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I really Need these three apps for my Office Computer using Precise.

OnlyOffice features an up-to-date version for Ubuntu 12.04, so i think porting it to PrecisePup won't be so hard.

Telegram is essential for corporate/college contact.

Chromium = the newer the better.
Other browsers based on Chromium (save for Google Chrome) are also accepted.

MADC1993 wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 8:52 pm

I really Need these three apps for my Office Computer using Precise.

OnlyOffice features an up-to-date version for Ubuntu 12.04, so i think porting it to PrecisePup won't be so hard.

OnlyOffice also doesn’t work on 32-bit systems or ARM processors, like LibreOffice can.
Precise Puppy only comes in 32-bit.

jrb wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 9:18 pm

MADC1993 wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 8:52 pm

I really Need these three apps for my Office Computer using Precise.

OnlyOffice features an up-to-date version for Ubuntu 12.04, so i think porting it to PrecisePup won't be so hard.

OnlyOffice also doesn’t work on 32-bit systems or ARM processors, like LibreOffice can.
Precise Puppy only comes in 32-bit.

Are there any other alternatives to OnlyOffice and LibreOffice?

MADC1993 wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 9:27 pm

jrb wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 9:18 pm

MADC1993 wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 8:52 pm

I really Need these three apps for my Office Computer using Precise.

OnlyOffice features an up-to-date version for Ubuntu 12.04, so i think porting it to PrecisePup won't be so hard.

OnlyOffice also doesn’t work on 32-bit systems or ARM processors, like LibreOffice can.
Precise Puppy only comes in 32-bit.

Are there any other alternatives to OnlyOffice and LibreOffice?

I suggest you have a look at FreeOffice.
https://www.freeoffice.com/en/tips-and-tricks-linux

What exact version of Precise?

What is the computer?
Make and model?
Specs if you know them.

Latest versions of any browser is going to be an issue for any Precise version.
It is not going to have what the browsers need to run.
To add it would turn Precise into a one of the newer versions of Puppy.
So, better to use a newer Puppy version.

bigpup wrote: Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:08 am

What exact version of Precise?

5.7.1

bigpup wrote: Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:08 am

What is the computer?
Make and model?

HP 2133 Mini-Note PC.

bigpup wrote: Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:08 am

Specs if you know them.

CPU: Via C7-M 1.2GHz
RAM: 2GB DDR2
GPU: S3 Chrome9

bigpup wrote: Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:08 am

Latest versions of any browser is going to be an issue for any Precise version.
It is not going to have what the browsers need to run.
To add it would turn Precise into a one of the newer versions of Puppy.
So, better to use a newer Puppy version.

Using a newer Puppy Version is out of the picture not only due to hardware but also due to lack of proper support on Later Kernels.
My main idea was to use @jrb's Precise remixes but it doesn't work on my machine.

So my idea is to make it a minimal computer for productivity until i can buy a better laptop (which won't happen in 1-2 years)
This mean it won't be used for videos/movies, fun things, ect...

Browser is not much of a problem since it's mainly based on Office Work.

As long as i'm able to use an Office Suite that has a good compatibility with Microsoft Office files and use Telegram, i'm fine.

Thanks!
That info helps us all understand better what you are doing.

WE do not have your computer and hardware.
So, all we can do is offer suggestion for you to try.

If you try using some piece of software and have issues.
You do what?
You see what?
Very specific details.
We only know what you tell us.

Telegram?
Precise 5.7.1 32bit OS
This web site says it has a 32bit version for download.
https://downloadmany.com/get-telegram-for-linux-32-bit/
Carefully select.
About 3/4 down the page is the download link.

Looks like a compressed .tar.xz package
Not sure Precise 5.7.1 has support for xz compression.
Anyway, after you download the package.
Un-compress it to a directory so all the files are in this directory.
Something in there should be what you click on to run the program.
Any issues, let us know, and we will try to figure it out.

Here is a topic on the old forum, but these are older versions.
https://oldforum.puppylinux.com/viewtop ... 27015df19c

There is this in this forum
viewtopic.php?f=89&t=3472

MADC1993 wrote: Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:37 pm

My main idea was to use @jrb's Precise remixes but it doesn't work on my machine.

I suggest you give april-7.0.1F-uefi.iso a try. It is lighter than PrecisePup and more up to date. My Portabrowse no longer seems to work but Portable Firefox Quantum and Firefox-ESR should. You might get lucky.

Cheers, J

Edit: The latest version of Freeoffice doesn't work. Older versions will, how to find?

Hi MADC1993,

Apache OpenOffice is still publishing new 32-bit versions, now at 4.1.10, https://www.openoffice.org/download/index.html.

OscarTalks has published an SFS of version 4.1.7, viewtopic.php?p=2131#p2131 albeit only useful for those who understand an obscure language named 'British English'.

Apache OpenOffice's webpage also provides links to language packs for a couple dozen other languages.

FWIW, OpenOffice also still publishes a Windows 32 bit version available from the same page. And there's a Windows portable version of Telegram from here, https://portableapps.com/apps/internet/ ... p-portable.

The OpenOffice installs and runs fine under Wine-portable 3.3_v.2, available to download from the link here, https://oldforum.puppylinux.com/viewtop ... dd#p989245. Telegram opens without complaint, but I don't know enough about it to run tests. WineHQ gave an older version its highest rating, platinum.

Wine-portable was constructed making use of a Wine pet version2013 compiled under 32bit tahrpup. I think it will run under precise. It does under Slacko 5.7 which has binaries from the same time period. https://oldforum.puppylinux.com/viewtop ... 8&start=45. But version2013's earlier vintage pets are still readily available. And if need be I can hunt up the portable 2.16 version.

By the way, if you are running Wine, amethyst has identified several great apps, viewforum.php?f=163 among them Atlantis Word-processor. [You're builtin Linux-gnumeric will handle spreadsheet needs. Just remember to save in IIRC xls or slk format to achieve Excel compatibility].

Advantages of portables is that they take up very little space in a SaveFile and require almost no RAM when not in use. Installing a Wine pet, on the other hand, impacts both. But there are instructions for partially externalizing the bulk of the files a Wine pet will install. viewtopic.php?p=282#p282

@bigpup :-

I can quite see where the OP is coming from. That Via S3 graphics chip is a complete bloody nightmare; it was a problem around the early days of "Trusty" Tahr.....not long after "Precise" Pangolin. At the time I belonged to the Ubuntu Forums; we had one of our graphics 'specialists' spend more than 30 pages of a thread trying to help somebody get Trusty running with one of these. They re-installed everything at least 3 or 4 times, and re-wrote Xorg around half-a-dozen. Even he had to admit defeat in the end. I think the OP there eventually backtracked to 9.0.4 'Karmic' Koala - older kernel, older deps - where eventually things began to work again....

This is one of those rare cases where a new version of Puppy would actually make the problem worse, not better; an older Puppy's more 'dated' kernel would probably stand a better chance of supporting that elderly hardware. And although the Via C7-M will run in a Pentium M/Celeron M socket/mobo, it has nowhere near the performance of even those modest items.

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Myself, I'd hesitate to even recommend Precise for this one. 'Lucid' might be more like it, though the problem of running a more up-to-date browser becomes worse, the further you go back....

About the only way I can see the OP might be able o get a reasonably up-to-date Chromium-based browser running here would be to run the chrooted-Iron SFS package I put together. I had it running nicely with both Lucid & Precise, although I originally built it for Darren's 431 "Phoenix" re-spin.

Mike.

Wonder if a newer Puppy version, using an old series 3 Linux kernel, would work?

I have seen hardware issues fixed by changing the kernel being used.
Too new a hardware for the old series 3 or 4 kernel, so use a series 5 kernel.
Too new a kernel for support of the very old hardware (kernel drops support for old hardware, as it gets newer versions), so use an older series kernel.

jrb wrote: Wed Sep 01, 2021 2:59 pm

MADC1993 wrote: Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:37 pm

My main idea was to use @jrb's Precise remixes but it doesn't work on my machine.

I suggest you give april-7.0.1F-uefi.iso a try. It is lighter than PrecisePup and more up to date. My Portabrowse no longer seems to work but Portable Firefox Quantum and Firefox-ESR should. You might get lucky.

Cheers, J

Edit: The latest version of Freeoffice doesn't work. Older versions will, how to find?

No luck.
Same problem as your Precise Puppy image and @8Geee's AtomicPreciseXXI image: After booting, it goes to a blank screen with constantly changing colors; Starts from a black one, then to a white one and changes to other colors.

Strangely Stock Precise Puppy images doesn't have this problem...

bigpup wrote: Wed Sep 01, 2021 7:11 pm

Wonder if a newer Puppy version, using an old series 3 Linux kernel, would work?

I have seen hardware issues fixed by changing the kernel being used.
Too new a hardware for the old series 3 or 4 kernel, so use a series 5 kernel.
Too new a kernel for support of the very old hardware (kernel drops support for old hardware, as it gets newer versions), so use an older series kernel.

As long as i'm able to install the OS on a SD Card i think it's worth to try.

Also, are there any minimal versions of Puppy where i can just add the apps myself?

bigpup wrote: Wed Sep 01, 2021 7:11 pm

Wonder if a newer Puppy version, using an old series 3 Linux kernel, would work?

I have seen hardware issues fixed by changing the kernel being used.
Too new a hardware for the old series 3 or 4 kernel, so use a series 5 kernel.
Too new a kernel for support of the very old hardware (kernel drops support for old hardware, as it gets newer versions), so use an older series kernel.

Mm. It might, at that.

Perhaps, say, oh.....I don't know; maybe Tahrpup 605, equipped with, for instance, Racy 5.5's k3.0.66 kernel..? That used to support all the newer hardware I was using with the old Compaq tower. I'm still using many of those same items with the new HP, because they were mostly top-end items when purchased.

It's all worth a try, certainly. IF the OP can run the above-mentioned suggestion, then my Iron-69-portable would work for him, because that release runs without issue under Tahrpup....

Still haven't dug out an older version of FreeOffice, though; SoftMaker don't seem to keep older versions around any more.

Mike.

There's a couple problems you can run into when you swap very old kernels into newer Puppys. From tahrpup on (maybe, hopefully, precise --but maybe not) Puppys were built in a more modular manner and the initrd(gz) file knew how to handle the components. The prior builds' initrd(gz) didn't. Additionally, swapping creating problems with creating SaveFiles, and accessing repos. At any rate, I remembered the term 'Frankenpup' being used for the resulting Puppy after rjb came up with a work-around. Using that term in https://cse.google.com/cse?cx=015995643 ... #gsc.tab=0 lead here, https://oldforum.puppylinux.com/viewtop ... c22dd1efc4. An examination of that entire thread may avoid total confusion [unless I've just created it ].

But, MADC1993, how vital is a chromium based web-browser? IIRC, Mike Walsh packaged precise gtk3 so that Puppys could use firefox quantum, https://oldforum.puppylinux.com/viewtop ... 10#p978010. Is my guess that the likes of firefox, seamonkey and palemoon can run under the 'old precise' wrong?

If not, than I think the simplest over-all solution might be the original precise + a 'mozilla' based web-browser + wine to run telegraph & apache open office.

@MADC1993 :-

T'other Mike's suggestion actually sounds a reasonable compromise. At least that way you'll get a newer version of Telegram; the current 32-bit Linux release of Telegram is no longer the newest. In common with the developers of so many other apps/programs, their 32-bit offering is already "pinned" at an older, 'legacy' version; beyond this point, further upgrades will NOT be offered.

Mike.

mikewalsh wrote: Thu Sep 02, 2021 12:39 am

@MADC1993 :-

T'other Mike's suggestion actually sounds a reasonable compromise. At least that way you'll get a newer version of Telegram; the current 32-bit Linux release of Telegram is no longer the newest. In common with the developers of so many other apps/programs, their 32-bit offering is already "pinned" at an older, 'legacy' version; beyond this point, further upgrades will NOT be offered.

Mike.

Thanks Mike.

I'd just like to know how do i install tar.gz packages on Precise (my Office OS) and AtomicPup (My College OS).

Tried to find for pupget and this OS doesn't have it.

Also, is there some JWM themes? And a Dock? Wanna make Precise a bit similar to Mac.

@MADC1993 :-

Tar.gz packages, better known as "tarballs", are usually extracted first.....after which, you then do whatever's required with the contents. Personally, I use SFR's UExtract, but I'm not at all certain if the newest versions will work with Pups of that vintage any longer; I know Jake has updated the thing to use a number of newer 'back-ends' in recent years.

What packages are we talking about? We can soon give you an idea of whether it'll work or not..... I haven't run Precise for a couple of years, 'cos the UEFI in this new HP tower doesn't seem to like Puppies back beyond a certain point. Prior to Tahrpup, there's something later Pups have that older Pups seem to lack; whatever it is, they won't boot for me any longer.

(*shrug*)

Mike.

It is best if you can get software as a pet or deb package.
Those you click on to install.
appimage packaged software, is another type, that usually just works.

This info will help you.
Installing Additional Software
viewtopic.php?f=156&t=1819

HI @MADC1993

Maybe this wps Office can help you

its for precise

WPS Office 11.1.0.8392 (Precise 5.7.1)

PipzDex wrote: Thu Sep 02, 2021 10:51 pm

HI @MADC1993

Maybe this wps Office can help you

its for precise

WPS Office 11.1.0.8392 (Precise 5.7.1)

I will test it out soon.
Would you have this on .pet? I'm on a frugral install.

I've managed to use Telegram via Telegram Web, altough a full Telegram app would be pretty more convenient.

Sorry about the delay. As I've mentioned before, the small pond I once was able to jump across now appears on maps as a named lake. And occasionally I'm blessed with an indoor swimming pool. Hurricane Ida chose to bless me.
The following is a screenshot of Precise 5.7.1 running Telegram under portable-wine 3.3, LibreOffice-Writer and Seamonkey46-portable. I'll try one of the Chromium Clones tomorrow. And fill in some details.

mikeslr wrote: Tue Sep 07, 2021 5:43 am

Sorry about the delay. As I've mentioned before, the small pond I once was able to jump across now appears on maps as a named lake. And occasionally I'm blessed with an indoor swimming pool. Hurricane Ida chose to bless me.
The following is a screenshot of Precise 5.7.1 running Telegram under portable-wine 3.3, LibreOffice-Writer and Seamonkey46-portable. I'll try one of the Chromium Clones tomorrow. And fill in some details.
Precise5.7.1 Seamonkey Telegram LibreWriter.png

Good news.

Managed to make Telegram and Discord work using Chromium 59.

Discord is a bit slow, but not ULTRA SLOW like in Firefox or Pale Moon.

Telegram i am using a custom Web version made for KaiOS Phones: (https://kasymovga.github.io/tg-kaios-web/#/im). This one is working like a Charm! Very lightweight.

Installing Telegram on Wine didnt work out for me, sadly.

WPS Office works fine but i hadnt tested out deeply.
Also, how to change WPS 2019's language?

Is there a fully functional e-mail app for Precise?

Glad you're making progress. Frankly, I made two mistakes in my experimentation: I used a slow USB-Key, and I'm running under a fast computer. Too fast for an old system. The things which work, work slowly. But as it's on a USB-Key I'll try it later in an Asus 701SD.

There should be a version of Thunderbird for a 'full' email client. But, like firefox it may be slow on your system. Seamonkey has a mail-client component which runs OOTB. But on your system you're likely to have the same slow-as-molasses problem.

I couldn't get any chromium clones to run. I don't know why. Precise doesn't have 'open with terminal' on its Right-Click Menu and I don't know how to add it. So I can't tell what's going wrong. Besides which, the only chromium clones I have readily available which might work are the latest versions of MikeWalsh's portable Iron and portable-vivaldi.

One experiment you might try has to do with remastering. As I understand it, your problem is that your computer needs an old kernel and, as I mentioned above, Precise is not as modular as newer Puppies. For example, its system files do not have a separate zdrv.sfs. But what you might be able to do is remaster Precise using either remasterx, https://oldforum.puppylinux.com/viewtop ... =94033&i=1 or the remaster-classic of nicOS's Utility Suite, viewtopic.php?p=12983#p12983. Either/both offer the choice of generating a separate zdrv.sfs. You could then use the vmlinuz and zdrv_precise_xxx.sfs created with a newer Puppy. For example, to use with xenialpup32-bit, replace xenialpup's vmlinuz with the remastered vmlinuz, and rename the remastered zdrv_precise_xxx.sfs to zdrv_xenialpup_7.5.sfs. These can then be used with and xenialpup's initrd.gz and base file, puppy_xenialpup_7.5.sfs.

I'm not sure what that system would name a SaveFile. But, if it doesn't recognize the SaveFile it creates, it can be renamed or, perhaps, the Save2SFS one of the modules of the nicOS Utility Suite can provide a substitute. At any rate, xenialpup's base file provides the infra-structure to run current chromium clones,

Don't bother. It wouldn't boot. But I had another idea. Based on MikeWalsh and Watchdog's Chrooted Iron, viewtopic.php?f=90&t=760 I recently published a xenialpup (32-bit) with wine builtin, viewtopic.php?p=35555#p35555 that can easily be used to build an SFS. This post explains how. viewtopic.php?p=33971#p33971

As, naturally, I already had done so, I SFS-loaded it onto the 'stock' precise. I'm posting from such 'stock' precise having SFS-loaded the chroot-xenial and am using its builtin the seamonkey-portable.

Well, it works on my system. While the Chroot-SFS is massive (almost 1 Gb)* according to Pupsys-Info, it's currently using only 206 Mbs of RAM as write this using seamonkey.

Basically, the Chroot employs the MainOS's kernel, which in your case would be that of the stock precise. What the chroot offers are the applications which run under the ChrootOS's infra-structure, including its newer glibc libraries. As the above post hopefully makes clear, it's not hard to add portables to the base before converting it to a chrooted SFS:
Mount the xenialpup.sfs. Copy its contents to a folder. Add any portables to its /opt folder=/cont/opt. Optionally**, create menu links to it in what will be 'written to' the MainOS's /usr folder. Then dir2sfs the work folder. Keep in mind that if you don't create Start Menu listings the only way you have to start an application is to use the Chrooted rox-filer, file-browsing to the executable or desktop files. Bookmarks and short-cuts don't work. But there are chroooted-rox menu entries to open to the chrooted /usr/share/applications folder, the /cont/opt folder and the /cont/root/my-documents folder. Also read the caution about running applications for which you don't create /usr/bin chroot scripts.
Also remember that things you download or create in the chroot occupy RAM. Use your mainOS's rox-filer to move them to folders, partitions and drives controlled by your MainOS.

Mike has published recent portable 32-bit Irons, Slimjets and vivaldis, all Chromium-clones. And, Telegram-portable should run under the chroot's builtin Wine.

I built-in Argolance’s CleanRam. It is available by using the menu-entry which opens the chrooted-rox to /cont/usr/share/applications, scrolling down and Left-Clicking cleanram.desktop. The chrooted xenialpup shares RAM with your MainOS. So it will provide a quick way to clear RAM of files no longer being used. While it should have no effect on files you've written, for example to /cont/root/my-documents, it's probably best to move those files out of the Chroot before running cleanram. Or, safer still, install CleanRam, https://www.forum.puppylinux.com/viewto ... 0cb#p25645 into your MainOS.

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* Edit: The xenailpup.sfs includes LibreOffice. It also includes Atlantis, a really nice Word-processor under Wine.
** Just tried merely copying these portable's folders to /cont/opt, then restarting X: vivaldi, slimjet, Iron & Telegram. All the aforementioned Linux web-browsers seg-faulted. They do run under xenial when its the MainOS. And, as aforesaid, the Mozilla based web-browsers I built in --seamonkey and firefox-- run without any problem. Perhaps similarly, the builtin Atlantis and SumatraPDF [and in another experiment builtin Metatrader] ran without a problem. But Telegram-portable whose folder merely copied into /cont/opt could not be started using the chrooted Wine-File(manager).
My guess, therefore, is that including things in /cont/opt and creating the the structure in /usr before running dir2sfs may be necessary.

Curiouser and curiouser The builtin firefox-esr wouldn't start. But I could just copy [using the MainOS's rox] both palemoon and Light-browser --both mozilla-forks-- to /cont/opt and start them by file-browsing with chroot-rox and left-clicking their scripts.

Curiouser & curiouser. A previous chrooted operating system I made used dpup-stretch viewtopic.php?f=123&t=319 as the base. Booting into Bionicpup64 and SFS-loading that chrooted puppy I was able to merely copy Telegram, Slimjet and Vivaldi into /cont/opt and start those applications via Wine-file and Chrooted Rox, albeit Telegram complained that I had previously shut Telegram down improperly.

I'll have to see if using precise as the MainOS I have the same results. That I didn't use precise indicates that it's now really well past my bedtime.

Booted up stock Precise and SFS-loaded the Wine-chroot based on DPup-Stretch I referred to in my last post. Copied Slimjet, Vivaldi, Iron and Telegram into /cont/opt and restarted-x.
Chroot-rox could not start any of the web-browsers. Trying to start them via a terminal generated the following results:
Iron would not start at all providing no explanation.
Vivaldi would not start but reported that it did not support running without a sandbox. Changing the script to provide 'run-as-spot' and deleting 'no-sandbox' reported that it could not find /home/spot. Not surprising as that folder had not been included in the dpup-stretch build. Merely adding it, and restarting-x, generated a 'permission denied' report. I hadn't given /cont/home/spot spot's limited permissions.
Slimjet started the first time. But thereafter wouldn't.
WineFile would not start portable-Telegram.
Keep in mind that the original web-browser chroot MikeWalsh published was to run Iron; and it did function.

Short version: If any of the above are to run in a chroot they'll have to be added to /cont/opt with launcher scripts in /usr before packaging the SFS. + The above noted changes for Vivaldi.

@mikeslr :-

The way I do it, Mike, is as follows:-

In the chroot:-

• Applications you want to run (or, attempt to run!) go into /opt , as you've noted.

• I then put a manual 'relative' link across to /usr/bin for the 'launcher', executable, whatever starts the app. Give it an easily recognizable name.

• Any icons the chroot application may need must remain within the chroot. I found this out just the other day, when setting-up the modern Qt5 'Birdtray' replacement for Thunderbird's original 'Firetray' extension (deprecated since the Mozilla move to WebAPI). This is in the Xenialpup64 'chroot' I use for Quirky64 'April' 7.0.1, of which I run jrb's re-mastered 'lite' version.

In the 'host' Puppy:-

• In /usr/bin, modify an existing chroot launcher so it will launch the app in question. (You can use the original from the chrooted Iron browser as a template.) Rename it to match the /usr/bin entry in the chroot, e.g., 'firefox' will become 'firefoxchroot'. The only line you need to modify is the final one; again, the app name must match the chroot's /usr/bin entry, as it's basically searching the chroot's $PATH to find it. Leave the "$@" for browsers. Other stuff, this is optional. This is the one that actually kicks it all into life; for troubleshooting, run this in the terminal.

• Make sure to have the 'closechroot' script in /usr/bin! (This is essential for a clean shutdown).

• Having got your chroot 'launcher' working, it's a simple matter to add a menu Entry....

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Any linking that needs to be done should be done by accessing the chroot via the 'cont' symlink under /. If you try doing this within the chroot in its REAL location, they're not recognized when you try to run it.

Mike.

Hi @MADC1993

In response to your question

how to change WPS 2019's language?

1.-Run any of the WPS Office programs
2.-click on new document
3.-in the upper right part there is an icon of a book with an A ... click on that option and it will open the option to change the language ...
At the moment it only has three languages:
Chinese, English and Spanish

I hope this answers your question

Cheers!!