Discussion, talk and tips
https://forum.puppylinux.com/
My previous wine thread:
http://oldforum.puppylinux.com/viewtopic.php?t=88711
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Wine information:
https://version2013.yolasite.com/page10
Wine packages:
https://version2013.yolasite.com/page1#wine
Latest Stable: 9.0
Latest Development: 9.14
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Forum post with example link to my archive.org repo:
http://forum.puppylinux.com/viewtopic.p ... 277#p38277
See the next post regarding setting up wine.
The following versions of wine-portable combine the work of shinobar and the Japanese Team, creating the wine-portable structure using wine-versions 1.7x (and earlier) with version2013's later builds of wine, specifically --as noted in their names-- version 2.16 and version 3.3. The 3.3 version was built following reports that 2.16 did not work well under Bionicpup. AFAIK, 3.3 will work with any Series 5 or later Puppy.
wine-portable-2.16.tar.gz, http://smokey01.com/ttuuxxx/Wine-Portable/
wine-portable-3.3...tar.gz https://www.mediafire.com/folder/mso580 ... rtableWine
The principal advantage of using wine-portable is if you employ a SaveFile. Under Wine, window programs are installed into a "false drive_c". Wine-portable is located outside of "Puppy-Space" and only linked to Puppy via a few files. Consequently, its drive_c does not occupy space in your SaveFile: only the size of the partition it is on determines how much space can be occupied by Window programs. It provides this lesser advantage if you are using a SaveFolder in that the entire Wine-portable folder --including any programs you've installed-- can be moved or copied to a different computer without having to re-install programs. Additionally, the same wine-portable can be used by many Puppies (and debiandogs) on your computer.
It has few, if any, advantages over using wine-partially-externalized: perhaps only the ease in setting it up. When I can, I'll provide instructions on how to use any of Version2013's 32-bit wine pets --including the most recent, almost always a good thing-- and partially externalize it. Doing so, greatly reduces the amount of 'puppy-space' used by wine, itself, and also places the "false drive_c" outside of Puppy Space.
To use a wine-portable, download and extract the 'tar.gz'. A "wine-portable-VERSION-NUMBER-tar.gz-extracted" folder will be created. Within it --IIRC two layers deep-- is a folder just named "wine-portable-VERSION-NUMBER". Right-Click it and rename it just wine-portable. Move the folder wherever you want: recommended /mnt/home AKA /mnt/dev_save. Wine-portable is a rox-app. Under most Puppies when you right-click it a menu will pop-up. One of the options on that menu is "Register". If that menu does not appear, Left-click the folder to 'enter it'. Within will be a bash-script named Register. In either case, Left-Click Register. After it has registered a Menu listing "Wine Windows Program Loader" will appear on the System Submenu. It will provide a quick way to start any installed window program. There will also be, on the Utility Submenu, several Menu listings for built-in Wine programs including Wine Config. DON'T DO ANYTHING UNLESS YOU HAVE A WORKING INTERNET CONNECTION. When you do, Left-click the Wine Config listing. It will create the Wine environment. During that process it will offer to download Mono and Gecko.
As soon as I can, I'll post instructions on how to create 'direct' menu listing for installed windows programs and for those 'portable windows programs' which do not/can not be installed into 'drive_c'.
Other than the above, the only difference between working with wine-portable rather than wine is that when necessary to use a command to start a program, that command under wine is "wine NAME_OF_PROGRAM" while under wine portable it is "wine.sh NAME_OF_PROGRAM". Note the '.sh'.
See this post about obtaining version2013's wine pets: https://www.forum.puppylinux.com/viewto ... 776#p63776
Although there may be 64-bit Windows program you may want, and version2013 publishes a 64-bit Wine pet, as far as I am concerned my principal interest in Wine is to run some of the many 32-bit applications created for Windows XP, and perhaps some of the 32-bit Windows programs still being published as newer versions.
The 64-bit version of Wine can not be run under 32-bit operating systems.
In building the 64-bit Wine, version2013 only includes a 32-bit wine-server. It does not run (any?) the vast majority of 32-bit windows programs. FatDog64, debiandogs and perhaps some others operating systems may be 'multi-architecture' OOTB: that is capable of running both 32-and-64 bit applications. But most puppies are not. The only difficulty running 32-bit wine under 32-bit Puppies is remembering to configure wine before trying to install or otherwise use any windows program.
But to run any 32-bit windows program under most 64-bit Puppies, EVEN BEFORE YOU CAN CONFIGURE WINE, you must first create a 32-bit Linux environment. To do that, you have to download a 32-bit compatibility SFS. [In 'Ubuntu' Puppies, it may be available via Quickpet]. After downloading the 32-bit Compatibility.sfs, you use Menu>Setup>SFS-Load on the fly to load it. [Alternatively, right-click the SFS and choose SFS-load from the pop-up menu]. Having sfs-loaded it, open a terminal/console and type the following command:
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ldconfigThe first letter in the above is a 'small' sounds-like "EL" -- neither an i/I nor the number 1.
It should take some time for the ldconfig command to do its job. The compatibility SFS is almost an entire operating system. The ldconfig command creates links between it and your 64-bit operating system. If the terminal's command prompt reappears immediately, there's a good chance the command didn't take. Do it again.
Or better still, see is a 'strictly' 32-bit application less finicky than wine will run. You can find an 'old' opera 12.16 pet here, http://distro.ibiblio.org/puppylinux/pe ... es-common/. No need to install it. Right-Click it and select UExtract from the pop-up menu. Within the extracted folder you'll find a bash-script named "opera". Left-Clicking it will open Opera if your 32-bit environment has been created. [Note, starting Opera will create a hidden folder --Right-Click Rox's Eye to see it-- /root/.opera. that you may want to delete. Or keep Opera somewhere. It still works, 'though many websites won't allow access or present properly].
Only after the 32-bit environment has been successfully created will any attempt to configure wine or wine-portable work.
But I don't program. 
["A man must know his limitations", Dirty Harry Callahan]. So, I remembering the episode in Tom Sawyer where Tom convinced his friends how much fun it would be to paint a fence, I sort of 'conned' Mike Walsh into doing the hard work. 
.....and to think I used to like this guy!!
Indeed, I can't thank you enough for your work, but thank you!version2013 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:56 pm My previous wine thread: [...]
Information about a few saved forum threads: [...]
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Wine information: [...]
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AFAIK, all you do is click to open the PortableApp, then click on its .exe. Works for me, so long as WINE is set up correctly...tlchost wrote: ↑Sun Aug 23, 2020 6:06 pm just made a fossapup64 bootable usb drive and downloaded wine from the quickpet. I remember in older puppies that was a simple addition that allowed one to siply click on a portable windows app and it would run under wine. Does anyone recall that? it seemed a lot simply than issuing the command wine (name of portable windows app).
thanks
It may be correct. Certainly the Devs who make them available know a lot more than I. But now and them someone posted about a problem using one Puppy or another. Version2013 has been publishing wine pets for years. When anyone has had a problem with any of those the discussion and analysis which followed always revealed that the problem was with something that user did, or didn't do. Unscrambling a User Problem is more difficult than telling a User how to get it right in the first place.
mikeslr wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 12:23 amThe following versions of wine-portable combine the work of shinobar and the Japanese Team, creating the wine-portable structure using wine-versions 1.7x (and earlier) with version2013's later builds of wine, specifically --as noted in their names-- version 2.16 and version 3.3. The 3.3 version was built following reports that 2.16 did not work well under Bionicpup. AFAIK, 3.3 will work with any Series 5 or later Puppy.
wine-portable-2.16.tar.gz, http://smokey01.com/ttuuxxx/Wine-Portable/
wine-portable-3.3...tar.gz https://www.mediafire.com/#mso58025te7mz
I had a copy of wine-portable-3.3_v.2.1 running on Dpup Stretch 7.5 on another machine. I tried transferring it to this machine and again running on Dpup Stretch 7.5. However, it does not work. I tried to download another copy of the tar.gz from your mediafire link shown above. This link only takes me to what looks like the mediafire home page. I'm not offered any tar.gz file to download. I'm now wondering if this link is still active. If not can somebody please point me at a site from which this tar.gz can be downloaded.
Regards,
Ken.
Hi Keniv,
Clicked on the link in your post and got the Mediafire log in page. But the account is still active as I could log in. Not sure what the problem is/was. Created a new link. Opened a 2nd web browser, entered that link and it took me to the download folder. Try this link, https://www.mediafire.com/folder/mso580 ... rtableWine.
And now clicking the link in your post works. 
Edit 2: Nope. Seems I clicked the link for the 2.16 version which works, but not your link to the 3.3 version.
Somehow your the text of your link to 3.3 got truncated to:
...mediafire.com/#mso58025te7mz
the actual link is:
...mediafire.com/folder/mso58025te7mz/PortableWine
Note re above: I had to remove everything before the last "w." from the URLs otherwise the Forum automatically creates a URL link which doesn't show the entire URL.
Checked my post on this Forum providing the link to 3.3. I guess that somehow was me. 
Fixed.
mikeslr wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 4:40 pmHi Keniv,
Clicked on the link in your post and got the Mediafire log in page. But the account is still active as I could log in. Not sure what the problem is/was. Created a new link. Opened a 2nd web browser, entered that link and it took me to the download folder. Try this link, https://www.mediafire.com/folder/mso580 ... rtableWine.
Just to confirm that your new link works for me and I've downloaded unpacked and installed Portable Wine 3.3_v2.1 on sda1. Have tested it and it's working. Thanks for this.
Regards,
Ken.
Thanks, keniv, for calling it to my attention.
It's bad enough that your mind plays tricks on you. You often see what you thought your wrote rather than what you actually wrote. What's surprising is that you don't always end up publishing gibberish when you can't see what you actually wrote. 
By "you" I mean "me". AFAIK, to clearly state what was meant the above paragraph should have begun with "It's bad enough that one's mind play tricks on one." 
But nobody talks like that.
Unfortunately the links to lilfile.com for version2013's PETs are not working for me. I get an "Address Not Found" error. Does anyone know of another mirror for these files?
Hi ahoppin,
You're right. Or were. I'm not sure what happened. After reading your post I tried the link on the OP and could only access wine pets version 5 and more recent. Spent some time exploring version2013's repo and discovered these links to backups at archive.org:
The important content of this website, is backed up at:
https://archive.org/download/Puppy_Linu ... repository
in the format of "version2013_date.tar"
Partial archive of this website, located:
https://web.archive.org/web/*/http://ve ... asite.com*
Then, to write it up/respond, went back to the OP where clicking:
Wine packages:
https://version2013.yolasite.com/page1#wine
opened to the full repo.
The page https://version2013.yolasite.com/page1.php works fine for me, but the links on it point to lilfile.com - and my browser (Seamonkey) says "Address Not Found. lilfile.com could not be found. Please check the name and try again."
However, the first archive.org mirror you posted is working, so thanks for that!
Example link to my archive.org repo
First go here:
https://version2013.yolasite.com/page1.php#wine-6.16
This line:
> > wine/6.16/
The greater-than character ">" is a link to:
https://archive.org/download/Puppy_Linu ... -6.16.tar/
Edit August 20, 2022: You can directly download pets from here: https://archive.org/download/Puppy_Linu ... Repository. Thanks, again, ally.
Currently, August 5, 2022, some internal links within version2013's repository are broken. [? Problem with url-shortening?]
As previous posts indicated, you can start here, https://version2013.yolasite.com/page1.php#wine. Then scroll down to the version you are interested in. Click the > at the far left. This screenshot circled an example in pink for clarity.
That will take you to the location on archive.org of the pet you want. Edit per MikeWalsh's post following: Then click on that pet to download it.
The method suggested in the previous post will download a tar archive which, containing a couple of versions plus dev and doc files, is much larger and has to be 'untarred'.
FYI --the meaning of the numbers following the "v", e.g, wine-3.3_v.3.2.
The first number -- in this case 3-- indicates it was compiled under Tahrpup32. "2" would indicate it was compiled under racy. "1" under Puppy 4.31.1. "4" indicates that it was compiled under Tahrpup64.
FWIW, as I have no interest in running Window 64 bit programs, I always select a "3". If, however, you are running a Puppy published before Tahrpup32, you should probably select version '1' or '2', whichever was compiled under a Puppy closest in time to the original publication of the 1st version of your Puppy as your Puppy might not contain the infra-structure required by 'higher' versions.
The second number, in the above case "2", indicates whether or not the pet has been stripped. 1=true, 2=false. WineHQ suggests that if you want assistance from them it should not be. But it's unlikely that they could provide any assistance regarding wine deployed to Puppys as Puppys function differently than other Linuxes.
@mikeslr :-
No need to download the whole archive, Mike. Click that arrow to take you to archive.org, yes.....then all you need to do is to click on the item you actually want, and it'll download by itself.
I've had a couple of items off there myself this afternoon. That's how I know.
(*Check your inbox!*)
T'other Mike.
@ MikeWalsh, I edited the text to reflect your 'addition'. 'Thought it was implied/obvious. That's why writers need editors and lawyers secretaries.
Thanks for reminding me to check my inbox. But I might have thought of doing that in a month or two.
mikewalsh wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 9:46 pm@mikeslr :-
No need to download the whole archive, Mike. Click that arrow to take you to archive.org, yes.....then all you need to do is to click on the item you actually want, and it'll download by itself.
I've had a couple of items off there myself this afternoon. That's how I know.
(*Check your inbox!*)
T'other Mike.
Yes, and a further tip for archive.org. In many cases there is an option to view the contents of an archived item. So you could have a look at the contents of an iso file for example. This could give you the list of contents of the iso but the nice thing is that one can actually download a file from the list directly without downloading the whole iso. Very handy.
I assume the reference to broken links are the ones pointing to lilfile.com
lilfile.com has been down several times before, but only temporarily.
I thought this time would also be temporary.
It is a long outage, so possibly permanent.
I am getting less inclined to use a file host that only has links to individual files and not folders/directories.
It is time to clean up and remove those broken links.
Which is the best wine version for F96?
Wrong question. AFAIK, F96 will run wine however it's been packaged: verison2013's pets-directly*, a wine-portable using version2013's pet, but packaged as a portable using shinobar/the Japanese Teams technique; one of MikeWalsh's portables employing an AppImage or [If you don't mind having wine-preffixes each up to a gb occuppying RAM] an AppImage directly.
The important question is what programs you want to use and which iteration of wine provides the best results. To find out, use https://appdb.winehq.org/ search box, then read the test results and comments.
The general rules are (1) WineHq only reports on installs and frequently portables run as well or better. [My guess is that wine's registry is not exactly equivalent to Windows' registry and portables are created so as not to write to a registry]. (2) Newer iterations of wine are usually better, but not always.
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Version2013's pets create wine-prefixes in 'Puppy-Space' [IIRC, in /root], will be preserved in the SaveFile/Folder and will always require some RAM even when not in use. However, before executing a Save that prefix (and most other components of wine) can be externalized. See this post, viewtopic.php?p=335&sid=3094d03e1e80eb6 ... 405af#p335
"~/.wine is just the default wineprefix (a.k.a. "configuration directory" or "bottle")."
https://wiki.winehq.org/FAQ#Can_I_store ... 2F.wine.3F
Years ago I used the default wineprefix for all windows applications I installed and used.
It has been quite some time that I switched to using wineprefixes that are located somewhere in "/mnt/home/", outside of the puppy savefile/savefolder.
A bit more information:
https://version2013.yolasite.com/page10.php#tips