Slow forum access times....anyone but me?

[d-pupp]

@rockedge Wow a lot of work. Thanks for do that.
This is just an observation on my part. The forum is very fast at first however as I work my way though the posts it does start to get slower. Anyone else seeing that?

[bigpup]

Did fresh new login

Forum is back to being slow.

About half as bad as before.

It shows a lot of waiting for forum.puppylinux.com, at each point of doing something new, in the loading process, of getting to a completed web page.

It is taking around 10 to 15 sec to complete loading.

Normally it is usually 1 or 2 sec.

[mikewalsh]

@d-pupp :-

@rockedge Wow a lot of work. Thanks for do that.
This is just an observation on my part. The forum is very fast at first however as I work my way though the posts it does start to get slower. Anyone else seeing that?

Well, thank goodness for that. I was beginning to think I was imagining things.....

@rockedge :-

Might this be anything to do with all this extra stuff you've added in, Erik? You've worked miracles, but I can't help thinking summat still ain't quite right...

(*shrug...*)

Mike.

[bigpup]

@rockedge

Just an idea.

Remove the digital clock.

Maybe that is doing something strange in keeping the time correct.

[rockedge]

Just an idea.

Remove the digital clock.

Maybe that is doing something strange in keeping the time correct.

I have it disabled already for Guest views and you can turn it off in your User Control Panel. I have it turned off and it doesn't show much of an effect. The sites were very fast just an hour ago. Some thing is hitting the sites again with requests or it could also be being on a shared server another entirely different account and domain is being flooded and it's effecting the entire bandwidth of the server, which effects us. Right now our logs look peaceful so it is again a tricky diagnosis.

The code for the clock display runs on the client side so it is run in each users browser.

[keniv]

Yes has gone from pretty well back to normal earlier today to quite slow again. I would just like to say that I do appreciate all the work that's going into trying to fix the problem. I wouldn't know where to start.

Ken.

[rockedge]

This is the latest major perpetrator that is just all over the oldforum scraping information and making many many page requests per minute
developers.facebook.com/docs/sharing/webmasters/crawler

[Wiz57]

Maybe RIPE can help with whomever is using their IP Addresses to spam the forum with requests?
https://www.ripe.net/about-us/support/abuse/

[rockedge]

How are the site speeds on your side? Is anyone still seeing really slow page request speeds on this forum or the Murga forum?

Attempting to get an idea on what conditions we are in around the planet.

[gychang]

fast now!

[backi]

Seems working correct now.

[Sofiya]

Now the site loads perfectly

[keniv]

Yep, seems to be back to normal here in UK.

Ken.

[fredx181]

No problems from here either, also the [mention] problem is fixed

[TerryH]

Fantastic now. @rockedge this has been an epic effort to keep the forum accessible. Thank you.

[d-pupp]

I just ran through all the new posts. It only slowed once for a few seconds.
Nice to have it back to normal.

[Marv]

Seems back to normal here too. THANKS

[mikewalsh]

Yup; A-OK here ATM. Nice work, Erik. "Well done, that man!"

Mike.

[Wiz57]

Just got home from work...took a bit longer than usual to load the forum index page, but once it loaded any topics clicked on loaded
about as normal.

[N97]

When I opened a new tab, it slowed a bit, otherwise A-OK.
One strange thing I note... after FF fingerprint.resists are set-up, ALL website clocks read UTC/Iceland. Puppy-OS clock correct.
This by design.

Thanks 4 all u do
N97

[bigpup]

Still fast here at this time.

[fredx181]

Sorry to say I got the "Too many requests" again several times, not always, and if not, pages open very slow.
edit: weird ... 10 minutes later, all is perfectly ok again !

[rockedge]

@fredx181 I think what is happening is one or more of the Bots that flood the sites (both forums, the Wikkawiki and the F96-CE page) with requests, but the firewall and server configurations carefully crafted are working. Battling off these particular Bots with deny and ban and strong URL rewrite rules, the repeated failures for these bots to access the site pages at all after a few minutes move on. During that time the Bot's coming in on many similar IP's using many different ports are flooding the server with URL requests will come so fast that a trigger mechanism will shut the door fully or at minimum slow down the server for rest of us.

It is a constant battle and needs some manual monitoring of the access, error and visitor logs as well.

These bots burn through a lot of bandwidth

[williwaw]

It is a constant battle and needs some manual monitoring of the access, error and visitor logs as well.

These bots burn through a lot of bandwidth :shock: :geek: 8-)

sounds like a waste of time and money
could there be any help found at this site with a search term something like......

Code: Select all

ban bot site:https://lowendtalk.com/discussion

[rockedge]

sounds like a waste of time and money

Then there would be no forum?

I have the main defenses in place and only tweak here and there now. When needed adding candidates to deny/ban using various methods.

[williwaw]

sounds like a waste of time and money

Then there would be no forum?

I wasnt saying you are wasting time and money to run this forum,
I was saying the bots are wasting your time and the additional bandwidth requirements may be wasting your money if there is an easier way to get the job done. perhaps there are some tips or resources to be found in the community I linked to.
I did not do an exaustive search, well, because perhaps you have some better key words?
I have found good advice posted on that forum re: servers, different types of hosting congs etc. a world wide community that seems to fight the same villians quite often.

[Clarity]

Curious if this is coming from some member who left the forum, unhappy, in its past since the new forum was established?

Maybe that person will see this post!

If found, return the favor.

[Wiz57]

@rockedge
Just ran across a mention of this Anubis on the Palemoon Forum...might be worth investigating?
https://xeiaso.net/blog/2025/anubis/
There are drawbacks, such as older text mode browsers, or JavaScript disabled, etc. would not have access.

[rockedge]

@Wiz57 What makes it tricky is that I have very limited access to the workings of the server itself. We are on a shared host and not a VPS, so I have to go in with limited abilities for direct server configuration but manage using research, experience and .htaccess file configuration magic.

I do have SSH access and also use a terminal to the server but being in a jailhouse only limited command line options.

Our Host provider does have good tools and metrics and a lot can be done that way. Best results come from .htaccess set ups.

[greengeek]

Imagine how bad this could become when every Joe Blow is running their own AI LLM at home and training them on sites/forums such as this one.
It'll be a potential nightmare.