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It would be nice to have a "Change default" button on the window.

Wouldn't that amount to an extra click anyway? Doesn't really make sense to me.

Wouldn't that amount to an extra click anyway? Doesn't really make sense to me.

I am thinking it would make it possible to change the configuration and choose which default is presented and is a totally optional feature. Only needs to be clicked to change the default choice going forward.

This configuration and be in some other system configuration menu to prevent clutter.

rockedge wrote: Tue Apr 09, 2024 3:43 pm

Wouldn't that amount to an extra click anyway? Doesn't really make sense to me.

I am thinking it would make it possible to change the configuration and choose which default is presented and is a totally optional feature. Only needs to be clicked to change the default choice going forward.

This configuration and be in some other system configuration menu to prevent clutter.

The point is that once the user realizes how the current configuration works (which in most cases will be after the first time they have read the text message) there is no reason for change in my view. Since the timeout is short for the default, I can't see much of an inconvenience anyway. But really what are we actually talking about here - too much effort to press the enter or tab and enter for immediate response? Getting ridiculous. BTW - Consider including peasydisk in the next release. This can replace pburn and isomaster or just be an addition (it's just a small utility using already builtin components).

I look forward to trying out F96-CE v5 with the 6.8.4 kernel and I'm hoping it will work better than the huge-6.8.1-ubun64oz-ao-LOLAT kernel I tried last couple weeks. Never did straighten out problems with that one. Meanwhile the huge-6.1.8-fossapup64 kernel from here https://archive.org/download/puppy_linux_-fossapup64 has had fewer issues than any other one tried on the new laptop (specs in sig).

Nevertheless speaker sound still does not work, and wifi required some additional firmware and modules, but it was able to be improved with those. I really look forward to known improvements in a 6.8 series kernel for OpenGL and Mesa support of later intel graphics. This may get rid of problems in rendering in Wine that I've experienced, when doing a left click and drag maneuver (select area). Also I hope for less glitchy synaptics touchpad support in later kernels.

6.8.1 lowlat had unresolved problems which I finally gave up on. But maybe the 6.8.4 will be better. I wonder if the size difference accounted for the difference in performence? 6.1.8 was 147 MB, packed, while 6.8.1 was only 45 MB, packed. Not very huge by comparison.

Anyway, looking forward on the new machine to newer kernels and firmware support.

@rockedge
Any idea how long it's likely to be until F96-CE v5 is issued?
I'm wondering whether to hold off customizing FossaPup for my needs, or if it's likely to be a long time, to go ahead now.
I don't fancy having to do it twice.

Any idea how long it's likely to be until F96-CE v5 is issued?

Not 100% sure how long.....but at least not until summer for the first tests......

I'd say do your customization now.

@rockedge
OK.

@vtpup Mesa drivers are not part of the kernel, you're not getting newer ones when you update just the kernel. Ubuntu 20.04 and distros derived from its packages like Fossapup are stuck with old Mesa drivers that don't support recent hardware (unless you use https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack, unsupported in Puppy). You need a new Puppy with recent packages to get recent Mesa drivers.

dimkr wrote: Wed Apr 10, 2024 8:15 pm

@vtpup Mesa drivers are not part of the kernel, you're not getting newer ones when you update just the kernel. Ubuntu 20.04 and distros derived from its packages like Fossapup are stuck with old Mesa drivers that don't support recent hardware (unless you use https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack, unsupported in Puppy). You need a new Puppy with recent packages to get recent Mesa drivers.

Second to that. I'm in the midst of a 'divorce' from fossapup64-9.5.
I've been 'flirting' with BookwormPup64 in the past few days.
I guess tech ain't like wine, which ages gracefully over time.

dimkr wrote: Wed Apr 10, 2024 8:15 pm

@vtpup Mesa drivers are not part of the kernel, you're not getting newer ones when you update just the kernel.

@dmkr I didn't say Mesa drivers were part of the kernel. I said

vtpup wrote: Wed Apr 10, 2024 12:57 am

I really look forward to known improvements in a 6.8 series kernel for OpenGL and Mesa support of later intel graphics.

re. https://www.phoronix.com/news/Intel-Xe- ... .1-Default

vtpup wrote: Thu Apr 11, 2024 2:11 am

re. https://www.phoronix.com/news/Intel-Xe- ... .1-Default

Without updated Mesa, there's not much to gain from updated kernel drivers. OpenGL is implemented in the Mesa driver, updating to kernel 6.8 only allows you to see these improvements *if* Mesa is new enough.

sonny wrote: Wed Apr 10, 2024 9:23 pm

Second to that. I'm in the midst of a 'divorce' from fossapup64-9.5.
I've been 'flirting' with BookwormPup64 in the past few days.
I guess tech ain't like wine, which ages gracefully over time.

Interested to know why you are divorcing from Fossa9.5 ? Is it because you have recent hardware or for some other reasons?
(I am only just transitioning from 32bit to 64bit so am watching what works or does not work for others...)

greengeek wrote: Thu Apr 11, 2024 9:10 am

sonny wrote: Wed Apr 10, 2024 9:23 pm

Second to that. I'm in the midst of a 'divorce' from fossapup64-9.5.
I've been 'flirting' with BookwormPup64 in the past few days.
I guess tech ain't like wine, which ages gracefully over time.

Interested to know why you are divorcing from Fossa9.5 ? Is it because you have recent hardware or for some other reasons?
(I am only just transitioning from 32bit to 64bit so am watching what works or does not work for others...)

1. FP64-9.5 has a tendency to break when updating packages (kinda delicate/fragile)
('usr/lib or usr/lib64 or usr/lib/x86_64linux-gnu' drive me crazy at times)

2. I wish to remaster a 'more' versatile and 'more' future-proof/sustainable version of
Puppy for the broader/mainstream users

Note: In this day and age, size and speed are no longer relevant.
1GB, 2GB, or even 3GB of Puppy should run just fine on today's CPU,
RAM, SSD, USB, etc. Tech is evolving, so is Puppy

I have one irritating issue with the volume control app on the new laptop in sig, below. It is automatically changing its mute settings based on whether I plug in wired headphones or use bluetooth headphones. If I use bluetooth headphones, all is well, but if later change to wired headphones the headphone volume is automatically muted. Then the volume control app must opened to unmute two of the control sliders.

Unmuting these never seems to stick between reboots. Seems like you should be able to set headphone volume once and forget it. And use any headphone type you choose after that. I don't think the volume control app should be auto-muting things.

I've noticed a few times that when I load an older SFS it doesn't actually appear -- for instance an older 5 series LibreOffice which once loaded should appear in /opt doesn't appear there afterwards. However it is listed in Boot Manager as loading at boot time (though it doesn't) and if I click on the .sfs again it says it is loaded and asks if I want to unload it.

i'm using bionic 8.0, and cannot download iso file, keeps reporting failed. friday 19/7/24, 21:51 gmt +8

boof wrote: Fri Jul 19, 2024 12:52 pm

i'm using bionic 8.0, and cannot download iso file, keeps reporting failed. friday 19/7/24, 21:51 gmt +8

Might have to do with the massive CrowdStrike update glitch that is effecting the world at the moment. I just tried it and the download worked.

https://rockedge.org/kernels/data/ISO/F96-CE/

When I remaster using "puppy remaster" from the menu, I loose sound capability (pulseaudio isn't running and there is no volume control).
If I try to start pulseaudio in a terminal, it complains it cant be run as root and if I run it as spot it also fails.

Only way I can keep pulseaudio and retain the volume control in the remastered build, is to use the old remaster script "remasterpup2" found in /usr/sbin.

The newer way is more user friendly so I would like to know what I need to do to get pulseaudio started.

vtpup wrote: Fri Apr 26, 2024 6:04 pm

I have one irritating issue with the volume control app on the new laptop in sig, below. It is automatically changing its mute settings based on whether I plug in wired headphones or use bluetooth headphones. If I use bluetooth headphones, all is well, but if later change to wired headphones the headphone volume is automatically muted. Then the volume control app must opened to unmute two of the control sliders.

Unmuting these never seems to stick between reboots. Seems like you should be able to set headphone volume once and forget it. And use any headphone type you choose after that. I don't think the volume control app should be auto-muting things.

I had a similar problem, but managed to solve it with a small script
https://www.forum.puppylinux.com/viewtopic.php?t=10899

LXDE addon:
https://sourceforge.net/projects/lxpup/ ... s/download

looking forward to new version of this distro - is it due anytime soon?

Hello @Gnimmelf

Recognizing that F96 is stable, Curious: Would BookwormPup64 be what you wanted as it is an updated version from Fossa?

F96 is faster and more responsive - i was hoping for an update of it

Gnimmelf wrote: Tue Oct 01, 2024 7:17 am

F96 is faster and more responsive - i was hoping for an update of it

I did start an update project but it stalled somewhat. If you would like to try out what exists the link for the ISO is below:

Download -> F96-CE_5-alpha4

Features apt package manager and Synaptic.

In a terminal try to update the system with:

apt update
apt upgrade

@rockedge, I have tested your prior alphas (3&4) in the past. Will test and report alpha5 soon.

@Gnimmelf and anyone else: I have used sub-tools in "Hardinfo" (in the menu>System>Hardinfo of every forum distro) to compare performance of distros in the past.

I know "performance" means different things to different people, thus this post is NOT to challenge anyone. But it does raise a question: Should "we" set a benchmark for what is a performance measurement? This may be a rhetorical question as even if a table is produced, would if be significant to development? For example: A table showing performances of versions within a family might be significant within a family, but have little to no significance with one family vs another family due to design differences.

Just curious if this would help or desired.

Edit: @rockedge I see I've already tested the alpha4 version. Sorry for the 1st sentence as there is no alpha5. I mis-read the naming. AND, do NOT mistake this 'edit' as a request for an alpha5 or any other. It merely acknowledges my mistakening, only.

I did start an update project but it stalled somewhat. If you would like to try out what exists the link for the ISO is below:

Download -> F96-CE_5-alpha4

Features apt package manager and Synaptic.

In a terminal try to update the system with:

Code: Select all

apt update
apt upgrade

would have loved to try it - but i end up with blank screen with blinking curser..... even with "nomodeset" in the grub - i also need to use this in F96-CE_4 runing now on my lenovo ideapad gaming 3 laptop.
sadly i dont have the skills to fix this

I dont know why the F96-ce is faster than bookwormpup - but i have F96-ce running desktop with just about 330 mb ram used and google chrome portable benches faster than on bookworm......
so the system is more responsive with F96-ce - dont know why

kindly Gnimmelf

@Gnimmelf Just a comment and a question

Comment: As the distro name suggests; "...-alpha4..".
Question: You indicate you 'benchmark'. What are you using to benchmark?

I am not seeing (aka experiencing) what you share.

Please understand that this intends to try to help, if possible.

@Gnimmelf does this forum subarea help in your quest to remain on Fossa?

Clarity wrote: Wed Oct 02, 2024 8:01 pm

@Gnimmelf Just a comment and a question

Comment: As the distro name suggests; "...-alpha4..".
Question: You indicate you 'benchmark'. What are you using to benchmark?

I am not seeing (aka experiencing) what you share.

Please understand that this intends to try to help, if possible.

Kraken - JavaScript Benchmark and
https://chromium.github.io/octane/

is what im using to test browsers

if i use hardinfo - Bookworm seems to be faster than F96-ce but not if i test the same browser on the 2 distroes...

kindly gnimmelf

Clarity wrote: Thu Oct 03, 2024 5:23 am

@Gnimmelf does this forum subarea help in your quest to remain on Fossa?

i tried some of them - but they tend to fail - maybe because of the graphic card in my lenovo ideapad gaming 3.

even on F96-ce i need to ad "nomodeset" in the grub.cfg file.

kindly Gnimmelf