Kennel Linux Distrowatch presence

[fredx181]

So... in general it requires teamwork to be successful.
One person is good with this and the other is good with that, that's always the case for any Linux distribution, I guess.

[wiak]

The only way Puppy Linux is going to have some kind of controlled development direction is if it has what was called the Puppy master.
That person had the final say on what was Puppy Linux.

For a long time that was BarryK, but not anymore involved in Puppy Linux.

01micko was suppose to take over.
He is no more.

So there is no one as Puppy master.

Why on earth would you care about having a master for what is now an aging distribution with an awkward messy build system?

KL distros work fine; relatively simple to build, powerful, no issues really. The flexibility and much of the power is an inherent result of them using the FirstRib build system and particularly the FR initrd heart of the system; keep it simple stupid - nothing magical really about that. In reality I'm not myself actually bothered who uses it and certainly don't actually care one iota about Distrowatch.

My concern is the dead Puppy focus (not its lack of any 'master'; daft terminology that anyway), the not unexpected result of that being a no longer particularly popular or active forum, but considering its continuing focus on a close to dead distro with a definitely dead build system, its lack of lively status and continuing decline is inevitable though many here seem determined to behave like the ostrich with its head in the sand.

Dreaming of a return to a past long gone, crying for a leader's return? Dr. Frankenstein, where are you? - there is a dead Puppy lying on the operating system table. As for gaining more likely professional employment through studying woof-CE... surely that comment wasn't made seriously? Certainly it made me laugh - at least there is still a bit of comedy here then, but hopefully the claim was made in jest?; it's usually dimkr that claims amazing technological development accomplishments about bog standard features such as how rsync works during a save2flash.

[Jasper]

Even Santa needs a team to deliver all the presents!!!

[Jasper]

@wiak

Could you provide us with a proposal?

A bit of blue-sky thinking would be welcome ........... well for me

[Wiz57]

The only way Puppy Linux is going to have some kind of controlled development direction is if it has what was called the Puppy master.
That person had the final say on what was Puppy Linux.

For a long time that was BarryK, but not anymore involved in Puppy Linux.

01micko was suppose to take over.
He is no more.

So there is no one as Puppy master.

Why on earth would you care about having a master for what is now an aging distribution with an awkward messy build system?

KL distros work fine; relatively simple to build, powerful, no issues really. The flexibility and much of the power is an inherent result of them using the FirstRib build system and particularly the FR initrd heart of the system; keep it simple stupid - nothing magical really about that. In reality I'm not myself actually bothered who uses it and certainly don't actually care one iota about Distrowatch.

My concern is the dead Puppy focus (not its lack of any 'master'; daft terminology that anyway), the not unexpected result of that being a no longer particularly popular or active forum, but considering its continuing focus on a close to dead distro with a definitely dead build system, its lack of lively status and continuing decline is inevitable though many here seem determined to behave like the ostrich with its head in the sand.

Dreaming of a return to a past long gone, crying for a leader's return? Dr. Frankenstein, where are you? - there is a dead Puppy lying on the operating system table. As for gaining more likely professional employment through studying woof-CE... surely that comment wasn't made seriously? Certainly it made me laugh - at least there is still a bit of comedy here then, but hopefully the claim was made in jest?; it's usually dimkr that claims amazing technological development accomplishments about bog standard features such as how rsync works during a save2flash.

My gosh man, MUST YOU DISPARAGE EVERYONE, here's a suggestion...if you have NOTHING positive to contribute, don't say anything. SHEESH, ENOUGH ALREADY!

[dimkr]

it's usually dimkr that claims amazing technological development accomplishments about bog standard features such as how rsync works during a save2flash.

First, my fork of woof-CE is very small and tidy. It's easy to understand, easy to work with and easy to develop if anyone wants to contribute. Second, I bet you never bothered to check what rsync is doing when you change one byte in a large file, using tools like iostat or strace. Check the facts, don't just raise suspicion and devalue my work.

This hostile attitude towards new development in Puppy definitely doesn't help anyone.

[wiak]

Before wasting yet more time on discussions regarding the future of dead end Puppy Linux and the unfortunate woof-CE you might care to note all the many innovative gems inhabiting a cramped forum section called Kennel Linux. Compare it with the very dry material in the vast somewhat innovative-empty desert spaces dedicated to Puppy Linux. The desert has clearly dried up in terms of pretty much any actual innovation. The desert space, in its empty vastness, is a monument to boredom. Better to remove heads from the sand; in fact those that can should remove some of the heads. The forum is heading to be a place of empty old social chatter, which at least gives it an actual purpose.

I've been pretty active myself recently. Not hugely innovative, but at least something new produced. I'm even now working on firstribit again with a typical FR plug in facility to modify mainstream distros during build to cut them down to smaller more KL like frugal installable size. However, the space here (and some perpetual attitudes) is too limited and limiting.

The dream is for more Puppy Linux developments, so this is simply no longer a good forum for anything FR new. But good luck with the wonderful new debootstrap distros that Puppy (and forks?) now reinvents albeit poor cousins of the greater yet similarly sized debiandogs that have ruled that apt package manager debootstrapped roost for eleven years now and counting.

[Jasper]

Personal attacks on members should not be made.

Let's try and keep it civil.

We have different opinions, so let's hear each other out.

My gosh man, MUST YOU DISPARAGE EVERYONE, here's a suggestion...if you have NOTHING positive to contribute, don't say anything. You sound like a
disgruntled, unhappy, forlorn, unsatisfied, frustrated old man that "couldn't get it up with a crane", and wants to blame EVERYONE for their personal
shortcomings rather than look at their own failures and work on ways to improve them. SHEESH, ENOUGH ALREADY!

[Jasper]

@wiak

It should not surprise you that even in 'deserts' there is the potential for growth.

[dimkr]

The dream is for more Puppy Linux developments, so this is simply no longer a good forum for anything FR new. But good luck with the wonderful new debootstrap distros that Puppy (and forks?) now reinvents albeit poor cousins of the greater yet similarly sized debiandogs that have ruled that apt package manager debootstrapped roost for eleven years now and counting.

Distros can be similar but still different, you know? We can build similar things but try to improve in different directions and even learn from each other (save2flash is a good example: there are many ways to implement it, but some are slower or less efficient).

Many different distros use debootstrap, so what? They're still very different and have their own advantages and disadvantages, this single point of similarity doesn't mean that developers are wasting their time trying to build the same thing.

[ozsouth]

I am in awe of the development skills of the likes of barryk, dimkr, peebee, radky, rockedge, wiak & others.
I have wished I had some of their skills, but at my age improvement is marginal, despite my efforts.
In nearly 20 years of being on Puppy forums, I contributed very little for the first dozen or so years,
then in retirement, felt I should try to make some contribution, mostly just polishing old methods.
There are a lot like me on the forum, relying on the efforts of the more-skilled few. Thank you all.
I do understand the frustration of innovators, particularly dimkr & wiak. Please continue to develop.

[bigpup]

This is Linux.

There is always 10 different ways to do something.

No one controls what you do in Linux.

You do anything, the way you want to do it.

Just because the other Linux OS's, do something, is not a reason to also do it.

At one time, Puppy Linux had it's own layout for where stuff was located in it's Linux file system.
It was nothing like other Linux OS's used.
In fact, it did not even have some of the directories, that are now considered the normal layout, for a Linux file system.

The only reason Puppy Linux uses the accepted way for the Linux file system layout.
Was so every program, someone wanted to add, did not need to be packaged for the Puppy file system.
There was a time, when only way to add a program, was only if it had been packaged as a pet, and setup for install in the Puppy file system layout.
No other packaging way would work.
No other repository of software packages would work.
Only a repository of pet packages would work.

In a way, I miss that old Puppy file system layout.

It sure was a way to keep Linux viruses and malware programs off of Puppy.
They all choked, on trying to install in a location, they could run from, in Puppy Linux.
I am sure, a lot of them tried to install in a directory, that was not even in the Puppy Linux file system layout.
Probably got a lot of directory not found errors.

If you want to do something, a specific way, then do it!

Just remember there is always 10 other ways to do it too!

[bigpup]

I refer all to this:
viewtopic.php?t=12420

[Jasper]

@bigpup

Talk the talk, walk the walk

viewtopic.php?p=137811#p137811

How does he know about his medical condition?

[bigpup]

How does he know about his medical condition?

???????????

[Jasper]

frustrated old man that "couldn't get it up with a crane"

When is acceptable to mock/question a man's masculinity?

Disgraceful

[rockedge]

so this is simply no longer a good forum for anything FR new.

I don't think so.

Where then is "the good forum" pray tell????

I don't seem to see an FR one anywhere but for two. Funny thing is they both are on web servers I set up.

[fredx181]

so this is simply no longer a good forum for anything FR new.

I don't think so.

Where then is "the good forum" pray tell????

I don't seem to see an FR one anywhere but for two. Funny thing is they both are on web servers I set up.

The Kennel Linux section is in Board index > Distributions , (just under Mainline Puppy Linux Distros) and has many sub-sections.
I can't see anything wrong (as it is now) with the advertising of Kennel Linux or FR on this forum.
But yeah, the mainline is Puppy Linux Distros of course, as this is PLDF, not KLDF or FRDF.

[rockedge]

The Kennel Linux section is in Board index > Distributions , (just under Mainline Puppy Linux Distros) and has many sub-sections.

Yes I am aware of this since I put it there. I am talking about any other forums or blogs featuring Kennel Linux and FirstRib

[Jasper]

@rockedge

How about AI scrapers like RSSing?

Referring to surface web results only?

[rockedge]

@Jasper These forums both new and old are scrapped daily by AI Bots of one sort or another along with the usual allowed search engine Bots and Spiders.

I mean that there are only 3 websites that I know of that mention FirstRib or Kennel Linux and have conversation about them.

I use our RSS capabilities every day so that works quite well. Wouldn't be a far reach to say our RSS feed is scanned.

[Jasper]

It's annoying as it is stripping the content from this site and adding it to others.

You have no control of what is harvested nor how it is presented.

https://www.rssing.com/search.php?q=pup ... gsc.page=1

[wiak]

so this is simply no longer a good forum for anything FR new.

I don't think so.

Where then is "the good forum" pray tell????
I don't seem to see an FR one anywhere but for two. Funny thing is they both are on web servers I set up.

I run and maintain several webstes, but these are for businesses including my family's own. As is known I have set up and run one blog, which features some of my FR docs, though I rarely add to it because too busy. I don't run any forums though I set up an experimental phpBB one of my own once during a time we ran openERP with postgreslq backend (now Oodo but we don't use that) on own server for our business. A forum is for discussion, and contributions. I don't mind talking less.

[bigpup]

I think all or someone needs to be thanking rockedge for providing space on this forum.

That is what should be done!

That is all that needs to be posted!!

[wiak]

I think all or someone needs to be thanking rockedge for providing space on this forum.

That is what should be done!

That is all that needs to be posted!!

And your agenda is?

[bigpup]

I cannot reply to that, because I would need to make personal comments about someone.

How about this way.

If someone has produced a Linux operating system or software, space on the forum is provided to talk about it, and provide links for downloading it.

Then the person(S) should be thanking rockedge for the service he is providing to them.

Be happy there is a place provided for them to use.

What else is on the forum should not be an issue.

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Getting back to the subject of the topic.

I really do not understand, why there is so much resistance to providing the needed information and statements, to get a Linux operating system shown on DistroWatch.

I, an I am sure many others, found out about Puppy Linux, when we found it on DistroWatch.

No one is going to just do a search for Puppy Linux on the internet, if they have never seen anything about it.

At least this shows it:
https://www.linux.org/pages/download/

But it also refers you to DistroWatch

[Jasper]

How about this way.

If someone has produced a Linux operating system or software, space on the forum is provided to talk about it, and provide links for downloading it.

Then the person(S) should be thanking rockedge for the service he is providing to them.

Be happy there is a place provide for them to use.

What else is on the forum should not be an issue.

How about this way?

A reciprocal agreement

"We have no eternal allies, and we have no perpetual enemies. Our interests are eternal and perpetual, and those interests it is our duty to follow."

Lord Palmerston, House of Commons speech , 1 March 1848

[Jasper]

@wiak

When I read your posts on the forum this thought never comes to mind

"couldn't get it up with a crane"

Penis envy?

[wiak]

I cannot reply to that, because I would need to make personal comments about someone.

This is completely disingenuous. If there is a forum rule that you cannot make personal comments about someone, which I believe there is, it would be an utter nonsense if you could make obviously personal comments about an individual as long as you avoided using their name, but instead provided enough side information to make it very clear who you were making the personal comments about! Maybe the forum should have a rule about not being sneaky?

[wiak]

I cannot reply to that, because I would need to make personal comments about someone.

How about this way.

If someone has produced a Linux operating system or software, space on the forum is provided to talk about it, and provide links for downloading it.

Then the person(S) should be thanking rockedge for the service he is providing to them.

What if the person or persons neither ask for or personally never or no longer actually need the space? Without contributions what exactly does the forum have to discuss?

But perhaps it could be that the person or persons making the contributions were very thankful for the provision that had been made available for the free contribution, but for one reason or another neither needed or wanted the provided space further, which incidentally frees up the space for someone/something else. I cannot speak for others, but that at least would be my position and view.

In fact, a few years ago now, I wanted to remove FirstRib related work elsewhere, but was asked to please leave it here. I accepted moving the majority of FR threads into an off topic other distros archive (free to delete at forum admin discretion) and said I was fine with any forum member using FR build system components if they so wish. Rather the opposite of me demanding any FR space.

Of course it is only fair to communicate when space is no longer required amd not wanted, for whatever reason, and even better to provide new download and other information location links.