could be difficult because there are a number of ways that Windows will lock Linux out of accessing its partition, one of those being hibernation another errors detected on the HD.

I used Ubuntu based Boot Repair Disk and the tools within Mageia. Neither of these could find Puppy as already discussed, though Puppy or another Linux always found Windows but not the other Linux.

Mageia has quite good boot editing tool I should just need the Distribution name, that it is Linux, path, and the names of two files vmlinuz and initrd.gz that launch the Puppy. This failed though.

[esos]

Neither of these could find Puppy as already discussed though Puppy or another Linux always found Windows but not the other Linux

Just add to your grub.cfg, something like this(it is already mention above):

menuentry " BookwormPUP 64 10.0.3 " {
search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set $MYUUID
linux /BookwormPUP3/vmlinuz pmedia=usbflash pdrv=$MYUUID psubdir=/BookwormPUP3
initrd /BookwormPUP3/initrd.gz
}