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Lately I am seeing extremely high CPU temps and loads running palemoon and on less than the most recent Firefox's. Chrome is suspect also of high loads and temps on what seem to be average sites.

Watching a video or just reading a page from a site like How-To-Geek CPU temps are way up in the red with fans screaming. What is going on? Is it the kernel running in this Bionic64? I am using a real time 4.19.82-rt30 which has up until now performed very well and did not exhibit these symptoms until recently.

Is anyone seeing something similar?

The sites may have bitcoin mining malware. I haven't seen it though, but my PCs are too feeble to do that kind of work.

Ah, don't ask me! Mine always remains at 27°C, or maybe even 27°F. Though I can touch the bottom of my laptop and say that it is exactly over 37°C (taking the normal body temperature). What else can you expect from a waste?!

Maybe worth getting your PC checked as well?

This is an Dell Optiplex 990 and only occurs running Bionic64-8.0 and this is recent. 2 months ago I could watch YouTube videos all day and not see any high temps or hard running fans. This is the latest palemoon. The kernel has been 4.19.82-rt30 for 2 years but only the last few weeks has this occurred.

Running Fossapup64, KLV-Airedale, WeeDog-Void or any older Puppy Linux like Tahr or Xenial (32 and 64 bit), on the DELL Optiplex 990 I do not see the same high CPU loads and temperatures while running browsers.

Dillo and Lynx run ice cold.

latest palemoon seem to be using more cpu than usual.
Maybe try a different kernel in bionic perhaps.?

I only briefly used bionic and it seemed to run ok but browsers are forever evolving and bloating out demanding higher spec machines.

Hi Rock,
Just ran a quick test on Bionic64 8.0 stock kernel viewing Youtube movie (same movie both test)

Hardware = Thinkpad x220, i5 dual core, 8gb ram

Palemoon 28.4 - cpu usage = 35%, temp 68c
Firefox 94 - cpu usage = 9%, temp 59c

Don't know why, but Palemoon taking lots more cpu.

wizard

Browsing and using a site like youtube pushes my laptop to the brink no matter what browser I'm using. It's all the crap running in the background...and the newer and more sophisticated your browser the more the chances that all the background crap of these resource hungry sites will be accessed.

@user1234 - temp app constantly showing 27 deg is default when NOT working - suggest you try appropriate .pet from here:
viewtopic.php?p=4697&sid=38df78ea6265f4 ... 817f#p4697

GENERAL NOTE: I use ScPup64-21.04 & am not noticing this temp rise - is this specific to Ubuntu derivatives?

rockedge wrote: ↑Fri May 20, 2022 5:19 pm

This is an Dell Optiplex 990 and only occurs running Bionic64-8.0 and this is recent. 2 months ago I could watch YouTube videos all day and not see any high temps or hard running fans. This is the latest palemoon. The kernel has been 4.19.82-rt30 for 2 years but only the last few weeks has this occurred.

Running Fossapup64, KLV-Airedale, WeeDog-Void or any older Puppy Linux like Tahr or Xenial (32 and 64 bit), on the DELL Optiplex 990 I do not see the same high CPU loads and temperatures while running browsers.

Dillo and Lynx run ice cold.

How many years old specifically? As you know, a PC older than 5 year itself is prone to many problems. Computer fan can get damaged, or stop working anyhow (don't know the causes), at any time. Try running your PC with any other puppy. In case they run well, then check your browser version as few browsers start eating more resources after updating.

All PCs seem to be 'quite recent' enough until it starts hanging like anything. I remember myself buying a new laptop 6-7 years earlier, but it still feels like 'quite recent' enough .

ozsouth wrote: ↑Sat May 21, 2022 12:12 am

@user1234 - temp app constantly showing 27 deg is default when NOT working - suggest you try appropriate .pet from here:
viewtopic.php?p=4697&sid=38df78ea6265f4 ... 817f#p4697

GENERAL NOTE: I use ScPup64-21.04 & am not noticing this temp rise - is this specific to Ubuntu derivatives?

Thanks for the link . Would try installing it today.

wizard wrote: ↑Fri May 20, 2022 9:45 pm

Hi Rock,
Just ran a quick test on Bionic64 8.0 stock kernel viewing Youtube movie (same movie both test)

Hardware = Thinkpad x220, i5 dual core, 8gb ram

Palemoon 28.4 - cpu usage = 35%, temp 68c
Firefox 94 - cpu usage = 9%, temp 59c

Don't know why, but Palemoon taking lots more cpu.

wizard

I found similar resource issues on my laptop long time back so stopped using Palemoon. I find Firefox okay, but actually Chromium (Arch build) appeared to use least resources on my machine, including with Youtube, but I haven't checked for a while and tend to happily use either Firefox or Chromium but I avoid Palemoon. I wonder what causes the additional resource usage (assuming it could be confirmed, which is never easy)?

As a reference point to start with.

What temp do you get looking at this forum?

Is Bionicpup64 fully updated using Quickpet -> Info -> Bionicpup updates?

Give us a specific web site to use for comparison by us.
YouTube main page

Pale Moon is up to version 31.0.0 so maybe that will make a difference with it.

Anything you specifically did just before you noticed the change in CPU temp?
Added programs, settings changed, graphics driver, default program changes, etc........?

Well, to eliminate something in the save being the issue.
Try booting not using the save.

wiak wrote: ↑Sat May 21, 2022 2:37 am

wizard wrote: ↑Fri May 20, 2022 9:45 pm

Hi Rock,
Just ran a quick test on Bionic64 8.0 stock kernel viewing Youtube movie (same movie both test)

Hardware = Thinkpad x220, i5 dual core, 8gb ram

Palemoon 28.4 - cpu usage = 35%, temp 68c
Firefox 94 - cpu usage = 9%, temp 59c

Don't know why, but Palemoon taking lots more cpu.

wizard

I found similar resource issues on my laptop long time back so stopped using Palemoon. I find Firefox okay, but actually Chromium (Arch build) appeared to use least resources on my machine, including with Youtube, but I haven't checked for a while and tend to happily use either Firefox or Chromium but I avoid Palemoon. I wonder what causes the additional resource usage (assuming it could be confirmed, which is never easy)?

In case you need a good looking but minimal browser, there is one named Waterfox. Looks pretty cool, though HTML 5 support is lower than that of Firefox. I would recommend it for very old PCs. It is my main browser.