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@mouldy
Sorry ....i am a bit late.

@fredx181 wrote:

Better then without EXIT : changes=/changes (changes are saved directly, not running in RAM).

Exactly what i meant.

So One can make two menu.lst Entries......for switching/booting from one or the other....

one menu.lst Entry with the
EXIT:/changes Option (This way of saving changes is equivalent of "pupmode=13" in puppy , saving changes only at shutdown or on Demand) ....

And a second menu.lst Entry
without EXIT : changes=/changes (changes are saved directly, not running in RAM.......for more Ram demanding Tasks.

So you can switch/boot into one or the other Option/Mode temporary as needed.

And total success. Houdini installed. Keep forgetting android is touchy feelie. PrimeOS and BlissOS have way to open app selection with a "start button". Waydroid you have to use mouse to open the app selection by clicking and holding and pulling upwards on screen. Like you would use your finger on touch screen.

Anyway Kindle4Android installed and I can open it. Bookworm Dog is now the only linux I have run on the HP Stream that has successfully been able to use the Kindle app via Waydroid. Not too bad for a wormy dog.

bookwarm dog
please can you publsh an iso image
with waydroid

ljlj wrote: ↑Sun Mar 10, 2024 1:45 pm

bookwarm dog
please can you publsh an iso image
with waydroid

Dogs do have script to make an iso from a frugal install. Be interesting to try.

@mouldy Perhaps if you feel like it someday, you can write a little how-to about your *droid* experiences on Bookworm Dog in the DebianDogs section.

EDIT:

Dogs do have script to make an iso from a frugal install. Be interesting to try.

Quick-remaster Gui (package quick-remaster) is the most useful IMO, it creates a remastered filesystem and (optional) an ISO.

fredx181 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 10, 2024 2:18 pm

@mouldy Perhaps if you feel like it someday, you can write a little how-to about your droid experiences on Bookworm Dog in the DebianDogs section.

EDIT:

Dogs do have script to make an iso from a frugal install. Be interesting to try.

Quick-remaster Gui (package quick-remaster) is the most useful IMO, it creates a remastered filesystem and (optional) an ISO.

Sure especially I get little more mileage on it. Its obvious there is interest in Waydroid, but nobody makes it particularly easy. Well except standard Fedora 39 with GNOME. That was first one I got it working. Its easier than say Debian or Ubuntu cause it has Waydroid in its own repositories so you arent jumping hoops to add a repository (talking to you, UBUNTU). And GNOME has wayland compositor "MUTTER" built in. So no having to use weston. I think KDE has a wayland compositor built in too. You still have to run that script to install Houdini. I hope somebody finds good way to use Waydroid on a non-systemd system. Think that maybe above my pay grade.

Its still probably going to be easiest for most people to read that article I linked earlier on installing PrimeOS (or BlissOS or Android x86) in a root directory in linux and can add entry to your bootloader to boot it there. Yea lot like Puppies and Dogs. But Waydroid is cool once you have it working. Be interesting what that remaster turns out like.

mouldy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 10, 2024 2:15 pm

ljlj wrote: ↑Sun Mar 10, 2024 1:45 pm

bookwarm dog
please can you publsh an iso image
with waydroid

Dogs do have script to make an iso from a frugal install. Be interesting to try.

The script ran out of room and left me with garbage file as it also tries to update my install. So when I either find my spare SSD or get those two I ordered, will dedicate one of those to just BookwormDog with Waydroid. And after a reinstall of Waydroid and a backup this time of the changes file before running script will try again. And on a faster computer. The poor little Stream just not lot computer power though it was chugging away until it ran out space.

If you cant wait, I did write a less rambling account of installing Waydroid on BookwormDog in the Dog House "DebianDogs" section of forum. Its not that hard, its just lot busywork steps, but follow the recipe and it works. And Fred found how to make it work on BookwormDog without systemd (pretty simple workaround) so thats a big bonus for those that prefer not to have systemd. Anyway means Waydroid isnt tied in death grip to systemd as I feared.

Ok, found a spare 20GB SSD and tried again. It completed. But on reboot, pretty far along actually, it stopped with fatal server error. So guessing the remaster script got confused somewhere along the line. Its really not that hard to follow my recipe plus some help from Fred posts on the thread in his Dog House DebianDogs forum. I mostly was curious if I could make a bootable Dog iso with Waydroid and Houdini completely included. Apparently not. Least not without more work than I want to put into it. Not really wanting to become a developer and deal with updates, etc. Now Fred has already found a way to get Waydroid working without systemd so he is one you should ask. He apparently saw immediately the problem and a workaround while I was just futilely beating my head against the wall. I am just regular casual user that really wanted waydroid working for my own use and in way workable on a low spec computer. Oh by way the non-bootable iso (I tried booting it in Ventoy) was around 1.8GB. Most of that the Android stuff of course. Just letting you know there is no tiny iso with waydroid. Though thats not that bad considering how many distributions out there use that and dont give you waydroid.

Now DebianDog "live" folder plus "changes" folder with waydroid installed is around 5GB in condition to boot and run. So its relatively small far as operating systems go. I get it you really want a small linux with waydroid. But i strongly suggest you look at that article I referred to earlier on installing PrimeOS to a root directory in linux. This can boot with GRUB2 entry. But you cant just toggle back and forth like with waydroid, Doing it this way you will have to reboot to get to either linux or android. its a lot easier way to get android though. Though try the recipe I posted on Fred's DebianDogs forum, it really isnt that hard to get waydroid installed. Course I have installed waydroid on many systems now so its not that big of a deal. And as I keep pointing out and nobody hears, if you really, really want easiest way to install waydroid, go install Fedora 39 with GNOME desktop. Its in their repository and pretty trivial using their package manager. GNOME already has a wayland compositor built into it. Hey that was my first success installing it. That will just be android x86. You would still have to install Houdini with script if you want to run android ARM apps. PrimeOS already has Houdini and can run ARM apps out of the box.

ljlj wrote: ↑Sun Mar 10, 2024 1:45 pm

bookwarm dog
please can you publsh an iso image
with waydroid

Ok, if you want a BookwormDog-Waydroid iso, here: https://www.forum.puppylinux.com/viewto ... 84#p113984 Link is in one of Fred's posts. I had posted about my lack of success and the log where my xserver crashed before my iso booted.. Well Fred created one and wanted me to try it. It works very well. I even burned it to dvd and booted that. Ok unless you have an extremely powerful computer, you will need to create a read-write "changes" folder somewhere for it to interact with. And then reboot using the "changes" folder option. I was able to get to the android desktop and use the android browser. FROM A LIVE DVD.

This is a test iso, Fred will take it down in a week or so. He no longer publishes iso's. For my own curiosity I am going to try once more. I did try remastering a BookwormDog without waydroid, just making few changes so I knew the remaster worked. It did.

Ok, makes a difference computer used. This time I tried remaster on my i5 desktop. And succeeded. So now I have iso with waydroid, houdini, and the Kindle app. Still cant get over that I can boot it as live dvd though obviously not the best way to do it. Oh and with maximum compression, its 1734M. Thats really, really good considering all the extra weight Waydroid brings.

I just realized something, if I downloaded bunch books into the Kindle app and did a remaster. They would be there forever come heck or high water.

Just want to say I enjoyed reading this nice little "adventure". From this I am now curious enough to delve into waydroid, which I deduce to be a specialised emulator for android, Houdini which is like an arm to x86 translation api, and weston, a wayland compositor or window manager? ... Also I want to know if Fred's systemd bypass trick can be applied universally?

stemsee wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2024 1:52 am

... Also I want to know if Fred's systemd bypass trick can be applied universally?

I think so yes, as waydroid doesn't have a hard dependency on systemd (AFAIK), so the initial start can be done by using sysvinit script or from ~/Startup .
(or manually: /usr/bin/waydroid -w container start ).

stemsee wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2024 1:52 am

Just want to say I enjoyed reading this nice little "adventure". From this I am now curious enough to delve into waydroid, which I deduce to be a specialised emulator for android, Houdini which is like an arm to x86 translation api, and weston, a wayland compositor or window manager? ... Also I want to know if Fred's systemd bypass trick can be applied universally?

Its easier for me to think of Waydroid more like a sort of a WINE for android.

Its one of tricks of waydroid, it uses that a wayland compositor window which you can maximize/minimize as way to toggle between linux and android. Weston is the usual one used with waydroid in non-GNOME/KDE desktop, but there are several available. I am still trying to figure out how to get waydroid to use Sway, another wayland compositor. Probably pretty simple, but clear as mud to me, least with limited info I found. No problem installing Sway and it opens a wayland window easily but making waydroid see and use it......

Oh and Gnome/KDE come with their own built in wayland compositors, the one in GNOME is called 'mutter'. Waydroid works fine in GNOME, so doesnt particularly need weston, but does need wayland. Now how well it would work in a pure wayland linux with no x11, not sure. From what I have read, linux is moving away from x11 and towards wayland. So likely find out in few years.

Oh for pete's sake, it is stupid simple to use Sway instead of Weston. Install Sway, type sway in terminal. Up pops sway compositor screen. Now push the "windows" key and enter. Up pops "foot" terminal. Type "waydroid first-launch" And there your are. I personally like Sway bit better than Weston, but not really important.