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Here's the 8th topic in the Helping new users series

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wizard

********************************Draft220223 Installing to an UEFI Internal Drive*************************
This has been submitted as a .DOC since its contains more images than the forums 3 image limit.

When you are done you should have only one partition named: unallocated.

The unallocated area is not a partition.
It is space on the drive not being used for anything.
It is unallocated space.

When installing the boot loader using the boot button in Frugalpup Installer.
The purpose of making the first partition (sda1) is to put the boot loader on it.
That is what needs to be selected as location to put the boot loader. (sda1)
Most UEFI bios expect to find the boot loader on the first partition and some UEFI will look no other place for it.

About the flag for the first partition.
boot, esp
All bios will see boot as location of boot loader.
UEFI bios may also be looking for esp flag.
No problem using both flags.

Note:
' esp ' (MS-DOS, GPT) - this flag identifies a UEFI System Partition. On GPT it is an alias for boot.
A drive using a GPT partition table needs to have esp flag to indicate boot partition.

Only the frugal install of the Puppy version should need to be on the 2nd partition.
It needs no flag.

You are assuming Frugalpup Installer is in whatever Puppy version is booted from a CD or USB.
Some versions will not have it.

But Frugalpup Installer can be downloaded and added before doing the install.
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Note:
In deleting what is on the drive.
You can make a new partition table. (msdos or gpt)
When you do that, everything on the drive is deleted.
All space is now unallocated and ready to make into partition(s).

( I do this, because it gives you a fresh clean partition table to start with.
Deleting partitions only deletes the info for the partition from the partition table, maybe).

@bigpup

Hi Big,

The unallocated area is not a partition.
It is space on the drive not being used for anything.
It is unallocated space.

You know it and I know it, but Gparted still list unallocated in the Partition column. In the interest of instruction clarity, rather explaining that point, I just referenced it as "unallocated partition".

Note:
' esp ' (MS-DOS, GPT) - this flag identifies a UEFI System Partition. On GPT it is an alias for boot.
A drive using a GPT partition table needs to have esp flag to indicate boot partition.

Only the frugal install of the Puppy version should need to be on the 2nd partition.
It needs no flag.

EDIT: The instructions are correct. Choosing the boot flag on sda1 automatically sets the flag to boot, esp.

But Frugalpup Installer can be downloaded and added before doing the install.
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The first note at the top of the howto:

This topic assumes you are using one of the recommended distros or remasters

Because we have so many Puppy iterations we have to do a lot of qualifying in instructions, then tell the user to ask in the forum for exceptions.

Great idea to include the link to add it if needed.

Note:
In deleting what is on the drive.
You can make a new partition table. (msdos or gpt)
When you do that, everything on the drive is deleted.
All space is now unallocated and ready to make into partition(s).

Probably a good idea, will revisit and see if it complicates the procedure.

Thanks
wizard

EDIT: The instructions are correct. Choosing the boot flag on sda1 automatically sets the flag to boot, esp.

Yes if the partition table is GPT.

If the partition table is MSDOS
You have to choose each flag.
Boot flag will only give you boot.

You know it and I know it, but Gparted still list unallocated in the Partition column. In the interest of instruction clarity, rather explaining that point, I just referenced it as "unallocated partition".

OK.
I will let you explain why they cannot format an unallocated partition?

Yes, someone will ask

@bigpup

I will let you explain why they cannot format an unallocated partition?

Yes, someone will ask

They will
wizard's rule #1 "You can't out guess the users"

Thanks
wizard

@bigpup

Hi Big, take a look at the .doc file in the first post. Think it covers your suggestions.

Thanks
wizard

Not sure if it is the .doc file or what I am using to view it.

A couple of lines of text are in the wrong place.
Example:

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A suggestion.
You start out with images of using Frugalpup Installer, but then just have very basic statements.
I would provide images showing everything that happens, during the process of using the installer.

when making the folder that the frugal install is going to be in.
I always give it the name of the Puppy version I am installing.
If I install multiple installs of different Puppy versions.
Makes it easy to understand which Puppy version is in which folder.
But, I guess this is about only having one Puppy version installed.

@bigpup

Not sure if it is the .doc file or what I am using to view it.

Running fossa64 9.5
They're created in Libre Writer and checked in Abiword. About all I can do is try to put more margin between the image and the text.

You start out with images of using Frugalpup Installer, but then just have very basic statements.
I would provide images showing everything that happens, during the process of using the installer.

Point well taken, but doing so would triple or quadruple the number of images. That becomes a nightmare for @rockedge to move and convert into the Getting Started and System Requirements sections. Trying to keep it to just the bare necessities.

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wizard

I remember the full installation guide for a frugal Puppy 412 put together on the old forums by, I believe, catdude. Something like nearly 50 half-page images. All fully illustrated, yes, but you have to think of the hit any server is going to take on just one post alone when they're like that.....

And then you have to take into consideration the number of lazy people who just reply to everything by hitting the 'Quote' button, every time. It only takes half-a-dozen folks doing this sorta thing, and my God! the bandwidth rapidly spirals out of control...

The balance comes from keeping a professional appearance, yet keeping a lid on the size & complexity, too. It's a fine line. This is where external image hosting comes in very useful, because for every image it's just a link.....and those are no size at all.

(*shrug*)

Mike.

@rockedge

One error near the bottom, change this line from:

make the save file (see README-1ST.doc)

to

make the save file or folder (best choice)

Thanks
wizard