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I've been reading the post viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3306 and noticed the specs of the pc, and this crossed my mind. Ryzen 7, 64Gb RAM & 2Tb storage, all to run a Puppy, isn't that a bit like using a Ferrari just to go to the corner shop? Let's face it, a machine with that spec could run any OS that took your fancy, and it's hardly what Puppy was designed for.

Please don't take this as any sort of criticism, it's not intended as such at all. I believe there are a few others on this forum that use reasonably high spec pc's to run Puppies, and I'm just interested as to what were the reasons behind it. Is it simply a love of Puppies, or are there other reasons?

Never likely to apply to me, a machine with that sort of spec is well out of my price range.

Thanks

Maybe... if you think Puppy Linux is just some kind of Toy.........it is`nt.
But if you are looking for some Kind of "real" adult Mainstream OS's working the frugal "Puppy Style".
Have a look at "The Dog House":
viewforum.php?f=22

"The Dogs" are some Kind of pimped up (but minimal/small) Sport Cars-----Debians or Ubuntus on Steroids.With Access to their Main Repositories via "Synaptic Packet Manager".
Plus some extra "Goodies"
You need to get accustomed to this kind (OS) Concept.....but not that difficult
You won`t regret it.

Hello. I'll buy Ryzen in a month, only probably for 6 cores and 12 threads, most likely Ryzen 5 2600.
The reasons are different for everyone. Habit, love, unwillingness to spend the resources of even a powerful computer on all sorts of decorations. In addition, someone has several devices, while someone has only one - on which all the money was spent.
Mmmm... maybe there are oligarchs or underground billionaires among us, in which case the reasons may be very different, for example, the dude does not want to pay a well-known corporation for their product and with such savings he became a billionaire

stevie pup wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 6:26 pm

I've been reading the post viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3306 and noticed the specs of the pc, and this crossed my mind. Ryzen 7, 64Gb RAM & 2Tb storage, all to run a Puppy, isn't that a bit like using a Ferrari just to go to the corner shop? Let's face it, a machine with that spec could run any OS that took your fancy, and it's hardly what Puppy was designed for.

Please don't take this as any sort of criticism, it's not intended as such at all. I believe there are a few others on this forum that use reasonably high spec pc's to run Puppies, and I'm just interested as to what were the reasons behind it. Is it simply a love of Puppies, or are there other reasons?

Never likely to apply to me, a machine with that sort of spec is well out of my price range.

Thanks

Puppy's Rule:
Whatever you got, less powerful or more powerful computers: they always perform BETTER with Puppy. No contest.

Okay, let's assume that your PC has 64GB of RAM:

In fact, Windows 11 requires minimum of 64GB of space.
In fact Puppy's footprint is less than 0.5GB.

How do you reconcile with that?

However, the only "con" Puppy may have is, if you run it on this ...

https://www.amazon.com/Expansion-Comput ... 61&sr=8-20

or this ...

https://community.intel.com/t5/Solid-St ... m-p/571150

that you may want as well to install a seatbelt on your chair and an airbag on your desk!

Windows 11 requires 64 GB of RAM? Damn.

The other day I was updating Windows in my laptop (I don't use the laptop very often, so every time I turn it on it takes hours to update the Windows 10 it came with). At some point it checked if the hardware could run Windows 11 and said it couldn't. The laptop is only a few years old, with 12 GB of RAM and a i3-8130U processor.

Rather than buy a new computer just for Windows 11, I think I'll stick with Puppy Linux.

Flash wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 8:41 pm

Windows 11 requires 64 GB of RAM? Damn.

The other day I was updating Windows in my laptop (I don't use the laptop very often, so every time I turn it on it takes hours to update the Windows 10 it came with). At some point it checked if the hardware could run Windows 11 and said it couldn't. The laptop is only a few years old, with 12 GB of RAM and a i3-8130U processor.

Rather than buy a new computer just for Windows 11, I think I'll stick with Puppy Linux.

For SN & his Microsoft, you're just a "bottleneck" to the technology and to the economy of the world, Flashy!

sonny wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 8:45 pm

Flash wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 8:41 pm

Windows 11 requires 64 GB of RAM? Damn.

The other day I was updating Windows in my laptop (I don't use the laptop very often, so every time I turn it on it takes hours to update the Windows 10 it came with). At some point it checked if the hardware could run Windows 11 and said it couldn't. The laptop is only a few years old, with 12 GB of RAM and a i3-8130U processor.

Rather than buy a new computer just for Windows 11, I think I'll stick with Puppy Linux.

For SN & his Microsoft, you're just a "bottleneck" to the technology and to the world's economy, Flashy!

stevie pup did not mention Windows in his message. We know that many Puppy users despise this OS but to jump at the opportunity to reaffirm it ... it becomes boring. And for the comment of stevie pup... I approve (even if you don't like it)

I couldn't think of anything "fancier" than Windows os

Flash wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 8:41 pm

Windows 11 requires 64 GB of RAM? Damn.

More misinformation. Do your own research.

I'm probably one of those who has a reasonably high-spec rig. For Puppy, it's probably that 32 GB RAM that's the most significant...

We bought this early last year when the Compaq refused to fire-up any more after its annual spring-clean. I'd soldiered-on with only 3 GB of DDR1 for several years, and promised myself that when it was time to replace it I would never let myself fall into that trap again. The initial 4 GB immediately became 8 GB in early February; mid-July that became 16 GB, then I found a brilliant deal at Amazon on Crucial RAM in late November, and "maxed" the board all the way to 32 GB. With the pandemic raging, I was spending only a fraction of what I normally would. I certainly wasn't going out to any of my usual haunts, so; 'twas something I wanted to do at some stage.....now was as good a time as any.

The Pentium Gold is nothing special; it's pretty low-spec, by most folk's standards.....but "quad-core" (dual with H/T) at nearly 4 GHz and a full set of modern 9th-gen 'Core' instructions means it copes admirably with anything I can throw at it......and it runs rings round the elderly Athlon 64 X2 I had before, while using around half the power.

Yes, I could run anything I wanted to on here. I came to Puppy, originally, because it was the most suitable OS for keeping a 15-yr old 'clunker' still useful. Since getting this new HP 18 months ago, I've looked at several more 'grown-up' OSs; tried 'em out, fooled around with 'em.....and every time, I come back to the 'kennels', tail wagging hard & a spring in my step, because I really HAVE found "the one" for me.

(I also left the mainstream distros, the 'big boys', because to a man, they have horrible package management systems. They're all highly-effective, with good dependency resolution, but......man; I absolutely loathe using Synaptic - and PacMan or YUM aren't much better. This is just "me" - no-one else take it as a personal attack on THEIR choices, please.)

In short, I run Puppy out of choice, even though I could run anything else if I wanted to. I like the OS; I like the can-do "attitude", and the community is nothing short of amazing..!

Mike.

mikewalsh wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 10:10 pm

Yes, I could run anything I wanted to on here. I came to Puppy, originally, because it was the most suitable OS for keeping a 15-yr old 'clunker' still useful. Since getting this new HP 18 months ago, I've looked at several more 'grown-up' OSs; tried 'em out, fooled around with 'em.....and every time, I come back to the 'kennels', tail wagging hard & a spring in my step, because I really HAVE found "the one" for me.

Mike.

One of the reasons why I keep coming back to the kennels is the ear-wiggling dude!

sonny wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 10:25 pm

mikewalsh wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 10:10 pm

Yes, I could run anything I wanted to on here. I came to Puppy, originally, because it was the most suitable OS for keeping a 15-yr old 'clunker' still useful. Since getting this new HP 18 months ago, I've looked at several more 'grown-up' OSs; tried 'em out, fooled around with 'em.....and every time, I come back to the 'kennels', tail wagging hard & a spring in my step, because I really HAVE found "the one" for me.

Mike.

One of the reasons why I keep coming back to the kennels is the ear-wiggling dude!

Heh. When I was looking around for a new avatar for this new Forum, I came across a GIF of this cute little guy laying atop a warm-air floor heating vent, ears flapping gently in the breeze as he snoozed..... I thought, "Yes! Perfect...." And there he is.

Mike.

I use some version of Puppy Linux because I like how Puppy operates, the programs that come with it, and easy to do things with it.
Puppy linux starts up in about 3 seconds on my m-2 SSD drive.
Even Windows 10 starts up in about 7 to 10 seconds.
But Windows 10 spends the next 10, 20, 30, 40 plus minutes, downloading and installing updates, telling me what I need to install, what settings I need to make, etc....
What a bunch of BULL!

I am so use to opening two Rox File manager Windows, to do file manager stuff.
I hate using Windows file manager. It is very easy to do what you did not want to do.

I still have problems figuring out what a drive partition, is identified as, in Windows 10.
Oh, and really a problem, if the drive is a Linux format.
Windows keeps wanting to format it. (windows cannot read, you need to format).
Puppy just reads/writes, to a large number, of different formats.

rcrsn51 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 9:33 pm

Flash wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 8:41 pm

Windows 11 requires 64 GB of RAM? Damn.

More misinformation. Do your own research.

viewtopic.php?p=29749#p29749

Broaden your own research.

stevie pup wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 6:26 pm

I've been reading the post viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3306 and noticed the specs of the pc, and this crossed my mind. Ryzen 7, 64Gb RAM & 2Tb storage, all to run a Puppy, isn't that a bit like using a Ferrari just to go to the corner shop?

Thanks

From what I understand, the OP in that thread bought a second hand machine with Kubuntu, but has since found puppy.

sonny wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 12:28 am

rcrsn51 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 9:33 pm

Flash wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 8:41 pm

Windows 11 requires 64 GB of RAM? Damn.

More misinformation. Do your own research.

viewtopic.php?p=29749#p29749

Broaden your own research.

Hi @sonny,

Win11 expects 4 GB RAM + 64 GB of mass storage to be installed on. No shit, Sherlock ...

PS: you should have simply correct @Flash 's false assumption ...

peace

Well I've generated a fair bit of discussion here haven't I?

BologneChe wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 9:07 pm

stevie pup did not mention Windows in his message. We know that many Puppy users despise this OS but to jump at the opportunity to reaffirm it ... it becomes boring. And for the comment of stevie pup... I approve (even if you don't like it)

Thank you for your approval, and no I didn't mention Windows, but now you have,

bigpup wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 12:17 am

But Windows 10 spends the next 10, 20, 30, 40 plus minutes, downloading and installing updates, telling me what I need to install, what settings I need to make, etc....
What a bunch of BULL!

I'm painfully aware of all this. At my place of work I have no option than to use Windows 10, but if I'm lucky I will have retired before they move on to Windows 11. I bluntly refuse to use Windows 10 at home, although I do still use Windows 7 sometimes. I have a couple of laptops, each with different OS's on them.

I've previously used 5 or 6 Puppies, currently giving BusterPup a try out, so no, I have never regarded Puppy as a "toy", as someone suggested. I suppose you could say that in a way I was initially forced to give Puppy a go, as I was looking for something that would run reasonably well on this under powered little netbook I have. I just haven't decided yet which Puppy I'm going to stick with.

I was really just interested in what drew other people to Puppy, those that have got modern, good spec machines. That's all my OP was about.

Thanks

Not necessarily Puppy, but I'll never voluntarily use a computer that doesn't use some kind of layered file system with save from RAM on demand.

For me, it's just the way that computers should be set up.

dancytron wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 1:19 pm

Not necessarily Puppy, but I'll never voluntarily use a computer that doesn't use some kind of layered file system with save from RAM on demand.

For me, it's just the way that computers should be set up.

DeepFreeze + "save from RAM on demand" (i.e. with p/w prompt) will be awesome.

https://www.faronics.com/products/deep- ... enterprise

From Windows web site:
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows ... #primaryR2
.

System requirements

These are the basic requirements for installing Windows 11 on a PC. If your device does not meet these requirements, you may not be able to install Windows 11 on your device and might want to consider purchasing a new PC. If you are unsure whether your PC meets these requirements, you can check with your PC Original Equipment Manufacturer (OEM) or, if your device is already running Windows 10, you can use the PC Health Check app to assess compatibility.

Processor:

1 gigahertz (GHz) or faster with 2 or more cores on a compatible 64-bit processor or System on a Chip (SoC)

RAM:

4 gigabyte (GB)

Storage:

64 GB or larger storage device

Note: See below under “More information on storage space to keep Windows 11 up-to-date” for more details.

System firmware:

UEFI, Secure Boot capable

TPM:

Trusted Platform Module (TPM) version 2.0

Graphics card:

Compatible with DirectX 12 or later with WDDM 2.0 driver

Display:

High definition (720p) display that is greater than 9” diagonally, 8 bits per color channel

Internet connection and Microsoft accounts:

Windows 11 Home edition requires internet connectivity and a Microsoft account to complete device setup on first use.

Switching a device out of Windows 11 Home in S mode also requires internet connectivity. Learn more about S mode here.

For all Windows 11 editions, internet access is required to perform updates and to download and take advantage of some features. A Microsoft account is required for some features.

Oh. I really like this requirement:
Windows 11 Home edition requires internet connectivity and a Microsoft account to complete device setup on first use.

bigpup wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 3:51 pm

From Windows web site:
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows ... #primaryR2
.

For all Windows 11 editions, internet access is required to perform updates and to download and take advantage of some features. A Microsoft account is required for some features.

Oh. I really like this requirement:
Windows 11 Home edition requires internet connectivity and a Microsoft account to complete device setup on first use.

Microsoft knows that I am one of those installers out there who always unplugs the ethernet cable and click "Back" in order to reclaim my freedom of account creation (offline/local account).

one wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 8:42 am

sonny wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 12:28 am

rcrsn51 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 9:33 pm

More misinformation. Do your own research.

viewtopic.php?p=29749#p29749

Broaden your own research.

Hi @sonny,

Win11 expects 4 GB RAM + 64 GB of mass storage to be installed on. No shit, Sherlock ...

PS: you should have simply correct @Flash 's false assumption ...

peace

We all knew it's not what Flash actually meant nor referred to (RAM vs storage space).
I personally also happened to know that while some members show flashes of "Puppy IQ" but at the same time indicate struggles in developing their EQ.
I guess there are some teenagers here in the kennels as well.

ohhh, win is now 11 ? ups. here I have a XP - but don't know if it already starts,
since Puppy I do not need them.

I love the Puppies, because they start from a sfs-file.
All your changes of systemvalues are stored in a separate file,
if you choose that at shutdown puppy.

I do not save at the end, I edit the sfs-archive to my whishes.
So if something goes wrong, a virus or other malware come
into the running system, a simple restart an all is good

Sure, thats no 100%security, a virus is able to go into a document
or other file I save in the session, but it helps.

stevie pup wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 6:26 pm

Is it simply a love of Puppies, or are there other reasons?

The beauty of something efficient is a lesson in potential.

Every distro is also a style, compounded by its DE/WM.

So, I'm using distro to save an old laptop, get used to it, then install it on my fast machine because I can make it look & function similarly.

I write this over and over: my fast machine also runs Ubuntu MATE. MATE is a relatively simple DE, but I'm more agile in Puppy because I spend more time in it. I boot it when I want to be elegant and not think technically, though that some of that is unavoidable. Redmond also sometimes presents the same dilemma when changing its interface and functions with new versions.

I get what the OP is trying to get at but to be honest it doesn't really matter if your using an old banger (Pentium 4 with 512mb of ram) or one of the new fandangle super cars (Ryzen 9 5900X with 128gb of ram) we are all traveling along different routes at different speeds, windows down, roof down enjoying life and cruising to the same destination "The Puppy Highway".

Puppy is wonderful, Puppy is beautiful, Puppy is endless, Puppy is life

Use case for everyone with a powerful platform:

1. In addition to doing ALL your normal work,

2. create VMs and make you power machine look like multiple PCs on your network.

3. Owner can run 8 KVM-QEMU PCs within most of the modern 64bit PCs.

Currently the 3 best forum distros that have shown the best performance in my 'limited' tests;

• FATDOG (Instructions)

• FossaPUP64 (Instructions)

• Slacko64 (Instructions)

where the VMs appear to run "faster" than the distro host.

The VMs can be used for any productive purposes you choose in EXACTLY the same way you would use additional PCs on your home network...except, of course, this is all running on ONE physical PC; namely a modern 64bit PC.

Their are many other 'use cases' we can think of for 64bit PCs.

The modern PUP-DOSs found on the forum can take advantage of all that 64bit power for anything productive the owner chooses; and some.