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@gyrog
The lxrandr pet package for BW64 is available at the following link:
https://smokey01.com/radky/puppy-bookwo ... _amd64.pet
Caveat: The LXRandR monitor configuration tool changes screen settings after X has started and the desktop background (Rox pinboard) is already set. The delayed change of screen settings can distort the visualized pinboard until X is started once again.
Pulse Capture Gui that should work on Bookworm Pup64 here: viewtopic.php?t=9519
radky wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2023 3:50 pmThe lxrandr pet package for BW64 is available at the following link:
https://smokey01.com/radky/puppy-bookwo ... _amd64.pet
Caveat: The LXRandR monitor configuration tool changes screen settings after X has started and the desktop background (Rox pinboard) is already set. The delayed change of screen settings can distort the visualized pinboard until X is started once again.
Thanks, that worked fine.
I would have hoped that this would have been included in the release.
Will paulseaudio-equalizer-ladspa work with this distribution? I know nothing about pipewire which is the sound server here apparently but I see there is a pulseaudio compatible package builtin. If so which package of the ladspa equalizer should I install and how? If not, I suggest that the sound tools (with the equalizer), "EasyEffects" as mentioned by radky be included in the next version.
Thank you ! per Bookworm Pup64 Super Puppy 
@Sofiya
Great desktop theming
Thanks for sharing !
amethyst wrote: ↑Wed Sep 13, 2023 12:23 pmWill paulseaudio-equalizer-ladspa work with this distribution? I know nothing about pipewire which is the sound server here apparently but I see there is a pulseaudio compatible package builtin. If so which package of the ladspa equalizer should I install and how? If not, I suggest that the sound tools (with the equalizer), "EasyEffects" as mentioned by radky be included in the next version.
@amethyst
The paulseaudio-equalizer-ladspa package is designed specifically for PulseAudio, not for the pipewire-pulse interface of PipeWire.
EasyEffects (and dependencies) would add about 33 MB to the zstd compressed BW64 ISO. Granted, EasyEffects is useful for audiophiles but I'm not sure the default inclusion in the BW64 ISO would provide significant value for the average user.
The APT package manager will easily install large (optional) applications that are not included in the base BW64 ISO -- for example: GIMP, Inkscape, Libreoffice and EasyEffects. That said, EasyEffects (and all dependencies) plus the requisite plugins are easily installed by a simple (one-line) APT command:
apt update && apt install easyeffects lsp-plugins-lv2
EasyEffects provides comprehensive control of pipewire audio via multiple plugin effects (included in the installation), for example: Bass Enhancer, Bass Loudness, Compressor, Convolver, Crossfeed, Crystalizer, Deesser, Delay, Echo Canceller, and Equalizer. Likely, you will not require the functions of all available plugins -- so you can add (enable) only the specific plugins required, such as the graphic Equalizer option for Audio Output and/or Input.
See also:
Until they have a simple, small basic sound equalizer for pipewire I'm going back using pulseaudio or even just ALSA with an older Puppy.
See next 2 posts.
ozsouth wrote: ↑Thu Sep 14, 2023 4:31 am@radky - as I discussed here: https://forum.puppylinux.com/viewtopic. ... 586#p98586 ,
I recompressed (medium level: -b 512K -comp xz -Xdict-size 50%) your sfs's for 10.0.2, set /root permissions to 700, & included updatesfsb (which I used for compression) to /usr/local/bin. I wanted to make something that would fit on a CD. Is 674mb. I can post a link unless you object.
@ozsouth
I have no objections 
Thanks for your interest in BW64 !
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I have tested BWPup64 and is good. It is auto detected my static gateway etc. However, after manual IP settings, after the apply, the window is not closing and required manual closing. However, manual static IP effected in the setup. Also another notable feature while setting up Network Printer, it auto detected the Canon Printer and its static IP address !. Installed google chrome browser and all are working.
A newish aufs enabled kernel that will work with this Puppy?
@amethyst - could try this one: https://forum.puppylinux.com/viewtopic. ... 366#p86366
ozsouth wrote: ↑Thu Sep 14, 2023 10:56 pmMore compressed version of BookwormPup64 (medium level: -b 512K -comp xz -Xdict-size 50% - 674mb) created via pCompress, with /root permissions set to 700 (as suggested earlier) & updatesfsb (which I used for compression) in /usr/local/bin. Fits on a CD, which booted fine on my HP G5 i3 laptop.
Iso here: https://www.mediafire.com/file/2c85pvg9 ... b.iso/file
Thanks for that Ozsouth. Burned and booted fine on my Acer 5349-2635 laptop.
Bookworm 10.0.2b (frugal installed from ozsouth compressed live CD, and frugalpup)
Acer laptop in sig below.
Because I'm new to Bookworm here, I'm not sure how it is supposed to act when performing some functions, so pardon if I'm asking a question about what is actually normal behavior.
When I click on a drive icon on the desktop, a window with the drive contents opens, but simultaneously all drive icons disappear, as does Conky and desktop icons, other than the HOME folder icon.
If I click on the Home icon, the missing items return.
Is this the expected behavior?
EDIT.....nope it's not. I replaced the main Bookworm SFS with a freshly downloaded non-CD-compressed version, and made a personal savefile, closed Bookworm and after next boot, the issue went away. So not sure which of those two actions made a difference, but opening a drive window now behaves as it should. So ignore the above.
@vtpup - the only change I made (other than compression) was to make /root permissions 700 , as suggested here: https://forum.puppylinux.com/viewtopic. ... 045#p98045.
Tested OK on my pc. Could be a video driver error, but then original would do the same thing.
Would you please run the compressed CD version again, & before anything else, in a terminal run: chmod 755 /root
then try your drive icon action. Radky intends to make the 700 change next release & it would be good to know if that is the problem.
ozsouth, I booted up the CD to check (takes a long time) and the Live CD version booted Bookworm running in RAM does not show that issue. Therefore I don't think it was either the compression or the permissions change that had anything to do with it. So that narrows it down to the original frugal installation.
I'm guessing the main Bookworm sfs was somehow corrupted in copying from the CD, since replacing that file cured the issue for the frugal installation.
In a new OS sometimes you don't know if what is happening is an intentional change, or an obvious failure. If it had happened in a more traditional puppy, I'd have guessed right away that it was an installation problem. Figured I'd better ask first with this one, but obvious now it shouldn't act that way. Hindsight.....
Request: Gnome-MPlayer or SMPlayer or VLC specifically compiled for this Puppy. I see Mplayer not included. Thanks. BTW - I really like this Puppy, very good.
@amethyst
If you are interested in a pet or sfs package, maybe one of our forum member will reply. However, the APT Package Manager also provides easy installation of the SMPlayer Media Player. BW64 already has the requisite MPV and Qt 5 dependencies, so installing SMPlayer adds relatively few additional files to your system (2 MB of archives).
apt update && apt install smplayer
If forum member are interested, SMPlayer could be added to the next release of BW64 with relatively little increase in ISO size.
APT will also install VLC Media Player, but the installation adds about 39 dependencies (29 MB of archives) to the BW64 file system.
radky wrote: ↑Sat Sep 16, 2023 4:22 am@amethyst
If you are interested in a pet or sfs package, maybe one of our forum member will reply. However, the APT Package Manager also provides easy installation of the SMPlayer Media Player. BW64 already has the requisite MPV and Qt 5 dependencies, so installing SMPlayer adds relatively few additional files to your system (2 MB of archives).
apt update && apt install smplayerIf forum member are interested, SMPlayer could be added to the next release of BW64 with relatively little increase in ISO size.
APT will also install VLC Media Player, but the installation adds about 39 dependencies (29 MB of archives) to the BW64 file system.
@radky - Thanks. So every time you want to install something it's an update of many MB's to APT. Geez guys, where are we going with this? Not going to do it. I'll wait for a kind soul to make a package for me. SMplayer will be cool, pet or sfs but will its SMplayer's builtin equalizer work? I've never used apt (I don't use package managers anyway) but can one download the files without it being installed immediately like the standard/old Puppy Package Manager? Edit: Took the plunge. installed via apt (the apt update was about 70MB 
). The audio equalizer does not work (related to pipewire I suppose). Back to square one...
You can empty /var/lib/apt/lists after you install a package, but that means you'll need to run apt-get update again, next time you want to install a package.
This is also true for PPM, the package lists are huge because the Debian repos include many packages. You need to have those package lists to be able to download a package. (Many Puppy releases that include PPM also include those huge package lists in the main SFS, but they're outdated, so you have to download them anyway.)
You must choose between extra size on disk (having those package lists) or slower installation of packages and repeated download of the same thing (re-download the package lists every time).
IMO the default of keeping the package lists makes sense. Think of it like browser cache: your browser would be many times slower if every image had to be re-downloaded on every access.
Okay, I've isolated the required files for smplayer and made a .pet (about 2MB) which you can download here if you are interested: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1rwSvOS ... sp=sharing. At least I have a working smplayer now without having to make the huge updates to apt just for downloading, etc. Also- smplayer's builtin audio equalizer does work albeit not as smoothly as with alsa at first (it takes a bit of time to "take" but eventually you will get there).
Tried to make an sfs but that wouldn't load neither as an additional drive (kernel panic) nor loading during session. Probably some BS concerning the overlays/sfs_load combination.
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Thanks, amethyst for the smplayer pet. I'll install it into my SaveFolder. When radky publishes the updated version of Bookworm I'll remove it, or not use the SaveFolder at all.
Just wanted to remind you that your Utility's Save2SFS and Remasters are even more important under Bookworm than Puppys that can more easily manage SFSes. You could have used apt/synaptic to install smplayer; test it, then update 'ydrv' and again operate without a Save or, as I do, use two 'menu.lstings', one with pfix=ram.
I've just made a manual frugal install onto an ssd of BookwormPup64 10.0.2 booting with grub2. This booted to the desktop. After a little setting up I decided to try an update via a terminal. Below is the output of that attempt.
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# apt update
Get:1 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm InRelease [151 kB]
Get:2 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm-updates InRelease [52.1 kB]
Get:3 http://deb.debian.org/debian-security bookworm-security InRelease [48.0 kB]
Get:4 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm/main amd64 Packages [8,906 kB]
Get:5 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm/main Translation-en [6,078 kB]
Get:6 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm/main all Contents (deb) [32.9 MB]
Get:7 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm/main amd64 Contents (deb) [11.5 MB]
Get:8 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm/contrib amd64 Packages [54.3 kB]
Get:9 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm/contrib Translation-en [48.7 kB]
Get:10 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm/contrib all Contents (deb) [98.6 kB]
Get:11 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm/contrib amd64 Contents (deb) [61.2 kB]
Get:12 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm/non-free amd64 Packages [98.6 kB]
Get:13 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm/non-free Translation-en [67.2 kB]
Get:14 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm/non-free all Contents (deb) [839 kB]
Get:15 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm/non-free amd64 Contents (deb) [76.5 kB]
Get:16 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm/non-free-firmware amd64 Packages [6,240 B]
Get:17 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm/non-free-firmware Translation-en [20.9 kB]
Get:18 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm/non-free-firmware all Contents (deb) [16.9 kB]
Get:19 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm/non-free-firmware amd64 Contents (deb) [972 B]
Get:20 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm-updates/main amd64 Packages [6,432 B]
Get:21 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm-updates/main Translation-en [5,000 B]
Get:22 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm-updates/main amd64 Contents (deb) [11.5 kB]
Get:23 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm-updates/main all Contents (deb) [2,254 B]
Get:24 http://deb.debian.org/debian-security bookworm-security/main amd64 Packages [62.1 kB]
Get:25 http://deb.debian.org/debian-security bookworm-security/main Translation-en [37.5 kB]
Get:26 http://deb.debian.org/debian-security bookworm-security/non-free-firmware amd64 Packages [680 B]
Get:27 http://deb.debian.org/debian-security bookworm-security/non-free-firmware Translation-en [464 B]
Fetched 61.2 MB in 32s (1,943 kB/s)
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Reading state information... Done
4 packages can be upgraded. Run 'apt list --upgradable' to see them.
# apt upgrade
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Reading state information... Done
Calculating upgrade... Done
The following packages have been kept back:
libwebp7 libwebpdemux2 libwebpmux3 linux-libc-dev
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 4 not upgraded.
#
I cannot understand the last four lines of this output. Why have four packages been held back?
I quote from the document "Vanilla Dpup vs Puppy Tradition" linked below.
https://forum.puppylinux.com/viewtopic. ... 158#p48158
Traditionally, Puppy releases are one-off releases; Vanilla Dpup has weekly releases with stability and security fixes from woof-CE and Debian; you decide if and when to update
Have I done something wrong in the way I've tried to update?
Regards,
Ken.
apt functionality built into the latest puppies (via woof-ce) had to be adapted to puppy.
apt update && apt upgrade will only update programs installed by the user using apt. So not the whole system (hence the packages have been held back).
The system update is done by replacing the installation files after the new .iso is released.
You didn't do anything wrong by running the update. This is expected behavior.
Thank you Feek
For additional information, @keniv could also review the following discussions about APT usage in Puppy Linux:
https://forum.puppylinux.com/viewtopic. ... 691#p97691
https://forum.puppylinux.com/viewtopic. ... 741#p97741
https://forum.puppylinux.com/viewtopic. ... 950#p97950
can one download the files without it being installed immediately like the standard/old Puppy Package Manager?
I didn't get an answer for this question of mine (been ignored). So I gather you can't, it must be installed in one go with the apt package manager? If not, I think the apt package manager should have an option just to download the package first without installing it. It seems the whole apt thing is based on a package list which needs to be updated regularly. If you don't work from a package list, it's useless. I mean it seems that you can't just visit a repository site, search for an application and download it...
@amethyst - like you, I assume that is standard apt operation. I believe it is so that updates don't break the system, which even the use of .pets can do by intoducing incompatible library versions. As this is the likely future direction, older pups will still have some popularity.