Discussion: Where should UPup32 go next?

[peebee]

12-Oct-2021 Apply delta to RC0 to produce RC4

73aa7b54403f19d473adf55e72b16c82 ImpishPup32-21.10-RC4.iso

Official wallpaper and lots of updates since RC0

[peebee]

The codename for next year’s Ubuntu 22.04 LTS release has been revealed as ‘Jammy Jellyfish’.

A repo has been established and so far 32-bit support looks comparable to Impish Indri but these are early days and things could change.

[JASpup]

The +D pups are creations with real potential a lot of people won't see because they're 32-bit. It is good to have it maintained but it feels like the effort has out-ran our hardware.

I booted 64-bit LXQt to see how it looks but also use mounting PCManFM and Thunar. LXQt's pcmanfm-qt was new to me. For just partitions I would skip LXQt for lighter LxPup in JWM (user hack).

There may be some backend advantages, but Puppy JWM has evolved to look better than LXQt imo. Maybe it has other window support? LXQt is fast and snappy like JWM, I'll give it that.

The Puppy Grail desktop now is 64-bit XFCE Upup with Whisker default.

I am still using Battleshooter Xenial though it is not happy with a user manual Whisker install. I found no uninstall option for LibreOffice also, so it really is a customization. WYSIWYSW (...you're stuck with - not a big fan of manual removal)

I probably do not need > 100mb of any app in ram all the time that isn't used frequently.

Imp and the two before operate a little differently than full Upups and would take a commitment for regular use, but they look great.

[peebee]

JammyPup32 RC

[peebee]

Ubuntu 22.10 Kinetic Kudu is due for release on October 20, 2022

https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2022/04/ubu ... netic-kudu

http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/ ... nary-i386/

[peebee]

KineticPup32-22.10+nPRE PRE-RELEASE is available for testing

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[Clarity]

Hoping that there will be a 64bit version companion, as well.

And hoping that, like the Ubuntu distro, UPup will contain @01Micko's SAMBA component, as well.

Discovery, research, installation and verification is a NIGHTMARE for the many of us who have Home networks with multiple family members with varied OSes. PPM has issues, too. All of this has been thrust upon our users, now. This was not the case until someone started a 'war' on SAMBA in the Puppy community.

[greengeek]

KineticPup32-22.10+0PRE PRE-RELEASE is available for testing

Just gave this a try on a Toshiba Satellite Pro S500 but unfortunately it seemed to hand during booting with a message saying "probing EDD".

It gave me the advice to try "edd=off" so I added that to my kernel line but then it hung during boot with flashing cursor.

This is my menu.lst entry:

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title Puppy Kinetic32_peebee (sda2/Kinetic32_peebee)
  uuid 2941d455-af2b-4da3-b9cf-182678fe7eb9
  kernel /Kinetic32_peebee/vmlinuz   psubdir=Kinetic32_peebee pmedia=atahd pfix=fsck edd=off
  initrd /Kinetic32_peebee/initrd.gz

(Based on what I use successfully for multiple other puppies)

Will try some other machines too...

[amethyst]

i915
Intel. Run Pup-SysInfo for a base report.

[peebee]

Just gave this a try on a Toshiba Satellite Pro S500 but unfortunately it seemed to hand during booting with a message saying "probing EDD".

That is probably related to the Github Kernel-kit 5.15.67 kernel.......... @dimkr

Where and on what kind of media is your install? and how formatted is the partition?

Can you swap in a kernel you know works (just copy and rename the vmlinuz and zdrv....... if you could try the 5.10 kernel from JammyPup32 that would be great.

[greengeek]

i915
Intel. Run Pup-SysInfo for a base report.

Does "base report" have another name? Couldnt see it in the menu.
EDIT - is this the one you mean?

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Display Specifications:
• Monitor VertRefresh: 60.2 times/s
• Screen Dimensions: 1366x768 pixels (361x203 millimeters)
• Screen Depth: 24 bits (planes)

Xorg Startup Log (/var/log/Xorg.0.log):
• Xorg Driver in use: intel
• Loaded Modules: dbe dri2 fbdevhw glx kbd mouse synaptics
• X.Org version: 1.15.1

OpenGL 2D/3D Rendering:
• Direct Rendering: Yes
• Vendor: Intel Open Source Technology Center
• Renderer: Mesa DRI Intel(R) Ironlake Mobile x86/MMX/SSE2
• Version: 2.1 Mesa 10.1.3

VGA controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:0046] (rev 02)
• Kernel Driver: i915
• Memory Used: 599.78 KB
• Path: /lib/modules/3.14.79/kernel/drivers/gpu/drm/i915/i915.ko
• Description: Intel Graphics

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That is probably related to the Github Kernel-kit 5.15.67 kernel.......... @dimkr

Where and on what kind of media is your install? and how formatted is the partition?

Using the original internal HDD that came with the laptop:
- Removed Windows from hard drive
- HDD partitioned as per pic:

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- Manually installed Kinetic pup frugally into /sda2/Kinetic32_peebee (used Tahr32 to do this)
- Manually added the following stanza into menu.lst on sda1 (copied/modified this from the other menu.lst entries which were originally set up using grub4dos (v1.9.2):

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title Puppy Kinetic32_peebee (sda2/Kinetic32_peebee)
  uuid 2941d455-af2b-4da3-b9cf-182678fe7eb9
  kernel /Kinetic32_peebee/vmlinuz   psubdir=Kinetic32_peebee pmedia=atahd pfix=fsck edd=off
  initrd /Kinetic32_peebee/initrd.gz

Can you swap in a kernel you know works (just copy and rename the vmlinuz and zdrv....... if you could try the 5.10 kernel from JammyPup32 that would be great.

Hmmm, havent done a kernel swap before so that will have to wait till the weekend. (Have tested another Toshiba laptop this aftrenoon and the edd probe on that laptop was fine but I had other problems that stopped it finding the main sfs. Will complete some other tests before moving on to the kernel swap)

[tosim]

Tried a frugal install of KineticPup32 on a flash drive that has several other Pups installed(frugal). Started to install, showed, among other stuff, usbflash; then paused for 60 seconds.
Next came several lines,one of which stated it could not find kineticpuppy.sfs, and that was that. I then shut down.

[peebee]

Tried a frugal install of KineticPup32 on a flash drive that has several other Pups installed(frugal). Started to install, showed, among other stuff, usbflash; then paused for 60 seconds.
Next came several lines,one of which stated it could not find kineticpuppy.sfs, and that was that. I then shut down.

Maybe a menu.lst problem
or a kernel problem like greengeek

Anybody else booted successfully? (BTW works OK for me....)
Here is my menu.lst stanza:

title test7 (sdc1/test7)
uuid 6443044f-ac72-4b31-b748-027b8a833e2b
kernel /test7/vmlinuz pdrv=sdc1 psubdir=/test7 pmedia=atahd pfix=fsck
initrd /test7/initrd.gz

[tosim]

@peebee I tried again, same problem.

[greengeek]

What does the pdrv kernel parameter do?

[greengeek]

Here is my boot.lst stanza:

title test7 (sdc1/test7)
uuid 6443044f-ac72-4b31-b748-027b8a833e2b
kernel /test7/vmlinuz pdrv=sdc1 psubdir=/test7 pmedia=atahd pfix=fsck
initrd /test7/initrd.gz

Hi peebee, thanks for posting your boot stanza. I see that you have included the leading / in the psubdir parameter. I just tried adding that and my Toshiba Satellite Pro S500 now boots without any problems. (edd problem gone and the problem of finding the main sfs has gone away).
Strange because I have never ever needed that leading "/" before.

Here are my first findings:
- During Quicksetup and selection of timezone there is no scroll bar. This means I need to click and hold on the down arrow to get down the bottom of the list to "Pacific, Auckland". Takes a very long time.

- I can't find a synclient utility to check/adjust touchpad settings. Any tips? (I am probably just going blind...)

- Not a huge fan of purple tones so i did a colour shift on the desktop background

Good things:
- Recognition of my lan and wlan adapters was automatic and getting on the internet was easy.
- "Tap-to-click" is switched off right from the start. I like this because it avoids accidental dragging and losing/deletion of directories etc during setup.
- More testing to follow

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[greengeek]

Loaded Librecad from PPM and seems all good. (This is one of my critical needs for any Puppy)

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[peebee]

Loaded Librecad from PPM and seems all good. (This is one of my critical needs for any Puppy)
librecad.jpg

Don't forget that KineticPup32 will be an STR (Short Term Release) expiring July 2023..... also only a PRE-RELEASE until October....

You may be better using JammyPup32 which is LTS (Long Term Support).

[peebee]

- I can't find a synclient utility to check/adjust touchpad settings. Any tips? (I am probably just going blind...)

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[peebee]

KineticPup32-22.10+5PRE PRE-RELEASE is available

3fcc39c80bfbc1aa2dcb886c86f233c2 KineticPup32-22.10+5PRE.iso

also - LXDE ydrv

[peebee]

KineticPup32-22.10+0 is released.

viewtopic.php?t=7127

[peebee]

Ubuntu 23.04 “Lunar Lobster” Release Date Slated for April 20th, 2023
only be supported with software and security updates for nine months, until January 2024

https://9to5linux.com/ubuntu-23-04-luna ... -20th-2023

LunarPup32-23.04 ............ maybe

[peebee]

LunarPup32 - first test build:
https://sourceforge.net/projects/zestyp ... t-Version/

Fairly sane, but there is an issue with Cups...........

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[Clarity]

My 32bit Netbook is trashed. It is no longer a viable alternative with the progresses accomplished across the board since 2008. It is not a Puppy/Linux issue, its hardware as there are so many better, often FREE choices in give-aways or dumpter dives; if not new. The OSes are not replacements for hardware. The better the hardware, the better our experiences.

Will you bee producing a 64bit version of this distro for forum use?

[peebee]

Will you bee producing a 64bit version of this distro for forum use?

You keep asking this - and the answer is the same as before - No!

[Rantanplan]

Hi @peebee ,

Thanks to you to build 32bit distros.

I have downloaded LunarLobster and ran it : all is right.

Only at this time, "Connect your android phone" doesn't work entirly : I can't see my files, tree only.
I "workarrounded" it with Camphonetab or simple-mtpfs-0.3.0-i686_common32.pet and associated libraries.

Best to you.
And many thanks again from France.

[peebee]

LunarPup32-23.04+2Alpha

More updates & LXDE ydrv

Updates + cups & samba fixes

[peebee]

LunarPup32-23.04+3Alpha & LXDE ydrv

Just Ubuntu updates

[peebee]

Mantic Minotaur
Ubuntu 23.10 is due for release on October 12, 2023
https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2023/04/ubu ... e-revealed

[peebee]

First test build.........

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