My name is Legion: for we are many

[fredx181]

Yes, @bigpup Since you care so much about forum rules and specially about "getting personal", I think you should have given a warning (or at least commented) to Wiz57 for posting that .
Moderators should not violate the forum rules too, don't you think ?

If this was in this topic it has been deleted or I cannot find it in this topic.

Only reason it is staying in any posts is that is what the post is about.
But maybe even there it needs deleted.

If this is in some other topic.

Please give link to it so it can be deleted.

C'mon, yes, not in this thread but here:
Anyway... viewtopic.php?p=137806#p137806

[fredx181]

@bigpup Is anyone listening to me?????

I can assure you that all this can be stopped in seconds.

I don't think anyone's listening, Erik. Everybody's seemingly more interested in "having a go" at everybody else today.

Shut the forum down. Delete it. Remove it from existence, and save yourself some money AND a ton of hassle, mate. It's the solution to everything. That'll get their attention.....sooner or later. (Maybe..!)

Mike.

Yeah, continue on Mars ? viewtopic.php?p=138068#p138068
Perhaps Kennel Linux, Debiandog, EasyOs, Fatdog are also welcome ?

[bigpup]

@wiak

Ok found the topic and did an edit to it and not completely delete it.
So it is still an opinion about a post.

viewtopic.php?p=137806#p137806

My gosh man, MUST YOU DISPARAGE EVERYONE, here's a suggestion...if you have NOTHING positive to contribute, don't say anything. SHEESH, ENOUGH ALREADY!

But if you feel that is not enough it can be totally deleted?

It maybe is still a personal comment?

[rockedge]

Anybody like the clock?

Took me a minute to figure out I can adjust the settings for it on my User Control Panel->Board Preferences.....even though I read the documents for it several times, installed it and enabled it

[bigpup]

I do like the clock.

As long as it is not an added cost to providing the forum.

[rockedge]

@bigpup

I'll throw it in for free.

I am trying to keep the powers above from complaining about the storage size of the data, which judged by their past actions, will suggest an upgraded to our host services, with higher fees per year. Not a problem yet and preemptive actions will keep it that way.

[fredx181]

Anybody like the clock?

Took me a minute to figure out I can adjust the settings for it on my User Control Panel->Board Preferences.....even though I read the documents for it several times, installed it and enabled it

Your post is completely off-topic, but ok, I'll forgive you this time
Yes, very nice !

[mikewalsh]

Anybody like the clock?

Took me a minute to figure out I can adjust the settings for it on my User Control Panel->Board Preferences.....even though I read the documents for it several times, installed it and enabled it

Yah; a nice addition, that. Very neat. Just wish font and font size was adjustable, too.....it's a wee bit large for my liking.

But still not bad. Not bad at all!.

Mike.

EDIT:- (This is the Yorkshireman's understated way of saying he approves of summat. So sue me; it's in my genes, and is beyond my control..!)

[fredx181]

@wiak

Ok found the topic and did an edit to it and not completely delete it.
So it is still an opinion about a post.

viewtopic.php?p=137806#p137806

My gosh man, MUST YOU DISPARAGE EVERYONE, here's a suggestion...if you have NOTHING positive to contribute, don't say anything. SHEESH, ENOUGH ALREADY!

But if you feel that is not enough it can be totally deleted?

It maybe is still a personal comment?

I'll leave answering above to @wiak who you mentioned, just saying now that I saw that you edited my post here:
viewtopic.php?p=138070#p138070
Are you control freak ? Politician perhaps... Oh... question or what was in my post too 'personal' ?

Without the sarcasm, I really think you shouldn't edit posts for some (silly IMO) reason, also it has no comment about why you edited.
No big deal if that happens once or accidentally , just saying that I'm against that because it's unneeded history falsification.

EDIT: not that I'm against history falsification in general, in art or fiction (whatever... media) it can be very interesting

[bigpup]

question or what was in my post too 'personal' ?

As far as I understand there is no levels of personal statements that are OK.
For sure, if the person the statement is about, voices a complaint about it.
Moderators are suppose to delete it.
They did and I did delete it.

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Moderators of this forum are suppose to enforce the terms of this forum.

What I do not understand, is why people think making personal statements, about anyone, should be OK.

Here are the forum terms.

You agree not to post any abusive, obscene, vulgar, slanderous, hateful, threatening, sexually-orientated or any other material that may violate any laws be it of your country, the country where “Puppy Linux Discussion Forum” is hosted or International Law.

Note:
Hope no one lives in England.
Their laws seem to be able to put you in jail, if the government does not like what you post on the Internet

What is there that you think should not be in there about personal statements?

Should this be something you read and forget?

Is it so hard to disagree with someone and not turn it into a food fight of personal statements?

Anytime a post is made about something and it has personal statements about people in it.
The topic turns into nothing but a food fight of insults.

[wiak]

@wiak is this all on purpose to test my patience or how well I can handle all of the garbage?

My name is legion....what is that supposed to mean in the first place? It's garbage. My opinion.

The legion junk is nothing to do with me. The tat is in reply to the tit making the comment that KL/FR-based distros belong squeezed back inside the wee forum beside the DebianDogs.

Elsewhere I have stated that this forum either needs someone to finally decide its purpose. If it remains for the distro Puppy Linux with all other distro creators, willing to put up with it, as a minor sideshow OR as a forum that no longer focusses on Puppy Linux in dominating fashion (despite its age and virtually unmaintained and inflexible woof-CE build system). If it is to be the latter then the person who put their hand up (you) to lead and administer the forum has a job to do beyond maintaining this Puppy Linux dominating forum status.

As I've said, I am fine with the name PLDF informing its main purpose will always be to focus on Puppy Linux. If people continue to want to use my FirstRib build system utilities and FR initrd as the core of distro they call Kennel Linux, that's up to them. But if PLDF is to remain focussed the way it has been for close to two decades that is enough time waiting for an alternative major re-organisation that never happened. That other distro maintainers are fine to take a back seat behind the aging status of an old distro is up to them, but it's a nonsense if KL distro building is taken seriously since that continues to expand but its forum focus does not.

This is not any stab in the back against you rockedge, but the decision on the future purpose of PLDF is being avoided and since you put up your hand for the challenge, and the status that comes with that, it is also then your responsibility to change the forum structure away from the Puppy Linux anachronism, or at least to make it perfectly clear to the rest of us that PLDF is primarily for Puppy. I am not the sook type where everything done here is to be congratulated. If the forum is nowadays intended to support other distros such as the so-called KL distros then the forum structure is not fit for purpose. If it is intended primarily to focus on the Puppy Linux distro then other distro creators should be informed thus for I think obvious reasons.

What is your plan? If you want to cater for the likes of KL/FR-based distro building in the future you need to re-organise the forum for that purpose or (find and) pass the forum management role onto someone else interested in building, maintaining and running opensource community-oriented forums.

[Tahrbaby]

Anybody like the clock?

Took me a minute to figure out I can adjust the settings for it on my User Control Panel->Board Preferences.....even though I read the documents for it several times, installed it and enabled it

Yes,thank you

[fredx181]

question or what was in my post too 'personal' ?

As far as I understand there is no levels of personal statements that are OK.
For sure, if the person the statement is about, voices a complaint about it.
Moderators are suppose to delete it.
They did and I did delete it.

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Moderators of this forum are suppose to enforce the terms of this forum.

What I do not understand, is why people think making personal statements, about anyone, should be OK.

Here are the forum terms.

You agree not to post any abusive, obscene, vulgar, slanderous, hateful, threatening, sexually-orientated or any other material that may violate any laws be it of your country, the country where “Puppy Linux Discussion Forum” is hosted or International Law.

...

Of course there must be forum rules, but if moderators are going to remove every tiny bit of criticism or some firm words ....
Btw, I see it as a personal attack to edit someone's post if that post isn't really hateful, abusive, obscene ... etc...
From now on I will copy my posts after writing, so I'm able to restore, I'd advice everyone to do the same.

[wiak]

From now on I will copy my posts after writing, so I'm able to restore, I'd advice everyone to do the same.

I had also started doing this. It is the result of bad, biased, and excessive moderation. There are two moderators of this forum who have often exibited extreme bias against distros that are not Puppy Linux and who generally ignore each others breaking of forum rules, but target others whose opinions they do not appreciate. I do not understand why they are allowed to be moderators of a forum like this where many distro types are involved, many strong and differing opinions - a place where very balanced and neutral opinioned moderator behaviour is essential.

Personally, because I have my own project work and related opinions concerning support for that I have nearly always kept out of moderation actions. These guys haven't provided forum project contributions of their own, but they've often demonstrated strongly where their bias lies. They are welcome to their opinions but they should not be moderators here.

There are plenty of forum members who may prefer or work on particular projects or distros, but do not exhibit bias at all; for example, TerryH, geo_c, step, Keef, and far more besides. Of course most of these may have no time or interest in being forum moderators, but instead we suffer extremely pushy inappropriately biased guys appointed into moderator positions.

[wiak]

For sure, if the person the statement is about, voices a complaint about it.
Moderators are suppose to delete it.
They did and I did delete it.

No. The offensive personal post was made by moderator Wiz57 against myself on Dec 14. I ignored it for the crap it was (and is, despite your editing it to look innocent). You were following this thread yet did nothing about it until put on the spot about that later. You should have warned that moderator that his behaviour as a moderator was unacceptable such that given any further such warning he should be removed from his role as a forum moderator since he is unfit for a moderator role.

I said nothing about the matter at the time (14 Dec). I shouldn't have needed to; the warning should have been given by a moderator and especially you since you were involved in the thread quite heavily youself.

What I complained about, on the day another matter (by yourself) happened (Dec 17), was you editing a post I made for reasons I neither accept nor understand. I used your ignoring a fellow moderator's obvious vulgarity back on Dec 14 as an example of what unfit moderators you both are. The personal attack was entirely itself irrelevant to me - it was also completely untrue in its claim so what do I care about such crap.

Here are the forum terms.

You agree not to post any abusive, obscene, vulgar, slanderous, hateful, threatening, sexually-orientated or any other material that may violate any laws be it of your country, the country where “Puppy Linux Discussion Forum” is hosted or International Law.

The terms never of course suggest any such post should be edited to hide the actual history of the offense.

[fredx181]

Here are the forum terms.

You agree not to post any abusive, obscene, vulgar, slanderous, hateful, threatening, sexually-orientated or any other material that may violate any laws be it of your country, the country where “Puppy Linux Discussion Forum” is hosted or International Law.

The terms never of course suggest any such post should be edited to hide the actual history of the offense.

IMO someone posting such abusive content should just be warned (or possibly banned if it happens multiple times), not by editing posts.
Needs agreement between moderators of course. If in doubt, then talk about it in the Admin's and Moderators section, please.

[bigpup]

I agree!
If anyone should be following the terms of this forum, it should be all moderators!
Only forum administrator can control that with moderators.

This has been talked about between us moderators and I thought it was agreed to by all.

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Is there really a problem understanding agree not to post?

"Agree not to post" refers to a situation where someone gives their consent or makes a promise not to share or publish something, often in a specific context or agreement. It could involve:

Privacy Agreements: People may agree not to post sensitive, private, or confidential information about another person or organization.
Non-disclosure Agreements (NDAs): In business settings, individuals might sign NDAs to ensure they do not share confidential information about a product, service, or strategy.
Social Media Etiquette: A person may agree not to post certain types of content on social media, either due to personal respect or because they agreed to terms set by a group, event, or company.
Event or Media Consent: If someone is involved in an event (such as a performance, interview, or meeting), they may agree not to post anything about it online to maintain confidentiality or avoid unwanted publicity.
In essence, "agree not to post" is a commitment not to share particular content, often to protect privacy or respect agreements.

Warning does not seem to be working for everyone.

Only a few people seem to need more than a warning to get them to stop.

The terms never of course suggest any such post should be edited to hide the actual history of the offense.

See above info on agree not to post!
If it is never posted, it would not need to be edited out.

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If you replace back something that was edited out by a moderator.

Then you are no longer agreeing to the terms of this forum.

You agree that “Puppy Linux Discussion Forum” have the right to remove, edit, move or close any topic at any time should we see fit.

This is done every single day, for different reasons, by all moderators on this forum!

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If you do not know it.

Any post can be reported (by anyone) to be looked at by moderators.
Simply clicking on the report this post icon, on top right of the post.

[Jasper]

Really would someone genuinely rely upon ChatGPT for legal advice?

This is done every single day, for different reasons, by all moderators on this forum!

Is it unreasonable to expect the common courtesy to inform the poster of the content of your decision?

[Jasper]

@bigpup

Talking about a country you do not live in.

Note:
Hope no one lives in England.
Their laws seem to be able to put you in jail, if the government does not like what you post on the Internet

An example of someone recently convicted in England and sent to prison for their online comments:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2910vrrygo

Who are the American Bar Association?

Source:

https://www.americanbar.org/content/dam ... er%202.pdf

A day of world-wide infamy

January 6, 2021 U.S Capitol Attack

Anyone sentenced for stirring up incitement online?

@fredx181

EDIT: not that I'm against history falsification in general, in art or fiction (whatever... media) it can be very interesting

Involvement/collaboration with Nazi's during World War 2 or on a lighter note Nineteen Eighty-four, George Orwell.

[bigpup]

Really would someone genuinely rely upon ChatGPT for legal advice?

This is done every single day, for different reasons, by all moderators on this forum!

Is it unreasonable to expect the common courtesy to inform the poster of the content of your decision?

A definition of something is not really legal advice.

At the bottom of the post it tells who edited it and if a reason is needed it is provided.
Sometimes this information does not stay.
If it gets edited again by anyone that can edit it, then that becomes the latest edit, and the information input is for that.
Not all edits need to be explained.
Usually simple edits, like a word not there, spelling correction, something missing in the subject, etc... do not get an explanation statement.

@Jasper
Want to try something?
Try editing your last post.
See if the edit info I gave is no longer there.
I know a moderator edit will change this, but not sure if original poster edit will.
If it does.
Then maybe we need to come up with a better way to explain why a post got edited.