TVs can be monitor replacements

[Clarity]

I left a Walmart an hour ago, where when I went into the electronics area they were putting out on the floor 5 75" TVs for crazy $350 (US). These TVs were gone before I left the store. "Cyber Monday" ???

Price drop is insane!

[vektor_alian]

Every modern TV I have used with a computer has cutoff 50 pixels on each side and 30 pixels off the top and bottom. I add 4 panels to create a reduced desktop area and everything is good.

Vektor

[gychang]

Every modern TV I have used with a computer has cutoff 50 pixels on each side and 30 pixels off the top and bottom. I add 4 panels to create a reduced desktop area and everything is good.

Vektor

My monitor is a 32" TV for last 5 years, how do I add 4 panels or pixels?

[Clarity]

Hello @vektor_alian
I haven't had that problem.

So, I tested by creating a QEMU VM running this PC's BKWP64 v1008 in the VM to match the host. The screen appears to be identical in the VM display same as the Host TV display of BKWP64. If I am correct, since the layout border to border match, I think I dont have the problem with my 60" TV.

Not sure if there is a better way to test to validate.

BTW: On some TVs, the HDMI ports have varying behaviors and this could be an issue with how the PC sees the resolution over HDMI. Check in your TV's Owner's Manual.

Lastly, somewhere in my past about 5 years ago, I ran across a post by @01micko that offered a suggestion on the forum on use of his PUP on a TV. It had to do with the OS mapping to the TV screen. Cant remember what that was, though. ... except that it was a TV setting that was needed for the correct mapping.

FYI

[dimkr]

TVs can be used as monitors, but not everything that can be done is a good idea. If it works for you - great, but for most people this is probably a bad idea. TVs often have higher contrast and higher maximum brightness, but they're glossy (bad for productivity), they have features like motion smoothing that can be very annoying when you're not using your TV as a TV, and picture can be blurry if the pixel density is low (for example, compared to 13" laptops with 1920x1080 or higher resolution). TVs don't have extra features office-oriented monitors have (like a type C port for laptop docking with charging+ethernet+audio), they're less power efficient and they occupy much more physical space compared to monitors: a 48" TV with 4k resolution shows exactly same content as a 24" monitor with same 4k resolution; content is 2x bigger but the TV is thicker than a monitor and has legs that occupy desk space.

[bigpup]

To save me some time.

why is a tv not a good computer monitor?
ChatGPT said:

ChatGPT
While it's possible to use a TV as a computer monitor, there are several reasons why it's generally not an ideal choice compared to a dedicated computer monitor:

1. Input Lag
TVs are often optimized for watching video content, which doesn't require real-time interaction like gaming or using a computer. As a result, they tend to have higher input lag than computer monitors. This delay can be noticeable when moving the mouse or typing, and especially in fast-paced activities like gaming.
2. Resolution and Pixel Density
TVs typically have larger screens with lower pixel density. For example, a 4K TV with a 55-inch screen will have a much lower pixel density than a 24-inch 4K computer monitor. This can lead to a less sharp image, making text and small details less clear when using a computer, especially at closer viewing distances.
3. Color Accuracy
Monitors are designed to provide more accurate and consistent color reproduction, making them better suited for tasks like photo editing, graphic design, or video production. TVs, on the other hand, are often tuned to emphasize vibrant, eye-catching colors for entertainment purposes, which might not be ideal for professional work.
4. Refresh Rate
While many TVs support 60Hz or higher refresh rates, high-end monitors can offer refresh rates of 120Hz, 144Hz, or even 240Hz, which makes them better suited for fast-paced gaming and smoother visual experiences. TVs, especially older models, might not be able to handle high refresh rates as effectively as dedicated monitors.
5. Viewing Distance
TVs are designed to be viewed from a longer distance (e.g., 6–10 feet), while computer monitors are meant to be used from much closer distances (e.g., 1–3 feet). When you sit too close to a TV, the pixelation becomes more noticeable, and it can strain your eyes.
6. Text Clarity
Due to the large screen size and lower pixel density, TVs are not as well-suited for displaying text clearly, which is essential when working on a computer. This can lead to blurry or pixelated fonts, making it harder to read or focus on details.
7. Connectivity
Monitors often have DisplayPort, HDMI, or USB-C inputs that are tailored for PC use, with better compatibility with graphics cards and computers. Some TVs may only have HDMI inputs, and the connection may not support the same resolutions or refresh rates that a computer monitor can offer.
8. Cost vs. Performance
While TVs can be cheaper per inch of screen size, monitors are generally better designed for computer use, offering features like ergonomic stands, better resolution for close-up work, and specialized color accuracy or refresh rates, which provide more value for computing tasks.
In summary, although a TV can serve as a monitor, it's not optimized for tasks like gaming, detailed work, or productivity. A dedicated computer monitor provides sharper images, lower input lag, better color accuracy, and higher refresh rates, making it the better choice for most computer users.

[Clarity]

Hello @dimkr

Question

• do you have a TV connected to any PC?

@bigpup has posted some good info that you might want to reconsider.

I have used them for many years with no issue or problems.

My 'productivity" for a old guy is not phased over the years of TV as a monitor use. Large screens affords ability to do things better than what I had on the smaller monitor screens of the past. For home use, a $99 (us) TV of 50" exceeds what anyone would get from a new PC monitor purchase.

[RSH]

Hi.

From the beginning of march 2023 I'm using a 32 inch Caixun TV as Computer Monitor.
It runs 1360 x 768 Pixel at 60 Hz, 24 bit color depth.
It is connected via HDMI to the graphics card.
I'm fine with that.

[Grey]

to do things better than what I had

What kind of things?
It's just that I've noticed for a long time that when someone advertises some new device, they say "you can surf the Internet, watch videos, play AND MUCH MORE!!!" What is this mysterious "and more"? At the same time, there is usually no revolutionary component.

[superhik]

to do things better than what I had

What kind of things?
It's just that I've noticed for a long time that when someone advertises some new device, they say "you can surf the Internet, watch videos, play AND MUCH MORE!!!" What is this mysterious "and more"? At the same time, there is usually no revolutionary component.

Economic propagandists intentionally leave it open for your imagination. Just buy our shit and the sky is the limit. You can even take it with you to the bathroom while you do number 2. Just yesterday I saw there are smart toilets, don't even try to imagine what much much more includes.
Years ago I had two classes that were teaching me psychology: marketing and web design. What colors and shapes mean, how to form sentence, what words to use, and... much, much more . Essentially how to influence people on subconscious emotional level. Even professior described marketing as a necessary evil. If you are honest and don't override consciousness by appealing to the emotional side of your customers, you cannot succeed. People are trained to look for the colorful package that is triggering their hidden wants. In commercials car is not just a basic tool of transport, it it a symbol of status.
I also saw this same pattern with the social media managers. They use propaganda techniques to create digital content that aims to attract people. They make people look more appealing, cool, mysterious, attractive. When you use photoshop and AI tools to edit photos that's the same thing. Even photographs set the scene, positions of the actors, lightning, and much, much more.
Essentially it's everywhere you look, if you have special glasses like in that old film/movie They Live from 1988, or at least you bother to think about it.
People are quick to judge because it's like an easy shortcut, thinking is heavy lifting. And people prefer to let subconscious do the work instead of making conscious decisions. Walking down the line of the least resistance. So when the media says "moderate Jihadis" like this week people though how romantic that sounds.

[wizard]

@vektor_alian

Every modern TV I have used with a computer has cutoff 50 pixels on each side and 30 pixels off the top and bottom.

This is a result of a technique called "over scanning" carried over from CRT screen TV's. In short, people expect the TV picture to fill the screen from edge to edge. Over scanning guarantees this since it makes the picture slightly larger than the screen. The loss of edge picture is not a problem for a TV program since little or nothing is happening on the edges. It is a BIG problem for a computer monitor.

SOME TV's allow you to correct this in the video settings.

wizard

[superhik]

@vektor_alian

Every modern TV I have used with a computer has cutoff 50 pixels on each side and 30 pixels off the top and bottom.

This is a result of a technique called "over scanning" carried over from CRT screen TV's. In short, people expect the TV picture to fill the screen from edge to edge. Over scanning guarantees this since it makes the picture slightly larger than the screen. The loss of edge picture is not a problem for a TV program since little or nothing is happening on the edges. It is a BIG problem for a computer monitor.

SOME TV's allow you to correct this in the video settings.

wizard

Some do have Dot by Dot mode, but from manufacturer to manufacturer it has different settings and terminology. On the graphics card side if it's Nvidia there is an underscan slider in the Nvidia X display settings. Not sure about AMD / ATI.

[Grey]

At the same time, there is usually no revolutionary component.

Economic propagandists
Years ago
And people prefer

That's exactly in this case, not just a revolutionary component, it's a full-fledged revolutionary... almost Che. 10 years ago, I would have been content with little too. But now I would not give up a big house and a huge TV with a Raspberry connected to it, and I would stand ten meters away and play emulator games. But I don't have much money for it (although I have four different Raspberries). I hope the "revolutionaries" are not only "scratching their tongues" like me, but doing something

[Clarity]

Your thoughts on this NEW TV-monitor.

How many of you are using Smart TVs as monitors? (I use them as my old eyes appreciate the increased real-estate.)

[bigpup]

But the battery powering it, only lasts 3 hours, before it needs to have a total recharge.

[rooslootoo]

I saw your reply on TV being Monitors, I have been using them for over 10 years, 1080P/4K at 60FPS and the Latency is fine and once your past a certain age 60FPS is adequate but personally I use them so I don't wear glasses unless I'm reading a laptop, 350/400$

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