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I made 64bit Fossa64-Small v5f - 176mb - a cut-down fossapup64-9.5 (which was made by PhilB).

Has kernel 5.4.285. Has snd_soc_skl unset, as it caused crashes.
Run-as-spot works. Firmware fdrv is 17.4mb (has i915) - bigger one below. Iso is legacy boot only.
Has Netsurf very basic browser running as root - do NOT log into sites, as likely can't logout.
Has Internet menu entry to get Firefox (run-as-spot). Could replace adrv with another browser.
This has kernel 5.4.285 - which has extra drivers & spectre v2 fix. bdrv is also available for use.
If another kernel is substituted, must delete fossapupinitmodules.txt, if exists.

This is capable of normal aufs & sfs-view-only-overlayfs, using punionfs in grub/syslinux .cfg.
Note: savefiles/folders cannot be shared by aufs & overlayfs, due to different structures.
Use at own risk.

v5f here: https://archive.org/download/puppy_linu ... sml-5f.iso

Has ffmpeg, osmo, viewnior, pcdlite cd player 0.86, cups-gsij (basic printing), Ted rtf wordprocessor.
Ted is not linked directly to rtf, but right-click on an rtf in filemanager will offer Ted option.
Has Gparted, Pupsysinfo, calcoo, calendar, evince, gftp, leafpad, mtpaint, pupmtp.
Has setspot, setblt, updatesfsf. Has cd/dvd blanker & iso-burner.
Has basic audioplayer - mp3, ogg, wav, au (click on file to play).
If bigger media player added, this is still available by running audplay (filename) from command line.

Has a basic ffplay-based mediaplayer (click on file to play). Plays many video formats.
Useful keys: q=quit, p=pause/resume, left arrow=back 10 sec, right arrow=forward 10 sec,
down arrow=back 1 min, up arrow=forward 1 min, page down=back 10 min, page up=forward 10 min.
If bigger media player added, this is still available by running vidplay (filename) from command line.
Can convert formats via ffmpeg (i.e. ffmpeg -i my.rm my.mp4).
Has dvd vob player (unencrypted dvds only).

Can add .pets listed below - some combos might not work as expected.
Has no full mediaplayer. Some updated multimedia player.pets below.

.pets to try (note - earlier versions not compatible with v4 on & these are specific to v4 on):

abiwgnum: https://www.mediafire.com/file/e099bmel ... l.pet/file
- Has insert symbol fix.

clawsmail: https://www.mediafire.com/file/cpypztx1 ... l.pet/file

flshgms: https://www.mediafire.com/file/c9qb4w14 ... l.pet/file

gnome-mplayer: https://www.mediafire.com/file/m9afb2eb ... l.pet/file
- I have set x11 video, alsa sound, 8mb cache. Some folk may need other settings.

gutenp: https://www.mediafire.com/file/mp9qty5h ... l.pet/file

loffice: https://www.mediafire.com/file/ux4xadil ... l.pet/file
- Puts an entry in Document menu. Default saves to /root/Documents , in ms2007- format. Is set to US
- to change this, go to: tools/options/language settings/languages - edit locale & western settings.

mpv: https://www.mediafire.com/file/ujy7wy5n ... l.pet/file

mstrpf4: https://www.mediafire.com/file/yoiu1wl1 ... l.pet/file

xine: https://www.mediafire.com/file/uvja0256 ... l.pet/file
- does not play rm, ogg, webm OR CDs (pcdlite can play CDs). Does play DVDs.

xpat2: https://www.mediafire.com/file/ygzvk9mb ... l.pet/file

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A collection of my latest fdrvs is here (must rename fdrvs to suit puppy to be used):
viewtopic.php?p=121635#p121635

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kernel 5.4.285 plus sources & headers in forum Kernels section.
devx is here: https://archive.org/download/puppy_linu ... 64_9.5.sfs

v3c released. See 1st post.

LXDE addon (needs slight rename):
https://sourceforge.net/projects/lxpup/ ... s/download

@peebee - Nice!

I made 2 changes & used it in Fossa64-MID (these work in Small too):

1. /root/Startup/startup-sound became (otherwise in MID xine runs without closing):

#!/bin/sh
## If mp3 launch with madplay. If wav launch with aplay.
madplay "/usr/share/audio/sys-login.mp3" &

2. in /root/.config/lxpanel/LXDE/panels/panel at line 65, I inserted:

Button {
id=lxterminal.desktop
}

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LATER: v4 on, startup sounds can be launched with audplay (either mp3 or wav).

v4 released. ffmpeg completely new & more compatible with this pup than earlier versions. See 1st post.

v5 released. New kernel & initrd, allowing simple overlay option. Minor updates. See 1st post.

My 'small' install updated from v4dao (testing) to v5 on Oct 1. No issues noted on this 2nd gen i5 all intel laptop (Fujitsu S761) in a couple of days use. Running with the stock kernel, overlay filesystem, no savefile, and with a ydrive containing LXDE and my customizations and links to portable applications. So far just normal daily use, multimedia stuff tested pretty thoroughly in v4dao. Using this install as my daily.

The newest Brave and ungoogled-chromium portable browsers run well for me with it. The newest Slimjet wants glibc 2.33 so that's out but I keep Version 42.0.3.0 of that in my portables directory and that runs well and isn't old enough so any sites have complained about it.

Thanks,

Have been using this Fossa64Small for a while now as my daily driver and it is very capable.
Even handles printing and scanning on my Brother MFC.

Tonight I have been trialling MullvadBrowser as mentioned here

It may be a bit of a controversial browser but supposedly it reduces browser fingerprinting and is quite secure.

In the interests of running it the same way I use other browsers i made a .pet of it which is happy to run as root.
This probably means I have compromised it's original level of security - but it seems to work pretty well.
I tested the fingerprint resistance by going to some fingerprinting test sites (eg: https://privecstasy.com/browser-fingerprinting-test/) and it seems to return a different print each time the test is run (as opposed to Firefox which always returned the same print)

Anyway - if anyone wishes to try it in Fossa64 Small here it is:
(Please use caution. Use at own risk. Under testing)
Mullvad browser:
https://www.mediafire.com/file/xpbgt0j5 ... 0.pet/file
(approx 100MB download)

Seems to increase my cpu temps a little - but maybe that sacrifice might be acceptable to users wanting a little more anonymity?
(I should also mention that the desktop menu file it is set to run mullvad via apulse - in order to enable sound)

@ozsouth What is/was the fix for the " insert symbol" issue with Abiword. Is it something small that I can add to the package I installed originally (for Fossa Bas)? Thanks.

@amethyst - greengeek dicovered that a slightly older ubuntu version of abiword executable allowed (slow) insertion of symbols without crashing & didn't cause other issues.

ozsouth wrote: Fri Oct 25, 2024 9:28 pm

@amethyst - greengeek dicovered that a slightly older ubuntu version of abiword executable allowed (slow) insertion of symbols without crashing & didn't cause other issues. Attached below - remove .fake.gz & replace currrent version in /usr/bin.

This one didn't work for me (Abiword doesn't run) however the one in your package provided in this thread does seem to, albeit with some delay in the operation. Thanks.

Sometimes I like to play my entire music directory in the background without having to manually select tracks or change CDs etc.

Here is a utility that plays all wavs and mp3 files from the directory you choose.

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Fossa64Small already includes aplay (for wavs) and madplay (for mp3's) so this utility adds very little else.
The utility also reaches inside any subdirectories.
I can't clearly say in what order it will play your tracks - you may need to bring your favourite tracks out of the subdirectories (moving the boring tracks elsewhere...), and possibly even rename tracks in such a way that they play more randomly. Worth a try anyway...
(You can of course build multiple directories containing different genres that contain different types of music for different purposes...)
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I have been too quick with deleting my V4 iso after downloading V5. V5 doesn't boot on my box anymore (Dell Dimension 5150).
Where can I get back V4?

It is the same with mid9, but luckily I have kept mid7.

Another question: in the Noblepup64-low thread @Marv said glibc updates have been done. Like him I love Fossa64-small and would like to keep it working with raw photo editors. But new versions of Rawspeed (the library providing the decoders for camera raw files) need glibc 2.35.
Any chance for this?

@dellus - Firstly, I'd be interested in what doesn't work (boot errors, other things) in the last small & mid. The main change was to add basic overlayfs capability.
Secondly, the previous versions are here (scroll down a bit): https://archive.org/download/puppy_linux_-fossapup64.
Finally, I consider small & mid generally complete (I did update security files to 2023 versions early this year & other folk are making pets). I haven't successfully updated glibc in anything & am working on newer puppies now. Anyone is welcome to continue small & mid development.

dellus wrote: Thu Nov 07, 2024 9:45 pm

Another question: in the Noblepup64-low thread @Marv said glibc updates have been done. Like him I love Fossa64-small and would like to keep it working with raw photo editors. But new versions of Rawspeed (the library providing the decoders for camera raw files) need glibc 2.35.
Any chance for this?

My note on that referred to the overall puppy universe. I haven't seen or attempted this on fossapup64-small, mid, etc. When I really need a newer glibc, -not often so far- I go to a newer but proven pup. Noblepup64 has been rock solid for me with Noblepup64-low being what I am currently running there. Bookworm64 doesn't do well on my hardware but works well for many and has the requisite glibc, as does the current Voidpup64. For me, the 'time to usefulness' factor is better with that approach.

Just my 2 cents worth,

@dellus

Can you let me inform me how you know that Rawspeed requires GLibc 2.35 ?

Out of interest, I did download it from GitHub and the only requirements that I need are GCC 12 and the Google Test Suite to compile the application.

As suggested, Noblepup has GCC 13.

Darktable requires GLibc 2.35.

@ozsouth

The 'initial' Dunst display notification on my monitor goes across the entire length.

The attached PET file will give a smaller notification panel.

@Jasper

Rawspeed requires GLibc 2.35?:

https://ansel.photos/en/news/changes-appimage/

Yes I could use NoblePup, but it is much much larger, so I would prefer to stick to Fossa64-Small.

@dellus

Rawspeed (the library providing the decoders for camera raw files) has deprecated support for GCC < 12.

As stated before, it only needs a recent GCC compiler to build .... nothing else.

It means any Linux distribution having libc older than 2.35 will not be able to start the new AppImages starting today.

Again, the only way you will get the 'AppImage' to run will be on a newer build ie JammyPup NoblePup, VoidPup, Fatdog64-903 Final, EasyOS .......... maybe the KL distros (?).

Ubuntu 20.04 and other LTS/old stable distributions (Debian stable) may be affected.

@ozsouth :
When I try to boot Fossa64-Small V5 via SG2D on the booting screen at the second line there is only ~# and a blinking cursor, the process halts there and nothing goes on.
With V4 it goes on to a working desktop.
Thanks for the link to V4.

@Jasper :
I don't have any knowledge on compiling.
I will keep on using older raw editor appimages with fossa64 until I feel the urgent desire to switch to newer ones. I might use Noblepup low to test these.
For all other purposes fossa64 fullfills my needs. I mainly use appimages.
Thanks.

v5f released. Has new kernel 5.4.285 (Aufs/Overlayfs) with extra drivers & spectre v2 fix. See 1st post

(f could also be for finished product, as base pup is 4.5 years old & my base security updates over a year old).

Newest Google-Chrome not running for me. Opera and Palemoon running but no video in youtube (video can't play) and streaming no video either. I have a slightly older Chrome Portable which does play everything. I'm a missing some libraries with peebee's newest browsers I have downloaded?

@amethyst - I usually just test with Firefox & sometimes Palemoon. They work for me, so I rarely look at other browsers. Even Firefox is changing their base, so I think this is the end of the line for versatility with this series. We're being dragged along by cutting edge folk.

ozsouth wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2024 11:00 am

@amethyst - I usually just test with Firefox & sometimes Palemoon. They work for me, so I rarely look at other browsers. Even Firefox is changing their base, so I think this is the end of the line for versatility with this series. We're being dragged along by cutting edge folk.

Palemoon actually works but it's almost unusable, that browser has gone back at a rate of knots. There is a possibility that Chrome and Chromium's latest offerings require newer glibc (didn't check). Anyways - Everything still works with Chrome version 122 (which is about 6 months old) on this Puppy so still okay.

Good news. Have been able to update the older Chrome version to the latest version by running the provided update script in Chrome portable. So the latest still runs on this.

The three browsers I run as portables in all my pups are all chromium derivatives. Brave, Slimjet, and ungoogled-chromium. The current Brave and ungoogled continue to run correctly in fossapup64-small version 5. Slimjet started requiring a newer glibc after version 42.0.3.0 so I keep a copy of that version in my portables directory for small to use. The newest versions of all three run fine for me in my current installs of VoidPup64, Noblepup64-low, and LxPupSc64. I'm not running Bookworm64 at the present so no tests there.

Wow, this has been downloaded 50 times in last 2 days, after 20 in the previous 10.
Has someone posted a link on a major site?
Would love some feedback if not a bot doing it.

ozsouth wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2024 9:33 am

Wow, this has been downloaded 50 times in last 2 days, after 20 in the previous 10.
Has someone posted a link on a major site?
Would love some feedback if not a bot doing it.

Yes, does seem a lot. BTW - I'm using my Fossa Fire based on your original stripped down version on a daily basis and it does everything I need. I've recently made an iso of that (previously basically just provided the base sfs) and uploaded it to google drive. Can't see how many have downloaded that.

If you have a Brother inkjet or laser MFC (eg: fax/copy/print/scan) or DCP (copy/print/scan) you can easily scan even if you have no print driver, or if you have run out of ink or toner etc.

I have made a pet that works on F95Small for a large variety of Brother MFC and DCP models.

See here:
https://www.forum.puppylinux.com/viewto ... 89#p136589

EDIT Dec09:
Updated with version 02 which adds support for more of the latest Brother models - using brscan5.

ozsouth wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2024 9:33 am

Wow, this has been downloaded 50 times in last 2 days, after 20 in the previous 10.
Has someone posted a link on a major site?
Would love some feedback if not a bot doing it.

I think more people are finding it through ChatGPT and other AI model engines. This forum is scraped hourly by AI bots pulling information to build up the language models. The AI searches are creating more and more detailed responses to Puppy Linux, DebianDog and Kennel Linux queries and directing traffic to this forum and to the repos and archives containing the stuff.