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Re: Trying to get Puppy Linux on Inspiron 6000 laptop

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@progrockfrog

Start a new topic and only talk about one specific issue.
When that issue is fixed.

Start a new topic about something else.

One bad thing you are doing is trying stuff, before you get answers from this forum, on what to do.

you get it messed up and then ask us to figure out what you did wrong.

If you have a USB stick install of any Puppy version and it will boot the computer.
That is first thing to do.
If that is still a problem make a new topic specifically about installing to a USB and getting it to boot.

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Re: Trying to get Puppy Linux on Inspiron 6000 laptop

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@progrockfrog

Trying things that worked on other distros, will lead to much frustration and no success. Shooting in the dark will be the same. Better to go with tested procedures known to work and that members can help troubleshoot if issues are encountered.

Your first install doesn't have to be the exact one you would like. Once you can do a successful install, it's easy to add or replace and evaluate other versions. One of the beauties of Puppy Linux.

Letting us know these about your computer gives us a place to begin (otherwise we are shooting in the dark):
Make=
Model=
CPU=
Ram=

In your case, they are:
Make= Dell
Model= Inspiron 6000
CPU= Pentium M (from web search)
Ram= ? (this is critical)

Here are things proven to work.

The Inspiron 6000 has a Pentium M cpu (a special case). It is 32bit, so you can only run 32bit Pups. The bios and internal drive will use MBR. Suggest you start with Bionic32.

Read this for making boot USB: viewtopic.php?t=5192

Read this to install on the internal drive - viewtopic.php?t=5241

Read this for editing grub menu for Pentium M: viewtopic.php?t=12935

Answers to many of the questions you have ask in this and other topics can be found here:
viewforum.php?f=184

You can greatly increase your knowledge and understanding of Puppy Linux by reading there.

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Re: Trying to get Puppy Linux on Inspiron 6000 laptop

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@progrockfrog

If you wish to reconsider you excellent suggestion about wiping the drive and starting fresh, I think you might be able to obtain help with thoughtful advise at
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Re: Trying to get Puppy Linux on Inspiron 6000 laptop

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Try using **Balena Etcher** or **Rufus (via WINE)** instead of USB Image Writer. If Ventoy isn't working, ensure Secure Boot is disabled in BIOS and try formatting the USB as **exFAT or FAT32**, then re-copy the ISO. Also, verify the ISO integrity with `sha256sum`. If issues persist, try a different USB drive.

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Re: Trying to get Puppy Linux on Inspiron 6000 laptop

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@robertstein

Try using **Balena Etcher**

NO! Etcher will fail

Read this for making boot USB: viewtopic.php?t=5192

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Re: Trying to get Puppy Linux on Inspiron 6000 laptop

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I am pretty much done with this Dell Inspiron 6000. There were a lot of sites and videos claiming you could just switch from Legacy to UEFI in the BIOS. This computer has no such option. The BIOS has A09. There was some talk of downgrading to A08, but I couldn't get that to work to test that idea. I also tried various .iso Linux distros at different possible settings (FAT32, exFAT, NTFS, EXT4). NTFS never worked and multiple USB sticks were tried. I thought maybe reinstalling XP might work. For some reason, that is the only thing that worked. I got XP up and running again, tried making USB .iso files that way but could not get Rufus, Ventoy, or Pendrive to work. I did give Balena Etcher a try (but not extensively), and it also failed a couple or few times. I then went for the lesser desired solution, and I downloaded a few partition cloning programs and EaseUS Partition Master came out the winner. It copied the whole Ubuntu partition at sda5. I have whittled the 14.41 GB down to 2.2 GB of files I wanted to retrieve with a Linux distro.

Considering the age of the laptop and no way to be 100% sure what is wrong, I am going to consider this a success and use other computers that already have Linux on it. One thing I read was that you need two partitions for UEFI, and I only seem to have one partition after a reinstall of XP. I don't see an easy way to tell the computer to create a UEFI partition when installing or after installing XP. I do see online resources for 7/8/8.1/10. GPT is also mentioned, and I saw no reference to that in the BIOS or in XP. So, I am ready to call this a success and move on to the next thing.

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Re: Trying to get Puppy Linux on Inspiron 6000 laptop

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Well if you managed to get WinXP on it, I could get you going with a couple of Puppies. I have an old Acer Aspire One AOA 150
that multiboots WinXP SP3, and various frugal installed Puppies, primarily Slackware based. The easiest method is using a Windows
program containing an old Slacko 32bit, Slacko 6.3.0, when you click on it it creates a menu.lst, backs up boot.ini, and installs
Slacko into default C:\slacko6.3, it also puts the grub4dos bootloader in C:. From there it's a simple matter of using whatever
Puppy iso you want, in my case using a couple/three S15Pup32s and some older ones...I use either 7zip in XP or pExtract in Puppy
to extract the content of a Puppy iso into a new folder. Then using a text editor such as Notepad in XP, or Leafpad in Puppy, I add
the newly frugally "installed" Puppy to the menu.lst to tell grub4dos where it is. If interested, let me know.

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Re: Trying to get Puppy Linux on Inspiron 6000 laptop

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This forum and the topics in it, is going to be the best place to get information on Puppy Linux.

Reading stuff, offered in other locations on the Internet, is just going to give you issues, and not getting Puppy to work correctly.

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If this computer has the old legacy bios, there is no issue getting it to boot a Puppy version.

All Puppy versions are released with a boot loader in the Puppy version ISO, that can boot a UEFI bios or a legacy bios computer.

There is nothing wrong with using a computer with legacy bios in it.

What you want to end up with, is a live install on the USB stick, that will have all the files on it, that are in the Puppy version ISO.

The big problem most people have, is using an installer program, that can do this correctly.

I suggest using Unetbootin
https://unetbootin.github.io/

The next issue, is getting the best version of Puppy, for the limits the computer may have, on amount of RAM in it.

To really be able to understand and help.

You do what?

You see what?

If asked a question we need the answer.

You are our eyes. We only know what you tell us!

The things you do not tell us, are usually the clue to fixing the problem.
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Re: Trying to get Puppy Linux on Inspiron 6000 laptop

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You do not have a computer with a UEFI bios.

So stop reading and trying to do stuff for that type bios booting.

For legacy bios computer booting.

A USB stick needs a msdos partition table with an MBR section.

One single partition.

Best if the partition is formatted fat 32 and flagged boot.

A live install of Puppy version on it. (all the files in the Puppy version ISO)

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Re: Trying to get Puppy Linux on Inspiron 6000 laptop

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Wiz57 wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2025 9:56 am

If interested, let me know.

What I could do is recreate the same scenario in an Acer Aspire One D257. It had no problem installing another Linux OS. Not sure if a LinuxPuppy install worked. It is also possible I didn't do the boot partition correct.

"The easiest method is using a Windows program containing an old Slacko 32bit, Slacko 6.3.0"

I am going to shout out this page because beginners need to see this to decide which one they want. This is more of a side note if you want to give new users a gallery to look at.

https://distrowatch.com/gallery.php?distribution=puppy

So, I went and downloaded VoidPup which I tried before. I am still using the Dell Inspiron 6000 for the moment.

VoidPup32-22.02.iso inc. devx & kernel_sources

Using only Image Writer from Linux Mint loads the computer to a "grub prompt" page (see picture below). I referenced this back on page one in the post with two grub rescue videos.

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So, continue down this path or do something different like you said. Would trying a slackware version make the difference?

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Re: Trying to get Puppy Linux on Inspiron 6000 laptop

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bigpup wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2025 1:43 pm

You do not have a computer with a UEFI bios.

So stop reading and trying to do stuff for that type bios booting.

For legacy bios computer booting.

A USB stick needs a msdos partition table with an MBR section.

One single partition.

Best if the partition is formatted fat 32 and flagged boot.

A live install of Puppy version on it. (all the files in the Puppy version ISO)

The only thing hazy with that is, "A USB stick needs a msdos partition table with an MBR section."

Did I accomplish that by using the image writer in Linux Mint? If not, what would one use/do to do this?

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Re: Trying to get Puppy Linux on Inspiron 6000 laptop

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bigpup wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2025 1:33 pm

I suggest using Unetbootin
https://unetbootin.github.io/

I have also tried Unetbootin. Most likely, I ran into the same wall, "no bootable devices---strike f1 to retry--f2 for setup". So, I am going pause until I get word on this grub prompt. 1) Type something there? 2) Get a different .iso? 3) Make a bootable USB a different way? 4) Now try Unetbootin again?

One thing computer courses do with students is they select the OS, they select how to install, then select how you use it. This brings consistency. If you tell the new user, "Oh, you can use anything to do anything." while that may be true, the experienced experts in any field have a blindspot as to how the novice can't pivot and turn to solve problems as facile as the experts (hence in my case, I have to try different things). Having one specific distro, one specific way to install, etc... ensures that the novice is going down a workable path. They can also change things later as they become more experienced.

If you don't want me going elsewhere to find the solution, give a consistent procedure to get the thing done. That means, "download here (link)", use this program, etc...

Beginning to end it has to be spelled out. When Expert 1 says "get slackware", Expert 2 says "get Unetbootin", Expert 3 says "No, do this....", it no longer becomes a helping process but rather too many cooks in the kitchen.

Each of you should be spelling out one recipe from beginning to end.

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Re: Trying to get Puppy Linux on Inspiron 6000 laptop

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Like any program you can use it wrong.

Only way we know if you used it correctly is.

You do what?

You see what?

I just did an install using Unetbootin and it works for me.

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Do this for a USB stick, so you can have a running Puppy version to use, for installing to the internal drive.

Maybe do this before trying to use Unetbootin.

Does Mint have the Gparted program or some other program that can partition and format drives?

If Gparted.

Warning make sure you are selected to work on the correct drive!

Start Gparted and select the correct USB drive device to work on.

In the Gparted window along the top is selections.

Select Device ->Create partition table......

Select msdos

Click on apply.

That will delete everything on the drive and make an msdos partition table with an MBR section at the start of the drive.

To make a partition.

Right click on the unallocated space and select new.

Select to use all of it.

Under file system drop down, Select to format as fat32

Select add.

At top of Gparted window click on the green check mark to apply to operation you just selected to do.

Now it should display you have a partition on the drive and it is formatted fat32.

To flag it.

Right click on the partition and select manage flags

Select boot

Select close

Now Gparted should be displaying the drive with one partition , formatted fat32 and flagged boot.

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Re: Trying to get Puppy Linux on Inspiron 6000 laptop

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You have tried BookwormPup32 and I am not sure if you ever got it to boot.

But you need to get a Puppy version booting from a USB first.

To do any installs of Puppy to an internal drive, you need to use the Puppy installer programs, that are provided in a Puppy version.
These are the only installer programs that know how to do it correctly on an internal drive.

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Re: Trying to get Puppy Linux on Inspiron 6000 laptop

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Pre-breakfast, so I'm going to try to be succint.
Do not wipe a computer's OS unless and until you have another way to work with that computer: Boot from a USB-Key, a CD/DVD or prepare a USB-Key/CD/DVD for it on a different computer.

Puppys are designed as portable operating systesm: that is they will be self-contained on a DVD/CD or in a folder :thumbup: on a USB-Key or Hard-Drive. Once up-and-running, changes --new applications, application config files-- are preserved in either a special block formatted Linux --known as an SaveFile.SFS-- or a folder on a partiton already formatted as Linux. Most programs and applications which write operating systems to a USB-Key DO NOT UNDERSTAND THAT. They create Keys which are READ-ONLY; Puppys will not be able to write changes.
[Only a SaveFile can be used if none of your partitions are formatted Linux: that is, for example, only formatted Fat32 or ntfs. SaveFolders are recommended as easier to work with].

Once you have a Puppy up-and-running you can use its applications to deploy it or another Puppy to a CD/DVD, USB-Key or hard-drive. But from some other operating systems your choices are limited. They are designed to write a READ-ONLY system to a USB-Key: You use that Key to install that Linux to a hard-drive; thus getting that system on your hard-drive is a two step process.

Running Windows, it is recommened that you install Rufus into your Windows OS and run it. See this post: https://www.forum.puppylinux.com/viewto ... 522#p40522. Currently I suggest an older version --perhaps rufus-3.22p.exe, the portable version from here, https://rufus.ie/downloads/, I'm not sure the newer versions will run under a 32-bit OS.

From a Linux OS --such as your Linux Mint-- I suggest you install and run Unetbootin. Unetbootin ALMOST GETS IT WRITE. It thinks you are creating a CD/DVD installation disk and writes the boot-loader accordingly. What you then have to do is edit the boot-loader's config file. See my post here, https://www.forum.puppylinux.com/viewto ... 530#p16530 fleshing out, I hope, the instructions bigpup provided here, viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1931&p=15482&hilit= ... fig#p15482.

The other work-around is to use any other application to create an installation USB-Key, boot up the Puppy on that Key and use it's applications to deploy Puppy to a 2nd USB-Key.

As I said in the beginning, "Do not wipe a computer's OS unless and until you have another way to work with that computer."

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Re: Trying to get Puppy Linux on Inspiron 6000 laptop

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I am not having any issues booting with an install done by latest version of Unetbootin.

But I am using the newer of newest versions of Puppy to install.

The USB stick is already partitioned and formatted fat32, flagged boot.

The partition stays formatted fat32.

Depending on the Puppy version.

When it's boot loader menu pops up.

Selecting the correct entry to use could be an issue.

Example:
I installed BookwormPup64 10.0.10 on the USB stick.
Because it has two boot loaders it can use. One for UEFI bios and one for legacy bios.
The computer I am using can see the USB stick as two completely different drives.
One is identified as a UEFI boot device.
One is identified as a legacy bios boot device.

If I pick the UEFI identified USB device, it boots for a UEFI bios setup.
It's displayed boot menu entries all work for UEFI bios booting.

If I pick the legacy bios identified USB device, it boots for that type bios.
A completely different boot menu listing is displayed.

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Re: Trying to get Puppy Linux on Inspiron 6000 laptop

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mikeslr wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2025 3:48 pm

Pre-breakfast, so I'm going to try to be succint.
Do not wipe a computer's OS unless and until you have another way to work with that computer: Boot from a USB-Key, a CD/DVD or prepare a USB-Key/CD/DVD for it on a different computer.

Dear Expert #3,

Please read the WHOLE thread. There are no USB sticks, no CDs, etc... that work. The solution, and I will be brief too is to clone the partition that is needed. That job is done, and now I am on to something new.

I am working on updating another Linux OS so I can get gparted and continue bigpup's steps.

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Re: Trying to get Puppy Linux on Inspiron 6000 laptop

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Looking back over your posts, about the internal drive.

Not sure what is still on it, that will boot.

One thing about installing Puppy to an internal drive, that you want to also have other operating systems(OS), on it.

Get all the other OS's installed.

Because to be able to boot them and also a Puppy.

The boot loaders Puppy installs, will need to be used.
But they need to find what is installed to make entries for all.

Other boot loaders, have no idea how to make an entry, to boot Puppy.

All other operating systems, when you install them, install their version of a boot loader.

At least they all are setup to make a boot menu entry, to boot Windows, if it is installed.

Installing basics:
The operating system is installed.
A boot loader is installed to boot it.

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Re: Trying to get Puppy Linux on Inspiron 6000 laptop

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Are we having fun yet? :lol: :D

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Re: Trying to get Puppy Linux on Inspiron 6000 laptop

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bigpup wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2025 2:51 pm

Select msdos

Click on apply.

When I do that, I get the following.

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The answer seems to be to unmount the USB stick before doing all this.

bigpup wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2025 2:51 pm

Under file system drop down, Select to format as fat32

Only ext2. ext3, ext4, and ntfs are available. FAT32 is grayed out. I will wait and if no reply, I will go ahead with ntfs, and then ext4 (exfat is grayed out too).

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Re: Trying to get Puppy Linux on Inspiron 6000 laptop

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@progrockfrog I would not recommend formatting the usb to ntfs. That is a windows partition type and will cause you problems.

If I remember correctly you got puppy to boot off the hard drive. If that is the case your best bet to get a bootable usb drive is to boot puppy from the hard drive and use one of the tools in Bookworm to create a bootable usb. You will want the usb to be either fat32 or a combo of fat32 and ext3 or ext4

Question have I gotten my facts correct? if so is it Bookworm10 x64?

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Re: Trying to get Puppy Linux on Inspiron 6000 laptop

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progrockfrog wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2025 4:44 pm

Dear Expert #3,

Please read the WHOLE thread. There are no USB sticks, no CDs, etc... that work.

So the screenshots of the bookworm32 desktop you previously posted were not on the inspiron 6000?

if gparted problematic, you may have better luck with your USB if you wipe the USB with dd, reboot and reinsert

We can also use the dd command to wipe data. A hard disk, for example, can be completely wiped with dd by overwriting the disk with null characters or zeros.
$ sudo dd if=/dev/zero bs=5m of=/dev/sda
The amount of time this command will take to finish will depend upon the size and type of the block device.

https://linuxconfig.org/Dd

also
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tone_indicator

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Re: Trying to get Puppy Linux on Inspiron 6000 laptop

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d-pupp wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2025 7:12 pm

@progrockfrog

If I remember correctly you got puppy to boot off the hard drive. If that is the case your best bet to get a bootable usb drive is to boot puppy from the hard drive and use one of the tools in Bookworm to create a bootable usb. You will want the usb to be either fat32 or a combo of fat32 and ext3 or ext4

Question have I gotten my facts correct? if so is it Bookworm10 x64?

I will try to clarify myself more in my next post because williwaw has also asked some good questions, and the next post could clarify things for both of you. It will take me some time to retrace my steps because I have several computers I am working with, along with progress on the Inspiron. I will map out my goals and if allowed I will be mentioning other Linux OS's, not for competition, but for clarity. Each has a purpose that suits their development. I wouldn't want Linux Mint Cinnamon on my Acer Aspire D257 for example.

One thing you could get back to me on is, I agree I should stick to FAT32 if I can. That is why I paused. You mentioned ext3. First ext4 is the only one available in Linux Mint from their pull down menu. Not that it makes a difference because the one I showed in Bodhi Linux with gparted shows more ext numbers.

First question is, is there something special about ext4 over the others? Second, you mention ext3 but not ext2, why? This is more for educational value than anything else. Alright, I am going to look at the pictures I made and try to give you guys rhyme and reason for what I am doing. I will try to finish within an hour.

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Re: Trying to get Puppy Linux on Inspiron 6000 laptop

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puppy can run from fat32, but you will be constrained to using savefiles rather than savefolders. look at savefiles as an older method that requires more persistence management skills. If you are not constrained to running puppy exclusively from a windows partition, then there is no downside to using ext partitions, savefolders and some advantages.

when choosing between ext partition types, there are a few distros offered here at the forum that have features ony available with ext4. while there is no upside to using ext2 and ext3 over ext4. older advice about using ext2 to limit writes to flash based disk storage is considered outdated with the improvements of the technology in recent years

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Re: Trying to get Puppy Linux on Inspiron 6000 laptop

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@progrockfrog
IF you are willing to follow my instructions in regards to either the Dell or the Acer, PLUS if EVERYONE ELSE WILL PLEASE BE QUIET FOR A WHILE!!!
I can get you a frugal installed Puppy using the Windows executable I mentioned. THERE WILL BE NO NEED TO FORMAT YOUR HARD DRIVE, NO
NEED TO MAKE A NEW PARTITION, NO NEED TO FITZ AROUND TRYING TO REMEMBER WHICH USB THUMB DRIVE HAS THE BOOTABLE PUPPY,
NO NEED TO USE ANY OTHER LINUX DISTRIBUTION. This is about as simple as you can get whenever a PC already has Windows XP running.
The executable I mentioned just creates a folder on your Windows drive which is normally C: So you get something like C:\slacko6.3.0,
then the executable loads the grub4dos files where they will be found, changes the Windows boot.ini file, so that c:\grldr (the grub loader)
will be able to boot Puppy. By default, your PC will boot to Windows within like a 5 or 10 second timeout, or YOU can choose to load
Puppy! Once we get this boot procedure established, then all you have to do to "install" another Puppy is make a new folder on your C:
drive, say something like C:\bionic. Then, I use 7zip for this step, I open Windows Explorer file manager, right click on the downloaded
Puppy iso, choose to extract, and then using the 7zip selector I choose the new folder I created to extract the contents of the iso into.
That's it...done...you just frugal installed another Puppy! Now, to get to choose it at boot time, in Windows Explorer again, look at the
top level of your C: drive. You may need to check the option to view hidden/system files, but look for the file named menu.lst
(that's menu.list without the i, not menu.1st with the number one). Open that file in Windows Notepad...you'll see a couple of sections
that mention "Slacko"...highlight those and choose "copy", then move your cursor down below last Slacko stanza, I go ahead and press
Return key to insert a line, then "paste" the copied Slacko stanzas. Now, either the newly copied stanzas, or the top ones, go and
change Slacko to read like "Bionic" and change the references in those stanzas to point to your newly installed Bionic in my example
yours may be different. Watch capitalization, as Linux is case sensitive where Windows isn't in regards to folder names.
I'll help where I can, and provide example if you would like.
Up to you.

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Re: Trying to get Puppy Linux on Inspiron 6000 laptop

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Here is a rundown of what I am working with. The crux of the situation has to do with the Dell Inspiron 6000 laptop. This is where PuppyLinux came in, saved the day for backups, and is now in experimental territory.

My best computer, desktop#1, has Linux Mint Virginia which I am using now until I sort out getting backups completed. You guys have already helped in that department by helping me get the Dell Inspiron files. Thank you for that. Now, I just have to put them in other storage devices. I also have Linux Mint Xia on this computer, but I won't touch Xia until I am ready to basically reformat the whole computer. No, I won't actually do it, but Virginia is working like a charm and I refuse to touch it. I refuse to use gparted. I refuse to partition anything. The only thing I will do on this computer is reformat USBs or try Ventoy installations. That's just the way it's going to be regarding this computer for now. I can't chance losing files.

Desktop#2 has PeppermintOS. It forces me to use the terminal to get what I need, but it's where I am at. It's where I should have been. Right now it is on standby, and it will be housing most of the backups I have. The question is, how good is the hard drive? It's a 10 year old computer and if it only needs a new hard drive I might get one or simply use a spare SSD I have that isn't doing anything now. These are options for later. If I get PuppyLinux stuff working on the laptop/netbook, I might play around with adding it to PeppermintOS in the future. That is, when I see a light at the end of the tunnel.

Desktop#3 has Windows 11 installed. It's actually a much better computer than desktop 2, but it's being reserved for someone else. It might have backups too, and who knows, I might use this as a test case for PuppyLinux before I implement it into desktop 1. Estimate June for consideration.

Now, onto the laptops.

I have access to a Dell Inspiron 15 3000. The problem with this beast is that it has a HDD, not SSD. So, it runs at turtle speed. It has Windows 10 on it now. I hooked up a SSD external drive and this is where I really learned about legacy vs. uefi. It simply wouldn't load unless I changed this setting in the BIOS. Now it can run Windows 11 at rabbit speed.

Again, this is reserved for someone else. Windows must be on it, not linux. Maybe a stupid idea like buying an internal SSD drive might have to be done. Waste of money, but the user of it is not going to care about Linux. Work with what you got.

Next laptop, Dell Inspiron 6000. This is what I was originally planning on putting PuppyLinux on. However, when I started it up (2 years later), I saw an old Ubuntu, and XP!! Nothing in the XP was needed. In Ubuntu, there were, and there are files in the partition that I wanted to back up. I didn't have the exact numbers but the partition was 14.14gb. I now know that 2.2gb was the size of the files I wanted to get. Thanks to PhotoRec and PuppyLinux I was able to back up these (I think). However, I didn't have 14.14gb space to work with. The PhotoRec process stopped, and you can see that in this thread on page 1 where I stated, "Well that ran into a problem." My assumption now is that I was able to get the 2.2gb, but not all of the 14.14 which doesn't matter. Those were probably the Ubuntu files and the next big one was a movie which was over 1gb. So, that means ~13gb of stuff is there that I can't recognize as being worth retrieving.

Keep in mind, I didn't know it was 2.2gb. I figured it was 3gb or less. So, I am pretty content there because I did get a cloned copy of the 14.14gb partition (sda5 referenced in prior posts) in Ubuntu.

williwaw mentioned they didn't look like PuppyLinux files. Yes williwaw!!! That's is what made me look deeper. I did find them in a "Home" location. So, I knew they were there. I showed a picture of that. That is what let me to the PhotoRec stuff.

d-pupp was asking about the distro. I thought I had VoidPup, but you might be right. I probably was using BookwormPup.

I'll make this next part quick. I was able to reinstall Windows XP and save the 14.14 partition in whole using EaseUS Partition Master.

Now, onto williwaw's question.

"So the screenshots of the bookworm32 desktop you previously posted were not on the inspiron 6000?"

They couldn't be, because after getting a new XP, the USB "factor" was non-negotiable. I ran into UEFI Legacy factors and the BIOS in the Inspiron 6000 would not oblige. The point is, I had to get the 2.2gb files and I got them. Now it is experimental time in the Inspiron. It runs XP fine, but there is no need for it anymore. That is why I am using something else.

SOMETHING ELSE

I still have the Acer Aspire D257 with Bodhi Linux. This should answer williwaw's question. NO. What you see now will probably be Bodhi Linux ONLY on the Acer Aspire.

Do we have our facts straight now? Dell Inspiron 6000, running XP. Acer Aspire D257 Bodhi Linux.

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Re: Trying to get Puppy Linux on Inspiron 6000 laptop

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Wiz57 wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2025 10:16 pm

@progrockfrog
IF you are willing to follow my instructions in regards to either the Dell or the Acer, PLUS if EVERYONE ELSE WILL PLEASE BE QUIET FOR A WHILE!!!
I can get you a frugal installed Puppy using the Windows executable I mentioned. THERE WILL BE NO NEED TO FORMAT YOUR HARD DRIVE, NO
NEED TO MAKE A NEW PARTITION, NO NEED TO FITZ AROUND TRYING TO REMEMBER WHICH USB THUMB DRIVE HAS THE BOOTABLE PUPPY,
NO NEED TO USE ANY OTHER LINUX DISTRIBUTION. This is about as simple as you can get whenever a PC already has Windows XP running.
The executable I mentioned just creates a folder on your Windows drive which is normally C: So you get something like C:\slacko6.3.0,
then the executable loads the grub4dos files where they will be found, changes the Windows boot.ini file, so that c:\grldr (the grub loader)
will be able to boot Puppy. By default, your PC will boot to Windows within like a 5 or 10 second timeout, or YOU can choose to load
Puppy! Once we get this boot procedure established, then all you have to do to "install" another Puppy is make a new folder on your C:
drive, say something like C:\bionic. Then, I use 7zip for this step, I open Windows Explorer file manager, right click on the downloaded
Puppy iso, choose to extract, and then using the 7zip selector I choose the new folder I created to extract the contents of the iso into.
That's it...done...you just frugal installed another Puppy! Now, to get to choose it at boot time, in Windows Explorer again, look at the
top level of your C: drive. You may need to check the option to view hidden/system files, but look for the file named menu.lst
(that's menu.list without the i, not menu.1st with the number one). Open that file in Windows Notepad...you'll see a couple of sections
that mention "Slacko"...highlight those and choose "copy", then move your cursor down below last Slacko stanza, I go ahead and press
Return key to insert a line, then "paste" the copied Slacko stanzas. Now, either the newly copied stanzas, or the top ones, go and
change Slacko to read like "Bionic" and change the references in those stanzas to point to your newly installed Bionic in my example
yours may be different. Watch capitalization, as Linux is case sensitive where Windows isn't in regards to folder names.
I'll help where I can, and provide example if you would like.
Up to you.

Hello expert #4.

So you are a Slacko supporter?

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Re: Trying to get Puppy Linux on Inspiron 6000 laptop

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@progrockfrog OK I'm starting to understand. That was a long explanation.

It is the Dell insprion 6000 running XP that you want to experiment with for puppy Correct?

A quick search tells me it's from around 2010 with a 32 bit CPU Correct?
How much ran does it have installed?
You are willing to format the drive to do a frugal install of a 32 bit Puppy Correct?
Or you are willing to install a 32 bit Puppy to a USB for this laptop Correct?

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Re: Trying to get Puppy Linux on Inspiron 6000 laptop

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d-pupp wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:53 pm

@progrockfrog OK I'm starting to understand. That was a long explanation.

It is the Dell insprion 6000 running XP that you want to experiment with for puppy Correct?

A quick search tells me it's from around 2010 with a 32 bit CPU Correct?
How much ran does it have installed?
You are willing to format the drive to do a frugal install of a 32 bit Puppy Correct?

It is the Dell insprion 6000 running XP that you want to experiment with for puppy Correct?

YES

A quick search tells me it's from around 2010 with a 32 bit CPU Correct?

32 bit seems to be the only answer.

You are willing to format the drive to do a frugal install of a 32 bit Puppy Correct?

You guys really like these words like "frugal". Some tenants call their landlords "stingy". But ok, I want to be frugal.

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