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what about making vivaldi the standard browser? i used it for the last 3 pups its wery good imho - runs smooth and fast (much faster than palemoon - i dont care much about it sorry) and i rather like the layout. just a thought 
kindly Gnimmelf
@Gnimmelf
I have been using it on fossapup64 for the past week and it has significantly improved from my last visit to the browser which was version 3.7 on a 32bit pup.
The source code is out there to be viewed but it has heavy restrictions on it due to licensing so the browser cannot be classed as free and open source software..
Most linux users are predominantly exponents of FOSS and vivaldi does not satisfy the 4 freedoms and so will most likely not appear in linux repositries although manjaro i believe is hosting the browser.
Their interface is the closed source portion and the majority of the code is open sourced chromium and their forum does explain the reasoning for closing the interface code which seem valid.
it is a nice browser and the customisation is the best out there. 
what about making vivaldi the standard browser?
Hi Gnimmelf,
I used Vivaldi some time ago. It was fast, overall nice.
By my standards, it has too many features and configuration options (I like simple things ).
When Palemoon is the default browser, you can leave it where it is and add Vivaldi as the main browser.
Having two browsers can sometimes come in handy (so you have Palemoon available as a second browser for other specific purposes or in case Vivaldi has a problem for some reason).
Been testing vivaldi now for just under a week on fossapup and the bells and whistles are all nice bit i still think peebee's chromium 32bit builds smoke this into the ground.
Not sure i need all the bling and some features are not needed at all.
As you so bold I will share my opinion:
Puppy should have no default browser. Each distro should have its own page with a list of compatible downloadable browsers for that distro, like the Quickpet, including .sfs.
Pale Moon should be included in the distro .iso as a spot .sfs, an excellent lesson in how to use them. It suits the Puppy ethic and Firefox is falling behind these days with its bloat and incompatibility.
anecdote: Yesterday I tried to run 70s Opera 64Xenial by .sfs missing GLIB (2.29?). If either a working version were included on the 64Xenial download page, OR the last version known to work without extra dependencies were on the page, usage would not be trial-and-error surprises.
Of course advanced users can tweak an old distro to run current browsers; that's the cutoff.
The practice of looking for apps in a forum is too pro/serious hobbyist. Convenient browsers on a download page would draw users to Puppy.
Vivaldi is the best looking browser, and function is no detraction, though Opera and Brave VPN is foot-ahead competition.
It's largely aesthetic, and sometimes package completion. For example, one of my Chromiums crashes when I print to .pdf, but Chromium is always cobbled together from dependencies. Vivaldi as a complete package prints, though the .mhtml's kinda bug. I like the old .html + folder way of downloading pages.
The other big issue is behind-the-scenes privacy.
But one has to wonder, for basic browsing, why else do we need a commercialized package?
Thinking also of Iron recently. They did so little to the gui that it doesn't have much front-end significance besides 'the German Chrome'.
My top four desktop:
Brave - Tor feature
Chromium - the essence
Vivaldi - looks
Pale Moon - Chromium alternative + footprint
Okay i have persevered with vivaldi because i like to customise a browser plus given my age and my eyesight being not 100% i find the tab loading throbber found in other browsers kind of annoying..call it nitpicking if you wish but only pale moon and vivaldi give the ability to actually turn this annoyance off.
Firefox can be converted into a hourglass throbber but it is still kind of annoying.
Vivaldi is improving steadily and version 5 is certainly more stable than 3.7 which was the last version i visited on a 32bit pup.
Like Vivaldi on my FP64, today I installed the latest stable .deb from the vivaldi web site but later realized the audio from youtube videos would not play, so I loaded up the vivaldix64-5.0.sfs and everything works as usual. My favorite feature is the sync and keyboard shortcuts. 
https://start.me/p/ekaokP/test
did my own little research - as you can see vivaldi does rather vell - palemoon not so much and google chrome and chromium is at the top.
I understand the issues regarding open source and size etc - but i think that Vivaldi, google chrome or chromium would be very nice alternatives in puppy linux as default browsers?
slimjet and opera does well to - and i understand that its about taste and stuff, but it might be worthwhile to choose another option as the puppy browser! just an opinion
kindly Gnimmelf
@JASpup :-
JASpup wrote: ↑Thu Mar 10, 2022 6:13 amAs you so bold I will share my opinion:
Puppy should have no default browser. Each distro should have its own page with a list of compatible downloadable browsers for that distro, like the Quickpet, including .sfs.
Pale Moon should be included in the distro .iso as a spot .sfs, an excellent lesson in how to use them. It suits the Puppy ethic and Firefox is falling behind these days with its bloat and incompatibility.
anecdote: Yesterday I tried to run 70s Opera 64Xenial by .sfs missing GLIB (2.29?). If either a working version were included on the 64Xenial download page, OR the last version known to work without extra dependencies were on the page, usage would not be trial-and-error surprises.
Of course advanced users can tweak an old distro to run current browsers; that's the cutoff.
The practice of looking for apps in a forum is too pro/serious hobbyist. Convenient browsers on a download page would draw users to Puppy.
Vivaldi is the best looking browser, and function is no detraction, though Opera and Brave VPN is foot-ahead competition.
Oh, Christ. Here we go.....again. Full of brilliant ideas which you yourself have no intention of ever implementing, yet always happy to suggest work for others to undertake.
This has been suggested.....several times over the years. It's been implemented.....more than once. And every time, it's petered-out due to members losing interest, "moving-on", and repos being allowed to lapse.
It's a fact that very few browsers will install, and work in Puppy, "as-is", from their official packages. You know this full well; viz, your own experiments with browsers.
Invariably, this is going to mean setting up a repo dedicated to Puppy-specific browser packages. Great; super idea. Now; here's the sting in the tail. Browsers need constant updating; it's the one area where keeping up with releases IS essential. Who's going to undertake to maintain it, on a permanent, on-going basis.....bearing in mind that a reasonable selection is going to be required, hmm..?
You?? (*snigger.....splutter*) Yeah...ri-i-ight. 
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This is only possible for larger mainstream distros because they have dedicated teams who undertake to do this.....and tend to have a far larger user-base 'pool' from which to draw anyway. Some of them even get paid for their trouble.
Those of us in Puppyland who provide browser packages - and often, much more besides - do so as a service to the community. Because we want to.....not because there's some obligation in effect, or because we feel we HAVE to. And those of us who do this stuff are usually busy enough anyway, without undertaking to pile even more on our plates.
We DO have a life outside these forums. This is a hobby - granted, for some they are able to dedicate more time to it than others, it's true - but there's only 24 hours in the day. And in that 24 hours we all need to sleep, many have to hold down a job, there's family commitments.....the list goes on. And on.
Nobody in this community, who understands the community, and respects others in the community, would even dream of suggesting things that will lead to more-or-less full-time commitment from others. You've already made yourself a laughing-stock over at Linux Questions; carry on here, as you are, if you want to be regarded in the same vein. TBone, in particular, has made it his mission in life to take the piss out of the forum idiots. I have never seen anyone give him so much ammunition as you do. Every time you open your mouth you put your foot in it.
(Hide like a rhinoceros, and only hear what you want to hear. Can't have a sensible debate with you, because every response is off at an oblique tangent. It's impossible to help you, because you will NEVER supply the requested information.....and you have this "impossible dream" that Puppy is going to miraculously transform itself, overnight, into a clone of Linux Mint..! ) 
Putting your brain in gear before opening your mouth might help everybody else, y'know? Think about what you're waffling on about before setting finger to keyboard. Remember; Puppy is a "do-ocracy". If you feel so strongly about it, why don't YOU do something about it? Nobody's stopping you..!
I'm outta here.....before I say things I'm going to regret.
Mike. 
it was newer my intention to do any sort of harm with my first post - and im sorry for any harm done! i was just curious, and wanted to contribute with my findings. I am not able to contribute with other stuff, since im not a tech wiz
kind regards Gnimmelf
@Gnimmelf :-
Ah, you've got nothing to apologise for, my friend. A certain individual on here - who shall remain nameless, but is always complaining about something - just got under my skin the other day. Staff shouldn't explode at members like that, it's true, but said individual just cannot help putting his foot in it every time he opens his mouth; he seems to think that all Puppy's "issues" will be solved if it remakes itself into a clone of the mainstream "big boys".
Which is completely missing the whole point of what Puppy's really about....
(*shrug*)
Mike. 