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For my old HW collection, I am gradually 'upgrading' to BusterDog and Bullseye since StretchDog is getting less maintenance nowadays.

I am working on an old Fujitsu Lifebook S series (CoreDuo 1.83GHz, 2GB RAM).

No sound in BusterDog and Bullseye, but no such issue in StretchDog (sound working fine). I can hear the speakers making noise as if it was being initialized but failed.

Most of my installations are frugal install, so I reboot to Stretch/Buster/Bullseye depending on what I need.

I don't know AlsaMixer well. Just trying get troubleshooting pointers.

For starter, here's some details from Alsa...same in all 3 dogs.

Browsing the net for sound problems.

Saw someone was asking for this output when assisting with troubleshooting.
Here's mine - same for both BusterDog and Bullseye

BusterDog and Bullseye
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root@live:~# lspci -knnv | grep -A6 Audio
00:1b.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation NM10/ICH7 Family High Definition Audio Controller [8086:27d8] (rev 02)
	Subsystem: Fujitsu Limited. NM10/ICH7 Family High Definition Audio Controller [10cf:1397]
	Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 26
	Memory at f0640000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16K]
	Capabilities: [50] Power Management version 2
	Capabilities: [60] MSI: Enable+ Count=1/1 Maskable- 64bit+
	Capabilities: [70] Express Root Complex Integrated Endpoint, MSI 00
	Capabilities: [100] Virtual Channel

root@live:~# aplay -l
**** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices ****
card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 0: ALC262 Analog [ALC262 Analog]
  Subdevices: 1/1
  Subdevice #0: subdevice #0

root@live:~# aplay -L | grep -A1 ^hw:
hw:CARD=Intel,DEV=0
    HDA Intel, ALC262 Analog
root@live:~#

StretchDog

StretchDog
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root@live:~# lspci -knnv | grep -A6 Audio
00:1b.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation NM10/ICH7 Family High Definition Audio Controller [8086:27d8] (rev 02)
	Subsystem: Fujitsu Limited. NM10/ICH7 Family High Definition Audio Controller [10cf:1397]
	Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 29
	Memory at f0640000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16K]
	Capabilities: [50] Power Management version 2
	Capabilities: [60] MSI: Enable+ Count=1/1 Maskable- 64bit+
	Capabilities: [70] Express Root Complex Integrated Endpoint, MSI 00
	Capabilities: [100] Virtual Channel
root@live:~# 
root@live:~# aplay -l
**** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices ****
card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 0: ALC262 Analog [ALC262 Analog]
  Subdevices: 1/1
  Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
root@live:~# 
root@live:~# aplay -L | grep -A1 ^hw:
hw:CARD=Intel,DEV=0
    HDA Intel, ALC262 Analog
root@live:~# 

I can see different IRQ...
StretchDog use IRQ29 vs Buster/Bullseye use IRQ26

If you cannot resolve this, the alternative would be a USB sound card dongle and headphones.

Tinkering along, I found few interesting/weird findings.

After booting, when the Master volume or Speakers channel volume are muted, and then increased back up, sounds come out! In fact, not neccessarily muted, just decreased to near mute (this point is when you hear crackling speaker noise), and you can increase volume to hear sound!

I booted, played mp3 audio, no sound.
I run command to set low volume, sound came out. Setting high volume didn't work, without setting it low first.
I thought to put these commands in startup - set low, sleep, set high. Random success.
Only when speakers is being used, and you do this, it always worked. Or do it 'manually' - non automated.

rcrsn51 wrote: Wed Jan 18, 2023 3:42 pm

If you cannot resolve this, the alternative would be a USB sound card dongle and headphones.

When browsing last night, I read similar issue elsewhere (2019 postings). No sound from speaker after upgrade from Stretch to Buster, but headphone still works fine for him. I suspected my headphone output works but didn't test it.
Reading your comment, I forced myself to find my headphone.
Plugging the headphone works....AND upon unplugging, sound came out of speakers too!
So, gotta do this on this laptop for each boot to get sound of speakers.
This is both on BusterDog and Bullseye.

OFF TOPIC.
(But for me, it's kind of 'related'. It's kind of 'why' I was tinkering)

I thought I report to Fred as FYI in case he didn't already know.
I refesh ISOs from time to time.
No surprise to me, mklive-stretch 'failed' when making ISO with google-chrome-stable nowadays.
(Fred's tip to use backport if you must have Chrome)
I modified all my Stretch ISOs to include chrome in the past, so can't it do this time.
Have to make do without Chrome.

This is just FYI for those using mklive-stretch to make any flavour that has Chrome in the menu, will not complete.

I'm 'leaving' Stretch...it's time...

My old computer with Stretch Chrome dog on it is mostly just a server and doesn't like newer than Stretch kernels. I'm just going to leave it version chrome 99 for now.

Chrome only lived a few months longer in Stretch than it did in Jessie.

I do have a setup to run Buster with an old kernel (thanks Bill and Fred) all set up and ready to go if I need it to keep my old dual core useful.

If you want to try something different to see if it works, systemd with pulse audio dog

https://forum.puppylinux.com/viewtopic. ... 790#p52790

https://www.dropbox.com/s/qi9dy1l3dit0g ... m.iso?dl=1

You should be able to download the Chrome .deb file from google, install it, and ideally it should just work.

dancytron wrote: Wed Jan 18, 2023 8:15 pm

If you want to try something different to see if it works, systemd with pulse audio dog

Thanks, Dan.
I'll post update if I got around to try it.

I downloaded your ISO and tried it.

10-5-22-.Clean.xz.ChromelessBullseyePulseDog-custom.iso

Sound is more reliable. Max loudness is less.
Of my numerous reboots so far, it's always there.

One more option for me to choose a 'solution' from.

Thank you @dancytron

The pulse audio volume app gives you a couple of different places to turn it up. From terminal "pavucontrol".

dancytron wrote: Wed Jan 18, 2023 10:31 pm

The pulse audio volume app gives you a couple of different places to turn it up. From terminal "pavucontrol".

Yes, I was gonna update the above/previous post about loudness.
Found more places to turn it up...