Test Results - Booting-Woof-CE PUPs directly from its ISO download

Clarity · Post by **Clarity** » Sat Jul 13, 2024 8:48 am

Results: Tests of booting a WoofCE PUP from its ISO file to its desktop

Note: Booting WoofCE PUPs from its ISO files eliminates issues of extractions and boot-menu changes which often can result in errors. The ISO file booting is trouble-free retaining all the properties expected in a Frugal use.

The Approach and Intent:

Merely download the ISO file to the launch USB and boot it to desktop to be operational. No intermediate step(s) required.
At boot for all tests, KLV's default boot Menu item taken without menu change.

Forum	------ Bare-Metal ------	------- QEMU (VM) -------	PXE

Distro	Ventoy	SG2D	Native	Ventoy	SG2D	PXE
WoofCE PUPs by Radky
BookwormPup64 10.0.8	Y(5)	Y	Y	Y(5)	Y	N(6)
BookwormPup64 10.0.7	Y(5)	Y	Y	Y(5)	Y	N
BookwormPup64 10.0.6	Y(5)	Y	Y	Y(5)	Y	N(6)
BookwormPup64 10.0.5	Y(5)	Y	Y	Y(5)	Y	N(6)
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WoofCE PUPs by PeeBee
BookwormPup64 ghtest-241006	N(6)	N(6)	Y	Y(5)	Y	N(6)
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S15Pup64-22.12-241006	N(6)	N(6)	Y	Y(5)	Y	N
S15Pup64-22.12-240717	Y(5)	Y	Y	Y(5)	Y	N
S15Pup64-22.12-240706	Y(5)	Y	Y	Y(5)	Y	N
S15Pup64-22.12-240505	N(6)	N(6)	Y	Y(5)	Y	N
S15Pup64-22.12-240504	N(6)	N(6)	Y	Y(5)	Y	N
S15Pup64-22.12-240420	N(6)	N(6)	N(1)	N(2)	N(2)	N
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VoidPup64-22.02-241009	Y(5)	Y	Y	N(2)	N(2)	N(6)
VoidPup64-22.02-241006	N(6)	N(6)	Y	N(2)	Y	N(6)
VoidPup64-22.02-240810	N(3)	N(3)	N(6)	N(6)	N(6)	N(6)
VoidPup64-22.02-240717	Y(5)	Y	Y	Y(5)	Y	N
VoidPup64-22.02-240703	Y	Y	Y	N(2)	N(2)	N
VoidPup64-22.02-240504	N(6)	N(6)	Y	Y(5)	Y	N
VoidPup64-22.02-240420	N(6)	N(6)	N(1)	N(2)	N(2)	N(6)

Legend for 'N' (No) in table

(1) - Drops out to GRUB prompt
(2) - Stops at Console w/o Desktop
(3) - TRAP/Abend/Stops during boot
(4) - IMG Not Supported by Launcher
(5) - REQUIRES session-save parm (PSAVE=), manually added, to GRUB2 Menu stanza for boot for proper session-save management
(6) - Not tested
(7) - WoofCE PUPs: SAVESPEC will NOT be honored; if 'PSAVE' boot parm specified, boot will drop to GRUB prompt

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QEMU stanza used in tests

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qemu-system-x86_64 -name "WoofCE PUP ISO from Ventoy USB" -enable-kvm -vga std -m 2G -smp 2 -device AC97 -net nic -net user -rtc base=localtime /dev/sdc

Where "/dev/sdc" is the Ventoy USB (also same path when the SG2D USB is in the PC slot)

Caveats

For Ventoy launching, the boot stanza MUST have a PSAVE= parm to direct persistence
For SG2D launching, no such is needed as the SAVESPEC file in the BOOTISOS folder, if exist, automatically directs persistence

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Where to get the ISO launch tools mentioned in the table's header

QEMU - this is installed from your forum distro's Package Manager
Ventoy - this is gotten from its site (click here)
Super GRUB2 Disk (SG2D) - this is gotten from its site (click here)

Clarity · Post by **Clarity** » Sat Jul 13, 2024 8:49 am

Reserved:

Clarity · Post by **Clarity** » Tue Jul 23, 2024 10:14 am

Reserved:

Clarity · Post by **Clarity** » Thu Sep 19, 2024 8:12 pm

NoblePup64 v24.09 bare-metal via Ventoy and SG2D goes right to deskttops with no issues.

Will report boot findings of your other updated distros, soon

: upup v24.09 pristine missing admin tools.jpg (27.22 KiB) Viewed 1596 times

Jasper · Post by **Jasper** » Fri Sep 20, 2024 7:16 pm

@Clarity

Where did you get the NoblePup64 v24.09 from?

Post by **mikewalsh** » Mon Sep 23, 2024 11:07 pm

More to the point, what I don't understand is how you got access to post in a "locked" forum?

Can't figure that one out.

Mike.

Chelsea80 · Post by **Chelsea80** » Mon Sep 23, 2024 11:29 pm

@mikewalsh

Same way I did I guess.

Just logged in the normal way and posted.

Maybe the lock is broken, worth looking into wouldn't you agree.
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Perhaps this helps:

On the Puppy Ram Use topic the Post Reply button actually says Locked

On this topic the button says Post Reply.

Jasper · Post by **Jasper** » Thu Sep 26, 2024 12:00 pm

There is no 'clarity' in the results posted.

If the result is not completed without an additional input then it should be 'N6' not Y6.

The Approach and Intent:

Merely download the ISO file to the launch USB and boot it to desktop to be operational. No intermediate step(s) required.

Do the PXE boot N6 results simply mean that you are not able to conduct the test??

Currently @fatdog is the ONLY forum distro capable of booting its ISO via a PXE server

The ISO's which have dates are not presented in a coherent format ie date.

Clarity · Post by **Clarity** » Thu Sep 26, 2024 8:56 pm

Hello @Jasper

I try to cover your points without using specific references to your post.

N(6) - means I have not tested the PXE. When/if I do, that column will change to either N or Y

I use Ventoy PXE to test booting ISO files from over the LAN without any need to move/save an ISO at the site of my PC. They have a very simple structure for their PXE facility. @fatdog is the ONLY forum iso file that boots to desktop over PXE.

You correctly note that I have not tested PXE booting, recently. I should do that. And you also correctly note that I have posted a test not following a proper dated sequence (this was done in haste and should have been posted in sequence ... not as its shown. I will repair the table in my next WoofCE distro tests.

Thanks for your insight.

Amol · Post by **Amol** » Thu Sep 26, 2024 10:36 pm

Hello everyone !
@clarity: i've tried your method with SG2D for booting isos.I've maded it succesfully for Justlighthouse64-900 which can't boot on my laptop with classic methods.BIG THANKS !! SG2D seems to be a powerfull tool
Best regards,
Amol

Jasper · Post by **Jasper** » Sat Sep 28, 2024 7:44 am

@Clarity

Thanks for the update it is appreciated and work undertaken

Is it worth adding to your initial post, links to the applications that you are using ie Ventoy and SG2D?

Some people may not be familiar with these. It would be useful to have all the information to hand in the thread instead of them having to search for them.

Just a thought!

Clarity · Post by **Clarity** » Sat Sep 28, 2024 8:04 am

@Jasper THANKS for the suggestion.

See the Opening Post.

Jasper · Post by **Jasper** » Sat Sep 28, 2024 12:15 pm

@Clarity

Honestly, don't hate me ...... I just had another thought ..... maybe the latest/current releases could be 'highlighted'?

I noticed that BookwormPup64 10.0.8 appears slightly darker compared to the other text.

Looks good regardless

Clarity · Post by **Clarity** » Sun Sep 29, 2024 1:01 am

Yeah, that high-light is already part of the table future.

Jasper · Post by **Jasper** » Wed Dec 11, 2024 2:14 pm

dimkr · Post by **dimkr** » Wed Dec 11, 2024 2:35 pm

Considering the low activity in woof-CE in areas that can affect ability to boot (like https://github.com/puppylinux-woof-CE/w ... itrd-progs) and aren't distro specific (all woof-CE builds use same boot loader for the ISO, etc') I don't think there's much value in testing the same things over and over. Nothing has changed, and if test results have changed, this is probably a mistake.

Jasper · Post by **Jasper** » Thu Dec 12, 2024 11:28 am

@dimkr

That makes sense to me.

Gives Clarity a sense of purpose.

dimkr · Post by **dimkr** » Thu Dec 12, 2024 8:17 pm

Jasper wrote: Thu Dec 12, 2024 11:28 am
Gives Clarity a sense of purpose.

If the purpose is to get boot-related issues fixed, then issues persist not due to lack of awareness among developers but due to lack of developers.

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