Norton says we're all right here

[Grey]

"You are safe," Norton Safe Web is sure
I watched the result for FantasyAnime and for interest I looked at the result for the forum.
https://safeweb.norton.com/report/show? ... ylinux.com

[greengeek]

[user1111]

Validity of its interpretation of safe/secure is questionable when it also flags google.com as being "you're ok/safe".

[Grey]

Validity of its interpretation of safe/secure is questionable when it also flags google.com as being "you're ok/safe".

Well, even realists sometimes have to force themselves to relax and believe that everything is fine by the power of autosuggestion and hope

It is better of course to go fishing and calm our nerves there (I have a river 50 meters from home) But I also use alternative methods

[user1111]

Validity of its interpretation of safe/secure is questionable when it also flags google.com as being "you're ok/safe".

Well, even realists sometimes have to force themselves to relax and believe that everything is fine by the power of autosuggestion and hope

It is better of course to go fishing and calm our nerves there (I have a river 50 meters from home) But I also use alternative methods

Baby killers/carpet bombers can go drown themselves in their local river as a means to relax for all I care.

[Grey]

Baby killers/carpet bombers can go drown themselves in their local river as a means to relax for all I care.

Unfortunately, you love some children, but hate others. Therefore, when our spiritual essences separate from our mortal sinful bodies, then we will sail in the same boat on the same river. Perhaps it will be the River Styx.

Let's agree like this... I take the beer, and you take the snack Don't forget to take the oars. We'll take turns rowing

[backi]

@Grey :

[user1111]

Ah, how quaint, a couple that are exhibitionists that clearly adhere to/long for the old Soviet days. Back to the 20th/19th century and where they're watched all the time and where each life is inexpensive/trivial. Carpet bombing civilians seen as a valid tactic, come to that throwing tens of thousands of their own peoples lives away being considered irrelevant.

Hitler, Putin - no difference, yet Putin oddly suggests he dislikes Nazi's whilst favouring their civilian extermination practices. Cowards I guess, too scared to take on other militia directly, much more prefer just shooting at the unarmed defenceless.

[Grey]

the old Soviet days. Back to the 20th/19th century

You have very narrow judgments. You repeat like a spell "USSR, Nazism, carpet bombing, blah blah blah". With such bombings, Putin would have defeated everyone long ago. You'd better ask your government how they hope to extinguish the conflict with a bunch of heavy weapons. After that, we can talk about bloodlust and who has angelic wings behind his back wider and whiter. By the way, do not forget to write a letter to the Embassy of Ukraine and ask why they do not consider residents of the East and South of their country as people, but perceive them as dirt that needs to be cleaned.

[backi]

@rufwoof wrote :

Baby killers/carpet bombers can go drown themselves in their local river as a means to relax for all I care.

These are heavy Accusations against a Forum Member obviously from Russia.......this is a really bad Case of "Hate-Speech".
I feel deeply appalled/disgusted.
This is the most idiotic Rant i have ever seen on this Forum.

What`s wrong with you Guy?

[Grey]

These are heavy Accusations

Don't get upset. Personally, I'm not upset or offended. Think of all this as reasoning about the meaninglessness of being and the boundlessness of the universe

[mikewalsh]

Ease on down, guys. This is merely a computer forum, not a place where we look to put the world to rights.....

And how on earth does a topic about web-security so quickly get subverted into a rant about Russia.....hm?

Mike.

[Grey]

And how on earth does a topic about web-security so quickly get subverted

Perhaps the inscription Location under the avatar acts on some users like a red rag on a bull I won't edit the profile yet, but maybe I will have to sometime.
If this happens, I will ask you to name me some nice cozy town in England... I will indicate it in my profile

[rockedge]

come to that throwing tens of thousands of their own peoples lives away being considered irrelevant.

You seem to be missing the cold hard facts........no one is innocent......and EVERY one has their own cross to bear.

You are British? Plenty there to point out, long history of war and colonization.....no sympathy lost there... over the top boys!
Maybe Australian....ought to ask the Aborigines or review the results of Gallipoli
American? that list is LONG....shit we kill our own even in the off hours..no problems it's the 2nd amendment. Innocents die daily under the Sun here in Ami Land..thoughts and prayers......
Can point out pure genocide and slavery after that all day long.......lots of history there...imagine the injustices.....but let's blame the Europeans.......
German? 0-2.....body count in the millions on 3 fronts and many lands.....

name some people....I'm sure we can dig up an atrocity or two on their behalf

[dogcat]

Has anyone watched any good TV programming lately?

There was a woman that lived in our neighborhood where I grew up, she started shooting at children across the street, they were playing baseball. The police were called, one police officer got in a struggle with the woman and was shot and died. At her trial she claimed to receive messages through her TV set when watching "Secret Squares", not convicted, she was locked in a mental institution, eventually released to her niece after many years. The woman was a retired Major from US Army, Fort Sheridan.

Moral of the story, be careful of what you watch on TV, the brainwashing methods have improved since the 1970's when this happened.

[williwaw]

Moral of the story, be careful of what you watch on TV, the brainwashing methods have improved since the 1970's when this happened.

In the sixties, the TV in the west often harped on how, "The Soviets have a Constitution and elections but it's all a farce because one party makes all the decisions."

The unspoken assumption of course, was, "It's certainly different here"

[Grey]

the brainwashing methods have improved since the 1970's when this happened.

In the sixties,

Eh, the 60s or 70s are still normal. When I'm in the mood, I can tell you how in 90-91 (the strongest crisis), people charged water (made it curative ) from TV screens during sessions of two different "psychics". And this is in a country that was considered "the most book-reading"

I think the tendency to believe in TV and all sorts of mind-distracting things will never disappear, especially during all sorts of crises.

[wiak]

You seem to be missing the cold hard facts........no one is innocent......and EVERY one has their own cross to bear
...
name some people....I'm sure we can dig up an atrocity or two on their behalf

That's absolutely the case so no point anyone ever pointing fingers in that sense. However, it would be a very terrible thing if the disgraceful history of all of our countries was used to normalise the atrocities of war. Rather, history should be a lesson, along these lines of 'never again', an acceptance that violence against others is always wrong and should no longer be tolerated ever by any of us. i.e. history is no excuse and certainly shouldn't be used to justify present or future behaviours.

The other matter is that, even if they felt like protesting about war, state-led violence (by anyone or any side), and so on, far from everyone can safely do so. No matter what country we are citizens or residents of, there is always a greater or lesser risk of protesting about the actions/behaviour of our own governments. In some countries the simple act of protesting could result in a fine, prison or worse - even death, and whilst citizens of the West tend to believe they have freedom of speech, really that notion is an illusion and probably less true than it has been for decades. Better we avoid politics on this forum, really - we can't change anything here, and whilst this forum obviously also performs a social function, these 'world issues' are divisive rather than community-building. Even if it takes decades, one day every war ends or becomes somewhat stable eventually and we then discuss it only as 'history' and try to have as good relations with our neighbours as possible. Aggressive actions and atrocities are difficult to forget or forgive (even when the generations involved at the time have long passed away), Germany still suffers from that legacy as do the Japanese. Nothing we can do about that except move on and hopefully with at least the lesson learned that harming others (or indeed other species) is never a route to success or better life or indeed national pride. Good that Hitler and Stalin are gone, and some of the British and US leaders that benefited from slavery and colonialism and war more generally - there should be no statues for people like that - rather their names should be erased from the registry of being human - their ancestors are left with the burden of their guilt - that much is inevitable. One of these arrogant idiots might cause a war that destroys us all in the end unfortunately. Not much difference between someone in power ordering their military to bomb cities where, of course, ordinary people, men, women and children, live their simple daily lives as human beings - not much difference between that and some stupid schoolboy or nutcase adult buying a gun and walking into a school to shoot the kids there. As long as they have the weapons, some idiots amongst them will always use them to harm others. Anyone that adopts such behaviour should be immediately locked up and the key thrown away - not fit to be part of human society like alone a 'leader'. That should always have been the case throughout history - it didn't happen - it should now. That should be the main point of any military, to defend against aggressors, including those identified as aggressors in the country of that military. No leader would have any power to hurt others if the role of the military was to prevent anyone from being aggressive, and of course no-one elected or somehow in power as a leader should be allowed to use that position to harm others - there really is no such thing as countries - only planet Earth and all of us living on it.

[Grey]

Rather, history should be a lesson,

rather their names should be erased from the registry of being human

Hello. Sorry, but mutually exclusive paragraphs. Learn history, but cut out "inconvenient" moments from it.

I asked my teacher a long time ago, well, how is it that we have to learn from the mistakes of the past... but the whole story repeats itself and goes in circles? She replied that it was just a beautiful expression - "to learn from the mistakes of history" - and each generation is sure that it is smarter than the previous ones, although it is not. And then she added that if I continue to be too smart and ask idiotic questions, I will wash the whole classroom alone

[wiak]

Rather, history should be a lesson,

rather their names should be erased from the registry of being human

Hello. Sorry, but mutually exclusive paragraphs. Learn history, but cut out "inconvenient" moments from it.

Well, yes, mutually exclusive in the way you describe it. But my point was not to forget about the history of what happened - that cannot be erased by any of us, but rather, to get rid of the statues, the 'fame', that perpetrators of violence aspire towards - they want to be 'remembered' in that remembered history. I say they no longer have the right even to exist now or in memory. They are worthless humans whose names should be erased and forgotten - they don't deserve a name to remember.

[Grey]

@wiak I understand your impulses. But let's admit that the population of ANY country loves violence. Action movies on TV, children playing "war" with toy weapons, hunting animals (not for food) and so on.

By the way, about the monuments to the leaders. Recently I was visiting my friend, a 70-year-old electrician who helped me fix the wiring recently. I went into his yard and almost fell to the ground from surprise There is a HUGE Lenin's head in his yard. It turned out that it was a statue from one of the former Soviet Houses of Culture. To the question "what the hell?!" I got an answer that you can "make money" with this thing More recently, the future businessman took the statue out on a truck with a crane, from a building that was undergoing repairs. The workers there said... take it, we don't care

In Moscow, they earn money on such statues, it's true. For example, Chinese tourists look at them. But in a private yard in a small town... I haven't figured out what the scheme is yet

[Clarity]

One of my frustration in my old age is the difference we have in technology.

Technology is created by mankind's creativity. In it, whether an industrial product like a vehicle, like in electronic circuitry, like in PC hardware, like in device software, we've erected systems to identify what went wrong and put in place resolutions for such. Further we maintain efforts (information, processes, documentation, etc) such that we study what went wrong and what was done to resolve in ways that these mistakes are not repeated/replicated ... in well-managed methods.

But, I am witnessing something that has been disturbing me forever..."if we know the benefits to do this in technology, why hasn't this transferred into our collective approach in 'human management'?"

Most everyone of us, knows the reason for teaching such that past mistakes in human behavior wont get repeated. But, it appears in our limited mental capacity humans are incapable of guidance such that 'broken' behavior wont get repeated.

I wish to the stars that we could develop to a point such that our specie could embrace the understandings in our behavior that we employ in technology for correcting problems.

Since Google's Home units (now Alexa, Siri, etc) provide near-instant factual information, I now wonder if this ability to enhance knowledge at our command could be extended to help our overall behavior to move to behavior improvements based upon the historical past facts.

But, as optimistic as I used to be; today, with my cumulative knowledge of witnessing and study of human habits suggest that controllers of power do NOT want basic humans to fix the flaws we have. Thus, we may never ever see an expansion to the fixes we desperately need.

Yet, somewhere deep down within, I wish that optimism which I have buried could resurface which some real directional answers...I can only hope others will find ways to reach all of us before its too late...or many it already is too late and I am too "stupid/naive/immature" to want to accept 'reality'.

[greengeek]

One of my frustration in my old age is the difference we have in technology.

Technology is created by mankind's creativity. In it, whether an industrial product like a vehicle, like in electronic circuitry, like in PC hardware, like in device software, we've erected systems to identify what went wrong and put in place resolutions for such. Further we maintain efforts (information, processes, documentation, etc) such that we study what went wrong and what was done to resolve in ways that these mistakes are not repeated/replicated ... in well-managed methods.

But, I am witnessing something that has been disturbing me forever..."if we know the benefits to do this in technology, why hasn't this transferred into our collective approach in 'human management'?"

As humans we have an inherent ability - actually an ''imperative" -- to reject external "management".
We exist as individuals whose value is determined by our individual choices - rather than by our responses to external direction (or "bullying" as it is more appropriately called ).
Conflict is usually based on one human entity attempting to pressurise another.

As humans we are given the job of dominating and controlling our natural environment but that does not include "managing" other adult humans. We are given this counsel: "Man dominates man to his injury". And that is how it is.

[user1111]

Ease on down, guys. This is merely a computer forum, not a place where we look to put the world to rights.....

And how on earth does a topic about web-security so quickly get subverted into a rant about Russia.....hm?

Mike.

Mike, much is that whilst the rest of the West express their disdain and support against the likes of Russian soldiers executing women and children to leave their booby-trapped bodies lying around, methods from prior millennia where in the modern world civilised combatants tend to follow more civilised guidelines ... In contrast this site supports such.

Would be best if Russian IP's were cut or otherwise Puppy by association might be considered as being supportive of Russia whereas other distros express their condemnation, and as such the site/forum is being opened up to being taken down potentially repeatedly/permanently and/or the distros repos being a target for distribution of harm.

[mikewalsh]

Ease on down, guys. This is merely a computer forum, not a place where we look to put the world to rights.....

And how on earth does a topic about web-security so quickly get subverted into a rant about Russia.....hm?

Mike.

Would be best if Russian IP's were cut or otherwise Puppy by association might be considered as being supportive of Russia whereas other distros express their condemnation, and as such the site/forum is being opened up to being taken down potentially repeatedly/permanently and/or the distros repos being a target for distribution of harm.

@rufwoof :-

So; let me get this straight.

You're advocating that the likes of Grey - who, through no fault of his own other than the fact of where he was born - should, for the duration of the "conflict", be banned from participating?

No. No, no, no. Hell, no.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but this community/forum was originally founded to bring people from all over the world together, based on a common love of a lightweight Linux distro. I'm sorry to say it, mate, but I refuse to ostracize certain members based purely on the fact of their country's leaders deciding to do things that the rest of the world frowns upon. 99 times out of 100, populaces disagree with their leadership.....and would openly do so, where it not for the very real possibility of disappearing in the middle of the night.

To the best of my knowledge, Grey has neither expressed rabidly pro-Putin sympathies, nor has he openly attacked him. I think he's shown admirable restraint thus far, and is in the unique position of having a better "view" of what's going on than anyone here in the West. Ours, as always, is highly coloured by what the media pump out.....many of whom, as always, have their own agendas.

I get the distinct impression that your viewpoint is based almost entirely on your own, unfortunately intimate personal experience of the "negative" aspects of the world-wide web. I think most of us will probably agree that such a malevolent side definitely does exist.....but I don't feel we should allow such attitudes to tar everyone with the same brush. It amounts to presuming everyone guilty, until proven innocent.....which is the complete opposite of what we in the West espouse & hold dear. If allowed to proliferate, you ultimately end up with a society where everybody is fearful & suspicious of everybody else.

Do we really want such a society for our offspring to grow up in?

I think we'll have to "agree to disagree" on this one.

Mike.

[Clarity]

... As humans we are given the job of dominating and controlling our natural environment but that does not include "managing" other adult humans. We are given this counsel: "Man dominates man to his injury". And that is how it is.

A question to everyone: "Is that the answer?" Accept it and repeatedly allow the same mistakes to be made over and over again. Or does our technological background provide a framework for human improvements going forward? I wonder ...

Post your answers, not to me, but to all who read this thread as I am hopeful any answer has a universal appeal, benefiting all.

[backi]

@mikewalsh :

For your Comment above

[xenial]

I stopped watching uk news broadcasts a year and a half ago and my life and views became so much more coherant and clear.

A russian has never done me any harm as have neither any race or creed.Blanket hate is not the way forward and stereotyping seems the norm.

I didn't want the uk going storming into afghanistan and neither did the majority of people in the uk but our government gave the wrong impression we did..i could go on but my point is made hopefully.

Just to add russia has given us some giants in music.the arts and literature.
oh and some bloody good chess players too.

[user1111]

OK, I clearly get the message of predominant support for Russia

I will retire from this board once rockedge has removed all my posts.

[rg66]

"You are safe," Norton Safe Web is sure
I watched the result for FantasyAnime and for interest I looked at the result for the forum.
https://safeweb.norton.com/report/show? ... ylinux.com

Back on topic, I checked the forum on a few more "website safety check" sites and all give a thumbs up. The forum is safe, unless your Russian apparently.