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QuickPup64 21.08 BETA 2 released

Changes:
* Huge improvements on package management
* Added flatpak with easy installation setup
* Improved handling of AppImage files
* Improved handling of snap packages (requires snap)
* Added avahi runtime library
* Improved package updater
* Updated BlueZ and PulseAudio
* 64-bit initrd (98% 64-bit binaries)
* Fixed samba sharing integration on thunar

Download: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1cUDR8U ... sp=sharing
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QuickPup64 21.08 BETA 3 released

Changes:
* Bugfixes on package management for safer upgrade/downgrade installed packages

Download: https://drive.google.com/file/d/17h1QxF ... sp=sharing
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QuickPup64 21.08 BETA 4 released

Changes:
* Bugfix for package updater

Download: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1OlfCav ... sp=sharing
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QuickPup 21.08 BETA 5 released

Changes:
* Linux kernel 5.14
* Bugfix for pkg and package updater
* Bugfix for flatpak
* Bugfix for Redmond-Delta-10 theme
* initrd has now with enhanced dumping for easy debugging failed puppy boot

Download: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1zyMoxX ... sp=sharing
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Puppy Package Manager cannot install apps. Flatpak install smoothly. Others work like charm.

azizdin wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 9:51 am

Puppy Package Manager cannot install apps. Flatpak install smoothly. Others work like charm.

Did you update the slackware repo database?

Yes already update before try to install other apps. Tq

azizdin wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 6:16 am

Yes already update before try to install other apps. Tq

What package did you try to install via PPM?

@mikeslr since we don't really know each other, I'm in Upups working on browsers, yet support not only using alt-desktops, but trying to get them normalized as flavors to boost Puppy penetration, especially LXQt and XFCE.

The future market for JWM without persistent refinement both aesthetic and user-experience-wise is technical users on low-end Chromebooks, if it's lucky.

And if you try to push any more assignments on me, either publicly or privately, I'll unload.

Fuck off.

mistfire wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 7:50 am

azizdin wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 6:16 am

Yes already update before try to install other apps. Tq

What package did you try to install via PPM?

Several package. None of them success

@ JASpup.

Suggest you cut down on your caffeine or other stimulent intake.

As of this writing the Forum has, “Total posts 35008 • Total topics 3573 • Total members 1681".
I have long ago despaired of trying to keep up with all developments and all the specific interests of each Forum member. Apparently like you, I primarily focus on Puppys which are binary-compatible with Ubuntu or debian. I do know, however, that Slackware-binary-compatible Puppys have a strong following, several talented Devs; and from reputation and personal experience that on some hardware “Slackware-based” Puppys provide superior graphics and sound.
Despite the narrowing of my focus I do try to help those with other interests. In doing that I operate under a couple of assumptions. (1) Almost certainly true, like myself, other Puppy fans may not be aware of all relevant information; and possibly true, that I may be aware of some information of which another is not. (2) There’s efficiency and a certain elegance achieved by introducing people with overlapping interests but differing experience and concerns to each other and their work.
It was in that spirit that I sent you a private email. As you’ve publicly criticized me for doing so I’ll make it public. This is the text of my email:

“Recipient: JASpup
IIRC, you're a fan of xfce. If so, you might want to take QuickPup64 21.08 BETA 5 out for a spin. viewtopic.php?p=27469#p27469
Although still in Beta, mistfire has done a really nice job of creating a Puppy with a great many builtin modern features that are identified in the OP. I took a look at it because of those.
The thing is I really do prefer JWM-Rox and don't want to spend the time re-learning how Xfce manages things.
Your experience could help smooth out any of Quickpup's remaining rough-spots.”

It took me far longer to write that it would take your to read. It was sent privately rather than posted leaving you alone to choose what to do with that information. If you weren’t interested than it would take you no further time to just ignore it; almost no time to delete it; and just a little more time to privately reply “Don’t currently have the time/interest”. Instead, you came up with a 4th choice: spend a great deal more of your precious time to create a public issue which otherwise would not have existed.

I did not know when I emailed you that your focus had narrowed to transporting Puppy to Chromebooks. I might still have sent the email as (a) Slackware can be employed in such projects, https://github.com/jakeday/chromebook-pixel-slackware and (b) the choice of what you would do with that information was yours.

You’re right: “We don’t really know each other”. But I now know a great deal more about you. We all do. Rest assured that I will ‘fuck off' and won’t waste any more of my time addressing your interests publicly or privately. But do cut down on your intake of stimulants.

azizdin wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 7:15 am

mistfire wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 7:50 am

azizdin wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 6:16 am

Yes already update before try to install other apps. Tq

What package did you try to install via PPM?

Several package. None of them success

Can you please recreate the error if possible. I tried to install some packages via PPM and it works fine

mistfire wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:17 pm

azizdin wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 7:15 am

mistfire wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 7:50 am

What package did you try to install via PPM?

Several package. None of them success

Can you please recreate the error if possible. I tried to install some packages via PPM and it works fine

Please refer attachment for the error. Thank you.

Hello. This distro is free of systemD right ? As i see it we can download packages from fedora or debian but how's that possible ? I am interested in this particular version so tha'ts why i am asking.

rhtoras wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:21 pm

Hello. This distro is free of systemD right ?

Yes it's free of systemd. It uses busybox init by default.

rhtoras wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:21 pm

As i see it we can download packages from fedora or debian but how's that possible ?

Goto https://pkgs.org and download fedora or debian package. Install it by double clicking it. You need to resolve the package dependencies by yourself. pkgs.org provides clues for package dependencies

mistfire wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 1:11 pm

rhtoras wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:21 pm

Hello. This distro is free of systemD right ?

Yes it's free of systemd. It uses busybox init by default.

rhtoras wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:21 pm

As i see it we can download packages from fedora or debian but how's that possible ?

Goto https://pkgs.org and download fedora or debian package. Install it by double clicking it. You need to resolve the package dependencies by yourself. pkgs.org provides clues for package dependencies

1. I should see what are the dependencies and install them or is there any guide with resolving the dependencies?
2. What about updates. Isn't there any possible break if i mix different packages coming from different distros when updating this iso ?

rhtoras wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:42 pm

1. I should see what are the dependencies and install them or is there any guide with resolving the dependencies?

pkgs.org provides package information regarding dependencies to download. If you want all automatic dependencies just use PPM. Don't forget to update the package database first

rhtoras wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:42 pm

2. What about updates. Isn't there any possible break if i mix different packages coming from different distros when updating this iso ?

If the package was also available in slackware. Just go to Menu > Check Package updates. The extra dependencies will be automatically download and install

Beta 5: I really like this pup. It's relatively small but there's much wealth of puppy utilities no longer found in other recent puppies. Thunar context menu is also well thought of for ease of use. There's plenty of useful utility.

Some gripes...
-I have some difficulty getting my QT app to work here. It works under debian/ubuntu based pups. I know this is slackware based, so that must be it. I gotta fill all those missing dependencies.
-I use Slimjet browser running as spot. Audio doesn't work.
-Despite being small, it boots and shuts-down longer compared to other pups.
-i just hope those known bugs get squashed soon, particularly the tray icon problem.

Overall, great job here mistfire.

-ronriel

QuickPup64 21.08 BETA 6 released

Changes:
* Linux kernel 5.14.4 fixed i2c input devices issue (thanks @peebee)
* Improved initrd. Initrd can use ntfs3 driver for mounting ntfs partition if it was builtin on the kernel
* Improved NTFS mounting. It will use ntfs3 driver first if present otherwise it will fallback to ntfs-3g
* find_iso boot parameter is now supported. It means QuickPup64 can direction from ISO via bootloader
* Improved sanderdog. Its app entries are no longer messing around with the host system.
* More compiler friendly. The complete pkgconfig, aclocal, and vala entries has been restored.
* Improved package files audit.
* Fixed package management.
* Added pulseaudio support for run-as-spot script. Browser running from spot can now play sound without pulseaudio bypass.
* Updated packages.

Download: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1HAFr7M ... sp=sharing
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@ronriel thanks for the compliment. Here are my answers

ronriel wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 2:37 pm

-I have some difficulty getting my QT app to work here. It works under debian/ubuntu based pups. I know this is slackware based, so that must be it. I gotta fill all those missing dependencies.

Just look for Qt SFS modules instead of installing Qt manually

ronriel wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 2:37 pm

-I use Slimjet browser running as spot. Audio doesn't work.

this is fixed on BETA 6 of QuickPup

ronriel wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 2:37 pm

-Despite being small, it boots and shuts-down longer compared to other pups.

It might be some improvements in the future

ronriel wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 2:37 pm

-i just hope those known bugs get squashed soon, particularly the tray icon problem.

That's the responsibility of XFCE devs not mine. I just also waiting their xfce releases

Booting directly from the QP64 v21.08b6 ISO file
By merely adding the ISO file to the SG2D USB, it is found and boots to desktop without issues (it took 3 minutes to download the ISO file to USB and start a boot from the USB on a PC). AND, Save session works and on reboot, it is found and used.

SAMBA

1. SAMBA is missing. Cannot run SAMBA utils; namely smbclient, findsmb, etc. And attempts at install do NOT install compatible as is found in current WoofCE PUPs.

2. Should you make another, somewhere in your future, could you include the SAMBA PET to the build that installs Puppy LInux's SAMBA Simple Management utility (SSM) to the Menu, please.

Samba is required for my use needs. And If SSM is present, the setup is exactly as all the current WoofCEs that are used.

Thanks, I am continuing to test other subsystems of this QP64-v21.08b6 system on couple of my Intel x86-64s.now

Edit: Shutdown
Selected 'SAve' at session end and it progresses as expected. But, on First Shutdown sanity check screen, I was not allowed to change the folder (change folder button missing).

Clarity wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 11:37 pm

Booting directly from the QP64 v21.08b6 ISO file
By merely adding the ISO file to the SG2D USB, it is found and boots to desktop without issues (it took 3 minutes to download the ISO file to USB and start a boot from the USB on a PC). AND, Save session works and on reboot, it is found and used.

SAMBA

1. SAMBA is missing. Cannot run SAMBA utils; namely smbclient, findsmb, etc. And attempts at install do NOT install compatible as is found in current WoofCE PUPs.

2. Should you make another, somewhere in your future, could you include the SAMBA PET to the build that installs Puppy LInux's SAMBA Simple Management utility (SSM) to the Menu, please.

Samba is required for my use needs. And If SSM is present, the setup is exactly as all the current WoofCEs that are used.

Thanks, I am continuing to test other subsystems of this QP64-v21.08b6 system on couple of my Intel x86-64s.

@Clarity

That's weird, samba utils was already builtin on QuickPup, all samba works fine. Also Simple Management utility (SSM) was already included on QuickPup64. I tested it on pristine state

Hi rhtoras,

You've asked about how to resolve dependencies on applications you obtain via links from https://pkgs.org/. But even before you begin that process you should consider the factors discussed on this post, viewtopic.php?p=2952#p2952
That post provides links to the PaDS application and how I use it to build applications. While the latter involved building an application using Ubuntu binary packages and dependencies, PaDS will also work with Slackware binary packages and dependencies. To some extent it also discusses making use of pkgs.org.
There's another application I find useful; and more germane to your question especially when your source for packages is pkgs.org: ListDD (List Dynamic Dependencies. It may already be builtin to Quickpup64. Look on the Utilities Menu. If not, you can obtain it here, http://www.smokey01.com/radky.
When you type the name of an application into pkgs.org's Search box, select a distro-version, then follow the links to the application's binary's link, that web-page will provide a list of the binary's dependencies. For example, searching "xfe", selecting Fedora x86-64, got me here, https://fedora.pkgs.org/rawhide/fedora- ... 4.rpm.html. Scrolling down, before you reach the Download links to binaries Section, you'll find the "Requires" list.
The most important information, if it appears on that list, is a designation of the minimum GLIBC required. For the above among the "Requires" is "libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.34)(64bit)". There's a good chance that Puppy has builtin most of the required libraries. Others can be downloaded and if necessary a symbolic link created; e.g. FILE.so.14 required, but you could only find File.so.15. You create a symbolic link named File.so.14 which points to File.so.15. But, currently, a Puppy can only have one GLIBC frame-work and if yours is below the minimum required you're not going to be able to construct a functioning application with that binary. Perhaps look for an older version.
Beyond noting any GLIBC limitations, and python dependencies, you can initially ignore dependencies. Just download the binary and, rather than install it, extract it such as via UExtract. viewtopic.php?f=106&t=594&hilit=UExtract. Then file-browse to it, Right-Click it and select ListDD from the pop-up menu. One of the bottom tabs of the ListDD GUI is named “Missing”. It will generate a report of any dependency not already on your system. Unfortunately, ListDD does not provide information regarding python modules.
If no dependencies are missing, you can just install the package. But if some are I distinguish between Qt/Qt5 and others. Many applications make use of Qt/Qt5. Those I'll either install right away, or store somewhere to later be included in a pet of all additional 'frame-work' libraries I'll want on my system. If PPM doesn't provide them, pkgs.org almost always will.
After hunting down and downloading all the then known missing dependencies, I'll place them along with the application's binary in a uniquely named folder. As in the Example post I referenced above --where Ubuntu repos were the source of packages-- I can Right-Click that folder and select PaDS's 'Combine to SFS' facility. This will create an SFS you can SFS-Load to examine further. But it creates that SFS in /root. Move it before testing because (a) while in /root it occupies RAM and (b) if you SFS-Unload it from there it will be deleted.
Unfortunately, testing by first creating an SFS doesn't work with python applications. In Puppy's 'merge-file-system' application SFSes have lower priority than files either builtin or installed. Puppy will default to using higher priority python modules rather than those included in an application SFS. The only way to test is to build a pet, install it and run it via a terminal, examining the terminal output for problems.
You can still use PaDS to combine many packages as an intermediate step in creating a pet. Create an SFS, then Left-Click it. Select view. Then copy all the files in the window which opens into another uniquely named folder. Right-Click that folder and Select 'Create a pet' or open a terminal and type dir2pet NAME-OF-FOLDER.

I do strongly suggest that before installing anything you back up your SaveFile/Folder. SFSes are not installed so can be tested without endangering your current system.

There is another application which you should be aware of. Pkg-Cli. https://oldforum.puppylinux.com/viewtop ... 41#p985531. I'll let someone who actually knows how to use it provide instructions. It may be a better option especially when python is involved.

Gimp v2.10.26 in quickpup64_21.08-beta-5 looks ok. I try to save a gimp file in one of hdd partitions (none of partitions were mounted).
and run pmount with error

mistfire wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 5:50 pm

Just look for Qt SFS modules instead of installing Qt manually

Finally got my qt5 apps working. I found the resources here in case someone else needs them: https://sourceforge.net/projects/lxpup/ ... Qt5/Older/

Alright... downloading Beta6.

@mistfire APOLOGY!

SAMBA

1. I was WRONG on SSM and smbclient. I jumped to a wrong conclusion when I found that 'findsmb' command did not work.

2. On findsmb, the command appears to be there, but, the system is missing 'perl'. (I am sure you have discovered that when you ran the command, too).

That command is a staple I use to do 2 things with every PUP I download and boot pristine. If it runs, that single command tells me I have an ethernet working and SAMBA is installed and my network resources are seen.

Ethernet is not started at Pristine boot
Use the ICW on the desktop:

No joy. Each time, instead of starting the ICW's selected option, It merely ONLY restarts ICW. After reboot, same problem: Does not spring Barry's or Dougal's for network setup. Its looping to ICW each time instead of taking me to setup utility selected.

• What would you recommend to start ethernet to acquire an IP on the local LAN?

esos wrote: ↑Sat Sep 18, 2021 12:41 am

Gimp v2.10.26 in quickpup64_21.08-beta-5 looks ok. I try to save a gimp file in one of hdd partitions (none of partitions were mounted).
and run pmount with error

It means that the hard drive was already mounted and currently in use. Just go to the mountpoint where the hard disk is mounted

Clarity wrote: ↑Sat Sep 18, 2021 1:36 am

@mistfire APOLOGY!

SAMBA

1. I was WRONG on SSM and smbclient. I jumped to a wrong conclusion when I found that 'findsmb' command did not work.

2. On findsmb, the command appears to be there, but, the system is missing 'perl'. (I am sure you have discovered that when you ran the command, too).

That command is a staple I use to do 2 things with every PUP I download and boot pristine. If it runs, that single command tells me I have an ethernet working and SAMBA is installed and my network resources are seen.

Ethernet is not started at Pristine boot
Use the ICW on the desktop:ICW1.png ICW2.png
No joy. Each time, instead of starting the ICW's selected option, It merely ONLY restarts ICW. After reboot, same problem: Does not spring Barry's or Dougal's for network setup. Its looping to ICW each time instead of taking me to setup utility selected.

• What would you recommend to start ethernet to acquire an IP on the local LAN?

Does your LAN cable works fine? NetworkManager automatically setup the wired connection if a DHCP server was detected on the network

Does your LAN cable works fine? Yes. All the other ISO files on the stick boot as well as acquire IP credentials from the DHCP host.

On next boot of QP64 21.08b6, I will gather any that DMESG flags for review

QuickPup64 21.08 BETA 7 released

Changes:
* Builtin files was fully audited for safer package upgrade/downgrade
* Bugfixes for PPM and pkg
* Added apfs-fuse to mount storage devices or disk image formatted in APFS (Apple Filesystem, read-only)
* Updated simple-mtpfs and wimlib
* Fixed broken perl

Download: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1FvLkQX ... sp=sharing
MD5 Checksum: 5791cd5f1b7164ed5b8a04a9b02ae6ef