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@fredx181, @Clarity, @wiak ,@geo_c,
Thank you all for the very informative replies. I did not expect to trigger this level of response.

Oh I see - could be a question about the likes of build_firstrib_rootfs.sh and FRmake_*.sh scripts

Yes this is the main issue I was raising. I had a small idea of what they were but not what they might do and not whether there was some mechanism that caused them to be loaded at boot up. I have now said many times on this forum that I am a simple user of the OSs that are hosted here and have very little or perhaps no expertise. This tends to make me very wary of anything I haven't seen before particularly the files, folders etc found inside an .iso that I am going to attempt to install on my hdd and then boot. Now I know what they are for I think it is unlikely that I will make use of them. For the moment I have placed them in their own folder.

if KLA-OT2baseCE-1.0 is an "only for experts" OS then please let me know.

From what I've said above you may not be surprised to here that I am a user who prefers to use a GUI rather than the command line I expect that more use of the command line than I am used to will be require. All I've done so far is connected to the wifi and done some setting up manly of the included browser. I will probably switch to one of the portable browsers I already use. I do more this evening and see how I get on.

Regards,

Ken.

keniv wrote: Tue Mar 14, 2023 11:50 am

I will probably switch to one of the portable browsers I already use. I do more this evening and see how I get on.

I have no idea how or if such portables (that were designed I guess for Puppy Linux use) will work. Certainly such items could be made to work with any KL distro, and maybe that's already been done - I wouldn't know since I generally just install my browser (usually Chromium) via package manager.

Non-forum-made AppImages certainly work. I used to use Ferdium AppImage (which is basically Chromium underneath) in KLV and also WDL_Arch64 (the earlier version of KLA-OT2 really), so if there are any AppImages for browsers more generally, I think they work in pretty much any Linux distro. @Mikewalsh I guess knows which if not all of his designed-for-Puppy portables work in KLV though - I do remember him trying some in earlier KLV dev days. One issue might be the /usr/lib situation -> /lib is a symlink in the likes of Void Linux and Arch Linux and more recent Debians even I think, so older 'designed-for-Puppy-portable browsers' may run into problems with that.

@wiak / @keniv :-

Most of the current release Chromium-clone 'portables' work without issue in KLV, AFAICT. The Menu entry scripts add/remove OK; the only thing you notice is the absence of screen 'flicker' which you get in Puppy when JWM restarts.

Also, some of them will appear under the 'Other' category (I always use the Whisker menu) rather than under Internet.....simply because I haven't yet got around to re-writing all the Menu add/remove scripts to detect for XFCE, but function they most certainly do. And I do like the ability with current XFCE for simply dragging an item from the Whisker menu directly onto the desktop. That's neat, and simplifies things no end.

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The lib->/usr/lib sym-link thing appears to make no difference at all. They're quite happy with it. I can see the logic behind it - I understand the original layout was dictated by the restricted drive sizes of Dennis Ritchie's initial hardware, and having to spread his OS out across TWO drives - but because all the 'top-level' directories have been 'moved' into /usr via symlinks, it makes no odds to existing applications. They will still find everything they're looking for, and therefore run/work.....which at the end of the day, is all any of us really need.

Mike.

@mikewalsh,@wiak
I have PaleMoon_gtk2-portable64 running in KLV-Airedale rc3 and was hoping to use this or Firefox-portable64 in KLA-OT2baseCE. I have some of the Chromium-clone 'portables' but I don't use these so much but I could use one if I had to.

Ken.

On phone right now so can't check. I can't remember if kla-ot2 has gtk2 installed, though could be added anyway. I tend now to go for gtk3 app releases.

wiak wrote: Tue Mar 14, 2023 3:09 pm

On phone right now so can't check. I can't remember if kla-ot2 has gtk2 installed, though could be added anyway. I tend now to go for gtk3 app releases.

Have tried PaleMoon_gtk2-portable64 and Firefox-portable64 and neither work. As far as Chromium-clone 'portables' are concerned Opera does work including "menu add".

Ken.

keniv wrote: Tue Mar 14, 2023 4:21 pm

... you may not be surprised to here that I am a user who prefers to use a GUI rather than the command line I expect that more use of the command line than I am used to will be require. All I've done so far is connected to the wifi and done some setting up manly of the included browser. I will probably switch to one of the portable browsers I already use. I do more this evening and see how I get on.

I think you are taking a practical approach and this distro could use any helpful ideas you can provide.

IMHO, this distro strives to make this THE Friendliest distro this forum has to offer that is attractive to BOTH users with little terminal skills AS WELL AS those who prefer friendly GUIs; namely a distro attractive and useful to all user types; experienced and new. ... again, IMHO.

Let this KL thread (and other KLs too) know your successes, future progress and ideas.

Sofiya wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 11:46 am

Script to automatically set the time zone

put the script in: /etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d/09-timezone

Code: Select all

#!/bin/sh
## /etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d/09-timezone
## https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/System_time#Update_timezone_every_time_NetworkManager_connects_to_a_network

case "$2" in
    up)
        timedatectl set-timezone "$(curl --fail https://ipapi.co/timezone)"
    ;;
esac

Have placed 09-timezone as described above. It has made no difference to correctly setting the time. Is this file supposed to be made executable? Have also set the time zone via Menu>Settings>TimeZone. Currently the date is a day out and the time is 8.30am. Time here is currently 8.30pm. Just 12 hours out! Also I cannot find a way to set the keyboard to a UK keyboard. Have downloaded the 1.1 .iso. download was much faster.

Ken.

keniv wrote: Tue Mar 14, 2023 7:42 pm

Sofiya wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 11:46 am Script to automatically set the time zone

put the script in: /etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d/09-timezone

Code: Select all

#!/bin/sh
## /etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d/09-timezone
## https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/System_time#Update_timezone_every_time_NetworkManager_connects_to_a_network

case "$2" in
    up)
        timedatectl set-timezone "$(curl --fail https://ipapi.co/timezone)"
    ;;
esac

Have placed 09-timezone as described above. It has made no difference to correctly setting the time. Is this file supposed to be made executable? Have also set the time zone via Menu>Settings>TimeZone. Currently the date is a day out and the time is 8.30am. Time here is currently 8.30pm. Just 12 hours out! Also I cannot find a way to set the keyboard to a UK keyboard. Have downloaded the 1.1 .iso. download was much faster.

Ken.

Have placed 09-timezone as described above. It has made no difference to correctly setting the time. Is this file supposed to be made executable?

Also I cannot find a way to set the keyboard to a UK keyboard.

# Set keyboard settings
setxkbmap -layout gb -variant -option grp:alt_shift_toggle,terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp &

setxkbmap -model pc104 -layout gb -variant , -option grp:terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp &

rockedge wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:30 pm

Sofiya wrote:

... the time zone

T... Trying to set the time of KLA on a QEMU machine. ...

I am not sure this is helpful, but I offer it: In QEMU, my stanza insures the VM has the same time as the host.

qemu-system-x86_64 -enable-kvm -vga std -m 2G -smp 2 -device AC97 -net nic -net user -rtc base=localtime -name "KLV-Airedale-rc11 via QEMU" -cdrom KLV-Airedale-rc11.iso 

Is this helpful knowledge?

this is the piece I need

-rtc base=localtime

I didn't know (or notice) about setting timezone for QEMU.

However, more generally, whilst I think Sofiya's auto-timezone setting is very interesting, that method is a problem at present for those who prefer to avoid commandline and/or are uncomfortable with using it.

Thinking of @keniv and others I can only say that, personally, I always just use:

Start Menu -> Settings -> Timezone (wd_timezone)

As fredx181 said, that simple yad GUI isn't particularly intuitive. It does work though:

You click the down arrow, and then best to use PgDn (by which I mean actual Page Down, not just cursor down - on my laptop I need to press Function Key at same time as PgDn to actually get Page Down!).

And then you quick scroll to find your own timezone entry and select it and then press OKAY button.

Then if you hover your mouse over the taskbar displayed time you should notice it changes to your own timezone. All this assumes your BIOS clock is set up appropriately, but if you have correct time with other distros such as Puppy Linux then I expect it is.

I suddenly realize a need for a program similar to psync that is in Puppy Linux also should be in KLV and KLA + KLU to have a GUI control to sync the system clock on demand. In KLV we only deal with the sync occurring on system start, but no way to do it on demand with no need to reboot.

Should go into the Dev section with this one

rockedge wrote: Tue Mar 14, 2023 10:59 pm I suddenly realize a need for a program similar to psync that is in Puppy Linux also should be in KLV and KLA + KLU to have a GUI control to sync the system clock on demand. In KLV we only deal with the sync occurring on system start, but no way to do it on demand with no need to reboot.

Should go into the Dev section with this one

mikewalsh wrote: Tue Mar 14, 2023 1:35 pm @wiak / @keniv :-
Also, some of them will appear under the 'Other' category (I always use the Whisker menu) rather than under Internet.....
Mike.