KL - booting delay

[dcung]

I downloaded and tried KL for first time this week. Frugal installs.
KLA-OT2base-1.0.iso
KLA-XFCEbase-1.1.iso
KLU-jam-XFCEbase-1.0.iso

On 2 laptops that don't multiboot to Windows, any KLx boots fast - no delay. i.e. single partition ext4.

Some of my laptops multi-boot to Windows 10 and frugal install of various distros, i.e. multi partitions SSD (I tried it on 2 such laptops). And on those, I experienced booting delay (any KLx). It 'paused' for about 30 secs. I don't think EDD is the issue, I tried it EDD on/off - same thing.

All laptops used are older type - Core2Duo generation T8300, T7500, etc, 4GB RAM . 2 x Dell D630, 1 x Toshiba Satellite, 1 x Toshiba Tecra M5.
All laptops used are using grub4dos MBR.

Following is screenshot of partitions of the SSD - with booting delay.

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I used UUID option. If using LABEL option, it does not finish booting.

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title KLA-OT2base
  find --set-root uuid () a88aa792-4102-4c12-995e-be63c61d300c
  kernel /KLA-OT2base/vmlinuz w_bootfrom=UUID=a88aa792-4102-4c12-995e-be63c61d300c=/KLA-OT2base w_changes=RAM2
  initrd /KLA-OT2base/initrd.gz

title KLU-jam-XFCEbase
  find --set-root uuid () a88aa792-4102-4c12-995e-be63c61d300c
  kernel /KLU-jam-XFCEbase/vmlinuz w_bootfrom=UUID=a88aa792-4102-4c12-995e-be63c61d300c=/KLU-jam-XFCEbase w_changes=RAM2 edd=off
  initrd /KLU-jam-XFCEbase/initrd.gz

title KLA-XFCEbase
  find --set-root uuid () a88aa792-4102-4c12-995e-be63c61d300c
  kernel /KLA-XFCEbase/vmlinuz w_bootfrom=UUID=a88aa792-4102-4c12-995e-be63c61d300c=/KLA-XFCEbase w_changes=RAM2
  initrd /KLA-XFCEbase/initrd.gz

title fossapup64 9.6
  uuid a88aa792-4102-4c12-995e-be63c61d300c
  kernel /TEST/F96_CE/vmlinuz rw pmedia=atahd pfix=fsck psubdir=/TEST/F96_CE
  initrd /TEST/F96_CE/initrd.gz

title EasyOs
  find --set-root uuid () a88aa792-4102-4c12-995e-be63c61d300c
  kernel /easyos/vmlinuz  rw wkg_uuid=a88aa792-4102-4c12-995e-be63c61d300c wkg_dir=/easyos/
  initrd /easyos/initrd

[rockedge]

These are all RAM2 mode boot stanza's. Might try it in normal RAM mode by removing the w_changes= parameter

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title KLA-OT2base
  find --set-root uuid () a88aa792-4102-4c12-995e-be63c61d300c
  kernel /KLA-OT2base/vmlinuz w_bootfrom=UUID=a88aa792-4102-4c12-995e-be63c61d300c=/KLA-OT2base w_changes=RAM2
  initrd /KLA-OT2base/initrd.gz

Can you try this version?

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title KLA-OT2base
  uuid a88aa792-4102-4c12-995e-be63c61d300c
  kernel /KLA-OT2base/vmlinuz w_bootfrom=UUID=a88aa792-4102-4c12-995e-be63c61d300c=/KLA-OT2base 
  initrd /KLA-OT2base/initrd.gz

[dcung]

Can you try this version?

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title KLA-OT2base
  uuid a88aa792-4102-4c12-995e-be63c61d300c
  kernel /KLA-OT2base/vmlinuz w_bootfrom=UUID=a88aa792-4102-4c12-995e-be63c61d300c=/KLA-OT2base 
  initrd /KLA-OT2base/initrd.gz

Tried this. Still booting delay.

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title KLA-OT2base
  uuid a88aa792-4102-4c12-995e-be63c61d300c
  kernel /KLA-OT2base/vmlinuz w_bootfrom=UUID=a88aa792-4102-4c12-995e-be63c61d300c=/KLA-OT2base
  initrd /KLA-OT2base/initrd.gz

title KLU-jam-XFCEbase
  uuid a88aa792-4102-4c12-995e-be63c61d300c
  kernel /KLU-jam-XFCEbase/vmlinuz w_bootfrom=UUID=a88aa792-4102-4c12-995e-be63c61d300c=/KLU-jam-XFCEbase edd=off
  initrd /KLU-jam-XFCEbase/initrd.gz

[rockedge]

During the course of experimenting with KL builds I've run across the boot delay as well. NTFS partitions seemed involved sometimes. It is definitly looking for some devices or location and probably eventually times out. We will have to examine for the causes further in depth.

[dcung]

It's not a problem for me. I just thought to report it, in case some parameters that need to be specified or something.

Now I put KL stuff on laptop that has no Windows when I want to get more familiar with KL.

[Clarity]

Question
Are there any KLs that do NOT use GRUB4DOS at all to boot? Looking for a KL that only uses GRUB2 to boot.

This request is NOT a discomfort with GRUB4DOS. I am looking for one that I can test a hypothesis of problems seen in the past. Nothing more.

Curious

[wiak]

Some of my laptops multi-boot to Windows 10 and frugal install of various distros, i.e. multi partitions SSD (I tried it on 2 such laptops). And on those, I experienced booting delay (any KLx). It 'paused' for about 30 secs. I don't think EDD is the issue, I tried it EDD on/off - same thing.

All laptops used are older type - Core2Duo generation T8300, T7500, etc, 4GB RAM . 2 x Dell D630, 1 x Toshiba Satellite, 1 x Toshiba Tecra M5.
All laptops used are using grub4dos MBR.

My laptops, both old Core2duo HP and pretty modern HP machines include windows (old ones with Win7 and newer with Win10) but I don't get any unexpected boot delay. Most KLs like KLAxfce and KLUjam are very fast booting for me. So sorry I can't confirm the issue or know what might be causing it. May be the kernel used, but I'm just guessing with no logical reasoning behind that idea.

I am always using Grub2, however. Don't know therefore if that does make a difference - I'd be surprised, but you never know...

Actually, if you have a recent usrlib style Puppy Linux booting without delay on your machine, I do suggest you use its vmlinuz, zdrv (renamed to 00.sfs) and fdrv (renamed to 01.sfs) and swap that kernel in to your frugal install instead of default provided one - just in case that solves the issue in one fell swoop. I really doubt anything to do with grub4dos. Problem would then be if Puppy huge kernel was aufs inbuilt only: can still be made to boot though if overlay a module: then you'd have to add to grub kernel line this parameter: w_00modules=usrlib
That argument forces the FR initrd to temporarily mount the 00modules sfs to load the overlay module... but all of 00modules and 01firmware must already be in usrlib arrangement since that's what all new distros released by KL expect.

[wiak]

Question
Are there any KLs that do NOT use GRUB4DOS at all to boot? Looking for a KL that only uses GRUB2 to boot.

This request is NOT a discomfort with GRUB4DOS. I am looking for one that I can test a hypothesis of problems seen in the past. Nothing more.

Curious

You are confusing the issue, Clarity; we are talking about normal frugal install boots here - I only use grub2 for that. ISO booting is a different matter altogether - the iso uses isolinux, which calls up grub4dos on bare metal. But normal frugal installs don't use these internal to iso mechanisms at all.