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How to recover standard desktop Icons?

Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2022 10:33 pm
by April

Does anyone know the command or procedure to put the Standard Desktop Icons back onto the Desktop?

I have done it before but must have been 10 years back.

I have lost all Icons and my background image and on boot it says the layers have changed on each boot and it rebuilds the menu supposedly..

Re: Recover Standard Desktop Icons.

Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2022 11:23 pm
by rockedge

Have you tried to go into the desktop setup (JWMDesk Manager) and look at the icon layout? Select Traditional-full desktop icons setup.

Perhaps this will be a quick fix. otherwise see if /usr/sbin/fixPuppyPin exists and run it.

the file /root/Choices/ROX-Filer/PuppyPin contains the icons configuration. Check that this file is in order or replace it.

I know that there are topic threads in the old and new forums that deal with this. Maybe use https://psearch.puppylinux.com and look up "PuppyPin replacement" or some search query that is similar.

Re: Recover Standard Desktop Icons.

Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2022 7:48 am
by April

Thanks Mate.

the file /root/Choices/ROX-Filer/PuppyPin contains the icons configuration

Indeeed by transfering a copy of this file from inside the Save .sfs file .

I have a live disk in the CD player as a live boot disk.
By clicking on the save file .sfs file it opens up and you can copy it across. This puts the basic icons up again .

The only question I have now is what is it likely to be that caused it to loose the details in the file already?
On boot up it still says the layers have changed and it has to fix the menus.

Re: Recover Standard Desktop Icons.

Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2022 9:43 am
by HerrBert
April wrote: ↑Thu Sep 08, 2022 7:48 am

Thanks Mate.

the file /root/Choices/ROX-Filer/PuppyPin contains the icons configuration

Indeeed by transfering a copy of this file from inside the Save .sfs file .

I have a live disk in the CD player as a live boot disk.
By clicking on the save file .sfs file it opens up and you can copy it across. This puts the basic icons up again .

The only question I have now is what is it likely to be that caused it to loose the details in the file already?
On boot up it still says the layers have changed and it has to fix the menus.

The message layers have changed, fixing menu... comes from /usr/sbin/sfs_load and indicates that
your Puppy loads an .sfs file on bootup, [EDIT]which contains a desktop file that generates an entry in your JWM menu.

Re: Recover Standard Desktop Icons.

Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2022 4:04 am
by April

Thanks for finding that . Its a difficult script to follow .

Re: Recover Standard Desktop Icons.

Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2022 11:29 pm
by mikewalsh

I have for years had a set of scripts, etc, that back-up my PuppyPin file to an external location. If things have "gone south" at the next boot, I have a Menu entry under Menu->Desktop that lets me recover from the saved PuppyPin file, then restarts "X", thereby restoring everything again.

I had a spell, some time back, when I kept losing all this at every boot; the PuppyPin file kept going AWOL. No ideas why; it eventually seemed to correct itself, doubtless due to some change I'd made elsewhere in the system. With a highly-customized desktop like mine, it's frustrating to have to set everything up again from scratch!

The thing to understand about the PuppyPin file is that it's "dynamic", i.e., any changes that you make on the desktop are written to it, in real time, as & when they're made. Thus, restoring from it will always recover the desktop exactly as it was at the point when it was backed-up. It stores not only the location of your background wallpaper, and the icons on it, but also the exact x/y co-ordinates of every one of those icons, too.

It's proved to be a real time-saver on more than one occasion.

It's simple enough to write a wee script that will recover to the standard PuppyPin file, and thus the 'standard' desktop. I can help with that if required.

Mike. ;)

Re: Recover Standard Desktop Icons.

Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2022 9:29 am
by April

OK Mike Thanks for noting that down .
Its funny . All fine one day with icons and background ,then all gone ,then I put a standard set up and a new wallpaper . All fixed ....except it keeps telling me it is fixing my menu at bootup. That takes 60 seconds or so to run through whatever it does. There does not seem to be any change.

Re: Recover Standard Desktop Icons.

Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2022 6:58 am
by April
mikewalsh wrote: ↑Sat Sep 10, 2022 11:29 pm

I have for years had a set of scripts, etc, that back-up my PuppyPin file to an external location. If things have "gone south" at the next boot, I have a Menu entry under Menu->Desktop that lets me recover from the saved PuppyPin file, then restarts "X", thereby restoring everything again.

I had a spell, some time back, when I kept losing all this at every boot; the PuppyPin file kept going AWOL. No ideas why; it eventually seemed to correct itself, doubtless due to some change I'd made elsewhere in the system. With a highly-customized desktop like mine, it's frustrating to have to set everything up again from scratch!

The thing to understand about the PuppyPin file is that it's "dynamic", i.e., any changes that you make on the desktop are written to it, in real time, as & when they're made. Thus, restoring from it will always recover the desktop exactly as it was at the point when it was backed-up. It stores not only the location of your background wallpaper, and the icons on it, but also the exact x/y co-ordinates of every one of those icons, too.

It's proved to be a real time-saver on more than one occasion.

It's simple enough to write a wee script that will recover to the standard PuppyPin file, and thus the 'standard' desktop. I can help with that if required.

Mike. ;)

Mike can I get a copy of that script . This seems to be a continuing occurrence now and its annoying and time wasteful trying to restart stuff. It just keeps wiping out . I'm wondering about that Opera Launch you put up a while back . Could something in there be doing this Mike?

Re: Recover Standard Desktop Icons.

Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2022 7:10 am
by April

Mike I'm pretty sure this is coming from your Opera Portable64. I've removed most of this to get the text size down but obviously something is writing to the Puppy Pin file continually.

Here is the content I see

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Re: Recover Standard Desktop Icons.

Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2022 12:31 am
by April

So Mike I put an icon on the desktop to launch the opera browser. Once I did that my system was going off into the stratosphere opening new entries in the script pages . Can't see the code so I can't say why but it must be fixed or it is unuseable as it locks up your machine and you must at least restart the graphics server and after a while will lock up the machine again.

It seems to be rewriting the line of the icon time and time again in some sort of loop.

Re: Recover Standard Desktop Icons.

Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2022 5:24 pm
by mikewalsh

@April :-

Well Mike you have gone to ground.

Huh. Unfortunately, I have one of those dreadfully boring things called "a life" OUTSIDE of these forums. ATM, it's demanding rather a lot of my time. Anyway; let's have a think about this.

You say:-

So Mike I put an icon on the desktop to launch the opera browser.

The first thing I need to ask is:-

Q:- HOW did you "put an icon on the desktop"? This may provide a clue to what's going on here.

I've tried out the Opera-portable on at least half-a-dozen Puppies, with and without savefiles/folders, adding a launcher to the desktop (ROX 'pinboard') in various different ways, and I CANNOT reproduce what's happening to your desktop.......not for lack of trying, either. For me, it always behaves itself and does what it's supposed to do.

So; I shall need an answer to the above question. Which may point us in the right direction (hopefully). It's hard to generate a fix for something when you can't reproduce the problem.

I can't quite work out what's happening, either. Is an additional icon being generated every time you launch the browser, or is this "creating new icons" happening continuously all the time you're browsing? If it's the latter, then I'm completely stumped, 'cos I've never, EVER heard of that happening. Doesn't mean to say it couldn't occur, but I wouldn't have a clue how to even analyze it, much less 'fix' it. To the best of my knowledge, nobody has reported anything like this for any of the 'portables' I produce. You're the only one.

Much of that side of Puppy operation is a mystery to me, as it perhaps is for many others. No secret; I don't understand the workings of ROX & JWM. I've never made it my mission to study them, the way some members have.....

Mike. :?

Re: How to recover standard desktop Icons?

Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2022 2:58 am
by April

The Launch program is in your file and its addressed to by the desktop link.
Opera/Opera-portable64/LAUNCH
It starts and loads normally but hits its problems very quickly .
When its happening you can open that Puppy Pin file above and its obviously still writing to the file at the same time as reading it.?
So there is a recurrent icon being added one after the other flat out.

My normal Opera runs fine under this...
/usr/lib/opera/opera.bin --no-sandbox works well

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