Discussion, talk and tips
https://forum.puppylinux.com/
Two big items; a complete recompile in OpenEmbedded and a return to SeaMonkey.
Blog announcement:
https://bkhome.org/news/202112/easyos-v ... eased.html
As can be seen in the 3.1.13 thread, there are some hardware issues. I will try to look into those sometime in the future. For now though, moving into holiday mode -- expect holiday photos on the blog instead of EasyOS news for awhile.
Testers are most welcome!
just a note, that if seamonkey has problems again, it was pointed out to me that waterfox (waterfox.net) may be a usefull alternative to firefox, apparently can say it's firefox, chrome or opera.
downloading 3.1.15...
Updated to 3.1.15. Back with Seamonkey appears to be working very well, except for youtube. On first run, it is taking about 7 seconds to my home page displayed. Subsequent executions are about 3 seconds.
I am not able to view youtube. After several page refreshes I only see what is displayed in the screenshot (screenshot has been cut down for posting). The youtube page has remained the same while I created this post.
Clean install of EasyOS 3.1.15 - not an upgrade
I launched PETget to install git-2.24.3-r6 and it shows as (ALREADY INSTALLED) but the package is not actually installed.
I installed the package and git works fine.
I uninstalled git and it uninstalls OK, but PETget still shows it as (ALREADY INSTALLED)
TerryH wrote: ↑Wed Dec 15, 2021 3:23 amUpdated to 3.1.15. Back with Seamonkey appears to be working very well, except for youtube. On first run, it is taking about 7 seconds to my home page displayed. Subsequent executions are about 3 seconds.
I am not able to view youtube. After several page refreshes I only see what is displayed in the screenshot (screenshot has been cut down for posting). The youtube page has remained the same while I created this post.
Did you see the blog post on setting the useragent? As you have done an update, you will have to manually adjust the useragent.
rudyt wrote: ↑Wed Dec 15, 2021 4:31 amClean install of EasyOS 3.1.15 - not an upgrade
I launched PETget to install git-2.24.3-r6 and it shows as (ALREADY INSTALLED) but the package is not actually installed.
I installed the package and git works fine.
I uninstalled git and it uninstalls OK, but PETget still shows it as (ALREADY INSTALLED)
Yes, that's an awkward one. That happens because git is in the devx sfs. Most users would load the devx if they want git.
The pups have the same problem, at least they used to, don't know about now.
Any package installed in the devx will be listed by the ppm as already installed.
BarryK wrote: ↑Wed Dec 15, 2021 5:46 amTerryH wrote: ↑Wed Dec 15, 2021 3:23 amUpdated to 3.1.15. Back with Seamonkey appears to be working very well, except for youtube. On first run, it is taking about 7 seconds to my home page displayed. Subsequent executions are about 3 seconds.
I am not able to view youtube. After several page refreshes I only see what is displayed in the screenshot (screenshot has been cut down for posting). The youtube page has remained the same while I created this post.
Did you see the blog post on setting the useragent? As you have done an update, you will have to manually adjust the useragent.
Thank you, I will adjust the useragent.
if you want to use samba, we have a couple of fixes:
BarryK wrote: ↑Wed Dec 15, 2021 5:50 amYes, that's an awkward one. That happens because git is in the devx sfs. Most users would load the devx if they want git.
The pups have the same problem, at least they used to, don't know about now.
Any package installed in the devx will be listed by the ppm as already installed.
Ahhh, makes perfect sense now. I don't use DEVX as I mainly do shell and Python scripting these days. I need git and python3-pip and both of those show as ALREADY INSTALLED. Now that I know why. Thanks.
Not sure if your using the default yocto-qt5 which usually failed for me, however this one https://github.com/meta-qt5/meta-qt5 ( a couple of releases back) built for me with 2.9 (dunfell), haven't tried it with the 3.x.x series yet though.
scsijon wrote: ↑Fri Dec 17, 2021 2:38 amNot sure if your using the default yocto-qt5 which usually failed for me, however this one https://github.com/meta-qt5/meta-qt5 ( a couple of releases back) built for me with 2.9 (dunfell), haven't tried it with the 3.x.x series yet though.
Yeah, that's where I got my meta-qt5 from, the 'dunfell' branch. I see that they also have a 'dunfell-next' branch.
I'm taking another look at it. It would be much better to be using qt5 rather than qt4.
@BarryK
While members of this forum are tearing their hearts out trying to build a “community” version of Puppy, we are witnessing the evolution of this project initially created by you.
BarryK wrote: ↑Fri Dec 17, 2021 2:43 pmscsijon wrote: ↑Fri Dec 17, 2021 2:38 amNot sure if your using the default yocto-qt5 which usually failed for me, however this one https://github.com/meta-qt5/meta-qt5 ( a couple of releases back) built for me with 2.9 (dunfell), haven't tried it with the 3.x.x series yet though.
Yeah, that's where I got my meta-qt5 from, the 'dunfell' branch. I see that they also have a 'dunfell-next' branch.
I'm taking another look at it. It would be much better to be using qt5 rather than qt4.
Success with Qt5!
I have just built Easy 3.1.16 with Scribus and Vym, to play with, "in-house", not yet released.
BologneChe wrote: ↑Sat Dec 18, 2021 3:15 am@BarryK
While members of this forum are tearing their hearts out trying to build a “community” version of Puppy, we are witnessing the evolution of this project initially created by you.
Yeah, but EasyOS does not qualify as a contender for "next generation" Puppy. Lots of innovative ideas, but also not really forward-looking. For example, I love gtk2 and staying with that as long as possible.
dimkr's work is looking like the best hope for the next-gen Puppy.
But one observation: a Puppy can be built with any binary packages, so all that work I have done on the Dunfell-series of OpenEmbedded, compiling all packages from source, could be the binary packages used to build a pup. That's a separate thing from EasyOS.
I keep those binary packages online:
http://distro.ibiblio.org/easyos/amd64/ ... e/dunfell/
...haven't uploaded the latest qt5 pkgs yet.
While members of this forum are tearing their hearts out trying to build a “community” version of Puppy, we are witnessing the evolution of this project initially created by you.
Channeling the spirits that drove the creation of the original Puppy Linux. Time does not stand still and the experimentation of possibilities and ideas in an actual nuts and bolts way is a sure sign that Puppy Linux stands strong, with no fear of the future.
It's mostly just fun to try out stuff and just maybe a time traveling Puppy will materialize.
rockedge wrote: ↑Sat Dec 18, 2021 3:00 pmWhile members of this forum are tearing their hearts out trying to build a “community” version of Puppy, we are witnessing the evolution of this project initially created by you.
Channeling the spirits that drove the creation of the original Puppy Linux. Time does not stand still and the experimentation of possibilities and ideas in an actual nuts and bolts way is a sure sign that Puppy Linux stands strong, with no fear of the future.
It's mostly just fun to try out stuff and just maybe a time traveling Puppy will materialize.
Well, I'm sure someone is or will be building a next generation Puppy, but why does everyone keep saying that Kernel Linux is an attempt to build a new Puppy; it is not a Puppy at all but a hybrid forum distro so may use some Puppy parts, but not necessarily many (in this particular KLV mainly kernel and probably various Puppy app/utilities and DebianDog app/utilities, and so on). Totally different from Puppy in the sense anyway that it uses official upstream package manager. No reason at all KL might not take some idea from EasyOS too (the way containers are implemented, for example), - if anyone cares to do so, though more likely to use lightweight containers from Void Linux - all these distros are opensource licensed.
peebee's voidpup32, influenced by KLV, is currently deviating from traditional Puppy in that it is using official upstream package manager, but it is clearly a Puppy when you run it otherwise. Funny thing is, however, if you keep installing Void Linux apps with it, it could grow closer and closer to the root filesystem of KLV-airedale (and vice versa) - maybe employing runit instead of busybox init and so on. Perhaps voidpup32 is an attempt to produce a Puppy next generation, but I doubt that thought is uppermost in anyone's mind, and dimkr has taken some ideas from elsewhere too, to try and get away from the limitations of alphabetic naming of sfs modules, albeit implemented only some aspects/modified and in C. KLV is just fun and hopefully educational trying alternative approaches so, no-one need worry, or try and talk any distro creation work down or up.
Hey!
I am playing with Easy Os on my new laptop. When using OBS-portable from @mikewalsh on another laptop with GeForse video, everything worked fine. On a new laptop video Intell Graphic. And unfortunately OBS throws an error:
Failed ti initialize video. Your GPU may not be supported, or your graphics drivers may nedd to be updated
Please help fix the error.
P.S. I am writing in this thread, since the problem is probably not with the OBS program, but with the drivers in the video
Edit: Hmm, I noticed the same error in Fossa Pup
From Dmitry (Russia)
@Maybe
I suspect that the hardware is not supported by the video driver, so it falls back to the vesa driver.
Vesa does not use much, if any, hardware acceleration.
No hardware acceleration means that the cpu does most of the work that the video card should be doing.
Vesa is more limited than the Nvidia, Intel, and Radeon drivers.
What are the results of pasting these commands in a terminal?
lspci -nnk | grep -i vga -A3 | grep -e 'in use' -e VGA
xrandr --listproviders
tail /var/log/Xorg.0.log
With Linux, older hardware is better supported by older kernels,
and newer hardware is better supported by newer kernels.
williams2 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 8:02 pm@Maybe
I suspect that the hardware is not supported by the video driver, so it falls back to the vesa driver.
Vesa does not use much, if any, hardware acceleration.
No hardware acceleration means that the cpu does most of the work that the video card should be doing.
Vesa is more limited than the Nvidia, Intel, and Radeon drivers.What are the results of pasting these commands in a terminal?
lspci -nnk | grep -i vga -A3 | grep -e 'in use' -e VGA
xrandr --listproviders
tail /var/log/Xorg.0.logWith Linux, older hardware is better supported by older kernels,
and newer hardware is better supported by newer kernels.
Hello @williams2
00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [3000]: Intell Corporation Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:0046] (rev 02)
Providers: number : 1
Provider 0: id: 0x45 cap: 0xf, Source Output, Sink Output, Source Offload, Sink Offload crtcs: 2 outputs associated providers: 0 name:modesetting
r[ 46.330] (**) Option "xkb_layout" "us,ru"
[ 46.330] (**) Option "xkb_options" "grp:alt_shift_toggle"
[ 696.245] (II) modeset(0): EDID vendor "LEN", prod id 16401
[ 696.245] (II) modeset(0): Printing DDC gathered Modelines:
[ 696.245] (II) modeset(0): Modeline "1280x800"x0.0 69.30 1280 1328 1360 1403 800 803 809 821 -hsync -vsync (49.4 kHz eP)
[ 696.245] (II) modeset(0): Modeline "1280x800"x0.0 57.59 1280 1328 1360 1403 800 803 809 821 -hsync -vsync (41.0 kHz e)
[ 696.248] (II) modeset(0): EDID vendor "LEN", prod id 16401
[ 696.248] (II) modeset(0): Printing DDC gathered Modelines:
[ 696.248] (II) modeset(0): Modeline "1280x800"x0.0 69.30 1280 1328 1360 1403 800 803 809 821 -hsync -vsync (49.4 kHz eP)
[ 696.248] (II) modeset(0): Modeline "1280x800"x0.0 57.59 1280 1328 1360 1403 800 803 809 821 -hsync -vsync (41.0 kHz e)
Maybe wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 4:39 amHey!
I am playing with Easy Os on my new laptop. When using OBS-portable from @mikewalsh on another laptop with GeForse video, everything worked fine. On a new laptop video Intell Graphic. And unfortunately OBS throws an error:
Failed ti initialize video. Your GPU may not be supported, or your graphics drivers may nedd to be updated
Please help fix the error.
P.S. I am writing in this thread, since the problem is probably not with the OBS program, but with the drivers in the video
Edit: Hmm, I noticed the same error in Fossa Pup
From Dmitry (Russia)
I see in the other thread, it wants qt 5.15:
I have very recently added qt5 to easyos, but it is 5.14.2, but perhaps that s still ok. I'm interested, will have a go at compiling obs, but probably not immediately, as on the cusp of being on holiday.
Maybe in about a week.