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Corbevax is a protein subunit COVID-19 vaccine
The vaccine is not patented and is planned to be openly licensed under COVAX
As of December 2021, Biological E announced positive results, but some experts criticized the lack of public data from phase III trials
On 28 December 2021, India approved the vaccine for emergency use
In January 2022 the scientists developing Corbevax have declared no G7 countries were yet funding the open source vaccine

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corbevax

It's great that they've made it patent free. The likes of Pfizer and Moderna and others fighting over:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... scientists

Patent wars over mRNA vaccines have recently heated up. Moderna and the National Institutes of Health are in a dispute over who should get credit for specific discoveries that led to a Covid-19 vaccine which has been delivered to more than 73 million Americans.

At the same time, activists have called for Pfizer and Moderna to share the technology and knowhow for producing their vaccines, including taking the fight to the World Trade Organization. Low-income countries, which have few vaccine research and production facilities, have vaccinated just one in nine people, according to the World Health Organization. The US has fully vaccinated 67% of the population and provided a third vaccine dose to more than one-third.
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Bottazzi said the reason she and her team did not patent the vaccine was because of her team’s shared philosophy of humanitarianism and to engage in collaboration with the wider scientific community.

“We want to do good in the world. This was the right thing to do and this is what we morally had to do. We didn’t even blink. We didn’t think, ‘how can we take advantage of this?’ You see now that if more like us would have been more attuned to how the world is so inequitable and how we could have helped from the beginning so many places around the world without thinking ‘what’s going to be in it for me?’, we could have basically not even seen these variants arise.”

Only worry would be if 'Low income' countries end with raw deal of only getting not-so-good vaccines. However, maybe Pfizer and Moderna are no better or over-rated, and perhaps even more dangerous though none of us of course cannot judge any of that.

Corbevax sounds promising, and it is certainly true that the world's huge covid problem in terms of newer more dangerous variants might never have happened if the rich Western countries hadn't been so patent-protecting and also greedy. It is the usual story, but all of us suffer because of it this time round. It has certainly been a case of greed over-coming intelligent best-for-everyone decision-making more generally.

wiak wrote: Thu Feb 24, 2022 2:56 am

if the rich Western countries hadn't been so patent-protecting and also greedy.

That's why they are rich Why change something if you're at the top of the food chain? It seems that only a meteorite from the sky once worked with dinosaurs

Grey wrote: Thu Feb 24, 2022 3:13 am

wiak wrote: Thu Feb 24, 2022 2:56 am

if the rich Western countries hadn't been so patent-protecting and also greedy.

That's why they are rich Why change something if you're at the top of the food chain? It seems that only a meteorite from the sky once worked with dinosaurs

All of them are just normal humans though - they aren't even the educated knowledgable people who are the actual people inventing the new medicines. Those rich company owners/managers are just rich and richer world businessmen and women - their fear is that if the people 'wake up' to their diabolical greed and theft they can be turned upon by the masses and put immediately into jail and the key to their cell thrown away. When the French King was told the people had no bread and said they could just 'eat cake' he was perhaps a bit surprised that the people did somehow wake up and the French Revolution resulted in he and his family being dragged out of their ivory towers to have their heads guillotined off - his 'power and riches' became pretty much irrelevant to him then I suppose. Well, he lost the 'power' bit and the loss of everything else immediately followed... The difficulty for society then becomes: who will be the next 'king'...

We have cracked Moderna's code so we'll just make our own mRNA vaccine. https://www.reuters.com/world/africa/wo ... 022-02-03/

"We haven't copied Moderna, we've developed our own processes because Moderna didn't give us any technology," Petro Terblanche, managing director at Afrigen, told Reuters.

"We started with the Moderna sequence because that gives, in our view, the best starting material. But this is not Moderna’s vaccine, it is the Afrigen mRNA hub vaccine," Terblanche said.

Seems the "Vaccines" applied here in Europe/Germany do not really work..(against Covid)......they are now planning/announcing three Times Perma Vaccinations annually.
More and more Covid Cases in multiple vaccinated People.
Seems it probably will not be Covid which is going to kill or harm us in the long Term.....it could possibly be the "Vaccines" and the Conspirators behind Covid.... which will do it in the near or far Future.

But only Time will tell the Truth.......not our Governments.

Stay healthy!

backi wrote: Thu Feb 24, 2022 7:51 am

Seems the "Vaccines" applied here in Europe/Germany do not really work..(against Covid)......they are now planning/announcing three Times Perma Vaccinations annually.
Seems it probably will not be Covid which is going to kill or harm us.....it could possibly be the "Vaccines".... which could do it in the near or far Future.

But only Time will tell the Truth.......not our Governments.

Stay healthy!

What happens now in New Zealand will actually be a good 'testing ground'. The population here has almost no previous exposure to Covid of any variation and thus hardly any deaths at all, but the percentage of fully vaccinated and boosted is now very high (via Pfizer) and Omicron has now invaded the community and daily cases rising rapidly (as they have done all around the world). We will therefore see if vaccinations do indeed reduce need to go to hospital and the death rate from Covid. That statistic cannot be determined from what happened in USA and Europe - people were not vaccinated in advance on the whole, so hospital overload became inevitable. Of course I'm hoping vaccines work, though I certainly do not like putting chemicals like that into my body - let's see what the NZ soon to come future statistics tell... If life with Covid here proves relatively unproblematic, then naysayers about vaccines will have to eat their words; if it becomes just as bad as elsewhere then I'll certainly then have doubts about constant further vaccinations.

Have a look at Israel......highest Vaccination Rate in the world......i urge you to inform you well.

Israel’s COVID death toll crosses 10,000 as fifth wave wanes

https://www.timesofisrael.com/topic/coronavirus/

Despite Vaccination or maybe because of Vaccination........who really knows.?...."THEY" never would tell.

But i am not really sure if these "Informations" are really true or just "Fear-Porn" Panic Propaganda.........These are Times you can`t believe anything anymore.

South Africa is a good example because only 36% of the population has been fully vaccinated (more have had one shot already) and the Omicron variant was also identified here first. Almost all our deaths and serious hospitalizations were that of unvaccinated people.

@amethyst wrote:

Almost all our deaths and serious hospitalizations were unvaccinated people.

As i said:
These are Times you can`t believe anything anymore.....and this is what i have learned and personally do.
Since when did "They" stop lying.

backi wrote: Thu Feb 24, 2022 8:09 am

Have a look at Israel......highest Vaccination Rate in the world......i urge you to inform you well.

Israel’s COVID death toll crosses 10,000 as fifth wave wanes

https://www.timesofisrael.com/topic/coronavirus/

Despite Vaccination or maybe because of Vaccination........who really knows.?...."THEY" never would tell.

But i am not really sure if these "Informations" are really true or just "Fear-Porn" Panic Propaganda.........These are Times you can`t believe anything anymore.

Israel is a small country and last time I checked about 60% of their population was fully vaxed (some having had more than one booster shot already). Their government is pushing for even more vaccinations, do you think they would be that stupid if it is not working?

backi wrote: Thu Feb 24, 2022 8:22 am

@amethyst wrote:

Almost all our deaths and serious hospitalizations were unvaccinated people.

As i said:
These are Times you can`t believe anything anymore.

These are official verified stats verified by the hospitals and the medical councils....but then again, anti-vaxxers do not trust anything even if you give it to them black on white. So it generally turns out to be a pointless discussion.

Then tell me why is n`t it working.
Lot`s of Contradictions and Nonlogic.
You are arguing like a diehard religious Fanatic.
Like Jehovas Witness do.
Fact resistant.
But Time will tell.....not "religious" Fanatism" .

So i tell you frankly @amethyst ...... since you are trying to blame/denounce me as an "AntiVaxxer" in an unfair Way.... i am not really interested in any Conversation with you any longer.

backi wrote: Thu Feb 24, 2022 8:32 am

Then tell me why is n`t it working.
Lot`s of Contradictions and Nonlogic.
You are arguing like a diehard religious Fanatic.
Like Jehovas Witness do.
Fact resistant.
But Time will tell.....not "religious" Fanatism" .

So i tell you frankly @amethyst ...... since you are trying to blame/denounce me as an "AntiVaxxer" in an unfair Way.... i am not really interested in any Conversation with you any longer.

Shame, playing the victim again. It's a futile exercise to further a conversation with anti-vaxxers (all anti-vaxxers not only you) who do not accept or trust official, scientifical proven statistics. Waste of time.

how do you know the vaccine works.?
it is like putting armour on your army with no battlefield to test it's effectiveness.

Cure for the common cold.?..nope but we all of a sudden have a vaccine for this new betacoronavirus variant.

Death figures in hospitals and carehomes will be woefully inaccurate.
Everyone in hospital only dies of covid.???.

British public were never given national death rates prior to 2020 and so what figures are available to compare from previous years.?

@amethyst wrote:

Shame, playing the victim again. It's a futile exercise to further a conversation with anti-vaxxers (all anti-vaxxers not only you) who do not accept or trust official, scientifical proven statistics. Waste of time.

Running out of Arguments?

I regard your Comment just as your public Admission of total moral and intellectual Bankruptcy.

The last Thing i will do is "trust the Government" and "official" Statistics.

Have a nice Day........and happy Vaxxing......Lol.

backi wrote: Thu Feb 24, 2022 11:28 am

@amethyst wrote:

Shame, playing the victim again. It's a futile exercise to further a conversation with anti-vaxxers (all anti-vaxxers not only you) who do not accept or trust official, scientifical proven statistics. Waste of time.

Running out of Arguments?

I regard your Comment just as your public Admission of total moral and intellectual Bankruptcy.

The last Thing i will do is "trust the Government".

Have a nice Day........and happy Vaxxing......Lol.

You seem to be getting a bit dramatic, aggressive (going on personal attacks) and all worked up. backi down.

Right, guys, that is ENOUGH. This is turning into the usual crap-shoot, and is just not acceptable behaviour. As is so often the case, the whole shebang is down to just two people, having a pop at each other.....both of whom, unsurprisingly, just HAVE to have the "last word", and so it goes round & round in circles, ad nauseam.

Backi / amethyst; do be aware that this sort of thing forces the staff to take notice, especially when we start receiving reports. This takes our attention away from the stuff that matters, which is ensuring a quality experience for ALL members. This isn't personal.....simply current operating policy. TBH, it must be getting bad when the OP PMs us, asking us to delete his thread.....

Tone it down please, guys. This sort of thing will NOT be tolerated.

Thread LOCKED.

Mike.