Problem on installing (booting) Puppy linux

[Ioan]

Hello
I have an old PC made from pieces ( Intel dual core E2160 , motherbord Biostar P4M90 -M7A) and I've tried to install puppy Linux (bionicpup 32 bit and xenialpup64) many times from usb but the booting stops and has this messages at the end :
....
"Kernel offset : disabled
Kernel panic -not syncing Vfs : unable to mount root sfs on unknown -block (2.0)"
or another time :
"Kernel offset disabled
---[end Kernel panic - not syncing : Fatal exception in interrupt "
or
" sdb1/xenialpup64-7.5.sfs mount of sfs failled .
Error is too critical, droping out to console ... "
or :
" Performing a switch root to the layered filesystem...
d stalls on Cpus/tasks
Tasks blocked on level -0 rcu mode (Cpus 0-3): P2709
(detected by 0, t=60002 jiffies , g=88, c=87, q=362) "
.... (and goes on with this message but different numbers )

On this pc it was before installed Windows 7 from torrent but now doesn't work .
I don't know if the pc is still worth fighting for but i want to save him .
For writing iso image i used Balenaetcher from another more older Pc which has Lubuntu installed .
I really need an advice but if possible not too technically .
Thanks

[mikeslr]

Puppys are designed to run as 'Frugal Installs", and that includes the way their ISOs are structured. [Basically, a Frugal Install has merely relocated the files which would otherwise have been written to a CD/DVD to a USB-Key or a Hard-drive*]. Most Linux applications, among them Balenaetcher, aren't designed to properly manage that. But unetbootin almost can. See this post especially regarding what edit you will have to make after unetbootin has written to the Key, viewtopic.php?p=6801#p6801, read the post which follows, and follow its link to bigpup's more expansive information.

There are other applications which can properly create a boot-able Puppy on a USB-Key which other replyers may mention. But AFAIK, Unetbootin is available to every version of Lubuntu so its employment may be the easiest way to proceed.

-=-=-=-=-
* See rockedge's post about How Puppy Linux Works, viewtopic.php?p=55827#p55827. The files and file-systems discussed there are those contained in the ISO and are written to the target medium by unetbootin.

[Ioan]

Thanks Mikeslr for the reply !
I've tried first Unetbootin but allways appears this message "You must first mount the USB drive /dev/sdb to a mountpoint ...."
So i gave up and tried Balenaetcher.
Now i wrote on usb Tahrpup 6.05 and worked on booting but got stuck on installing after i have created partition with Gparted . It asks for some missing filles with termination .gz .
Maybe you can give me a clue what to do

[williams2]

Kernel panic -not syncing

Kernel panic means "I can't do this, I give up"

Not syncing means the kernel was not trying to write to a block device, like a hard drive or usb drive.

Vfs : unable to mount root sfs
vfs is Virtual File System
Either xenialpup64-7.5.sfs is damaged (corruption of data)
or it can't find the file xenialpup64-7.5.sfs

I suspect it can't find the file.
You should have vmlinuz {the Linux kernel)
and initrd.gz (the initial ram drive)
and the sfs files, especially xenialpup64-7.5.sfs
all in the same place (your usb flash drive)

You might have bad ram memory.
That could cause both ms Windows and Linux to not boot.
I think Win 7 has a builtin memory tester.
Or there are Linux memory testers.

I think that probably Balenaetcher. installed to the master boot record and/or a partition boot record.
That would stop Win 7 from booting.
You should be able restore the master boot record
by pressing the Esc key or F6 or whatever the correct key is.
Then Win 7 should work again.

I do not have a boot loader on my Win drive.
I have the syslinux boot loader installed on a usb flash drive,
and vmlinuz and initrd.gz for each Pup that I have installed.
I plug in the usb drive to start Puppy, but I can unplug it after about 2 seconds.

usb Tahrpup 6.05 and worked on booting but got stuck on installing after i have created partition with Gparted

You do not need to repartition your drive.
You just need to copy xenialpup64-7.5.sfs to your hard drive ... done, Puppy is installed.
Now you need a boot loader.
But you already have a boot loader installed on your usb drive.

So now you can boot XenialPup any time you want, just plug in the usb drive and boot it.
If you want Puppy to keep the changes you make just say yes when it asks if you want to create a save file. You only need to create a save file once.
That's more or less how i run Puppy.

[bigpup]

I've tried first Unetbootin but allways appears this message "You must first mount the USB drive /dev/sdb to a mountpoint ...."

I assume you are trying to run Unetbootin in Lubuntu.
Should be something in Lubuntu that will mount/unmount drives.

Usually it is setup to auto-mount USB drives when you plug them in.
But this may not be set in the Lubuntu settings.

How do I mount a USB in lubuntu?
Manually Mount a USB Drive
1. Press Ctrl + Alt + T to run Terminal.
2. Enter sudo mkdir /media/usb to create a mount point called usb.
3. Enter sudo fdisk -l to look for the USB drive already plugged in, let's say the drive you want to mount is /dev/sdb1 .
4. To mount a USB drive formatted with FAT16 or FAT32 system, enter:

sudo mount -t vfat /dev/sdb1 /media/usb -o uid=1000,gid=100,utf8,dmask=027,fmask=137

OR, To mount a USB drive formatted with NTFS system, enter:

sudo mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sdb1 /media/usb

To unmount it, just enter sudo umount /media/usb in the Terminal.

[wizard]

@Ioan

Your systems age and having MS Windows 7 installed would suggest it is using legacy MBR boot. So, read these two topics on tested methods that work:

viewtopic.php?t=5192
viewtopic.php?t=5241

You'll find these and more useful info in the "Getting Started and System Requirements" section on the main forum page.

wizard

[Ioan]

Thank you guys for reply and solutions ,
I managed to get a bootable usb made with a puppy Linux app ( something Bootable USB creator ) and it is good for booting on Lubuntu pc , but when i've run in the other pc , didn't worked .
I know that the usb was good written , but something on this pc doesn't accept new versions of puppy linux , only Tahrpup and this with missing filles .
I will still try the solutions i have received from you .
Lubuntu has a built-in app disk creator but doesn't write the iso (after 15 minutes of waiting shows 0.0% progress in writing iso image) . I've tried many times .
I have tried the mounting from terminal with formating and all the steps but Unetbootin still shows the message that is not mounted . I will try again with commands from bigpup , to be sure .
Williams2 i'm not sure i understand :
You said to put the sfs folders of xenialpup64_7.5 , vmlinuz and initrd.gz (which i assume they are on xenialpup iso image folder) - all on usb , without burning the iso image .
Then boot the usb and After 2 seconds from starting puppy linux , you unplug usb .Than copy xenialpup64-7.5.sfs to hard drive .
But assuming that i can boot the usb without a burned iso image , how you copy xenialpup64-7.5.sfs to hard drive when you unplugged the usb ?

[Ioan]

I have checked on terminal and the usb is formated and mounted . It has the correct linux burned inside .
Unetbootin still shos the message dev/sdb2 not mounted
Tough this usb is bootable on lubuntu pc

[mikeslr]

Other computers may require boot-loaders which can manage booting from a computer employing the UEFI system. Tahrpup was published before that requirement and does not have an application to create a boot-UEFI-compliant USB-Key. But you've overcome the main hurdle: a boot-able Puppy, albeit, Tahrpup.

The following should work: Install grub2config-2.0.1 viewtopic.php?p=29703#p29703 into your tarpup. Restart-X to make sure that tahrpup recognizes it presence. [A reboot Saving to your SaveFile/Folder might be better].

Plug in a 2nd USB-Key. Note the label of the desktop-drive icon which has just appeared over the Taskbar. It is probably sdc1: which means drive c, partition 1. Open Menu>System>gparted and select the USB-Key with that label, sdc [gparted works with drives, not partitions] . BE CAREFUL. gparted is going to reformat the drive you select so everything currently on that drive will be lost.

Follow the recipe started here, viewtopic.php?t=375 and continued here, viewtopic.php?p=46867#p46867.

The first part provides instructions on formatting the Key. The 2nd Part concludes those instructions; then explains how to locate ANY puppy's system files on the reformatted Key and use grub2config to create a boot-loader.

Creating a 2nd USB-Key may seem an unnecessary step if you are trying to install Puppy to a computer's Hard-Drive. But it is recommended for the reason that it involves writing a boot-loader. Grub2config will automatically find and create on the drive you've select 'menu-listings' for Puppy, Windows and AFAIK almost all operating systems already on a computer's hard-drive. It will replace any boot-loader on the drive selected. If you select the hard-drive and for any reason the Puppy you chose doesn't (completely) function, you've wasted your time while jeopardizing the functioning system you already have. Creating a Puppy-on-a-USB Key as an intermediate step avoids any risk to your current system and enables you to test how well the Puppy you chose and Grub2config functions before committing to both.

[Ioan]

Thanks mikeslr
I downloaded grub2config from link but the pc alerts me that this file can harm my computer.
Anyway my head spins . I read all the pages but i partially understand it , because i don't know this tech stuff .
Grub2config should be installed on usb and how ?
Do i nead frugalinstaller ? I just want to install ( correctly boot) only tahrpup .
On creating of second usb i don't fully understand it . I will rather try with first usb .
I can acces another pc with puppy linux , maybe this can ease things .
I'm thinking giving up because i've tried too many times with no result .
Thanks

[Ioan]

Actually i've tried and succeed to put on usb grub4dos bootloader and ventoy bootloader with iso on it .
I've installed Grub4dos with an in-built puppy linux program - something like bootloader usb installer .
It worked on lubuntu pc , but again doesn't work on the pc i want .
When i boot it , doesn't appear any loading image , is just frozen on the image with boot menu ( press F8 to enable system configuration, press F9 to select booting device ...)
Probably even i would install grub2config on usb , the problem will be the same .

[bigpup]

To make sure.
You are trying to boot a Puppy version installed on a USB drive?

You know for sure this computer has ability to boot from USB?

Boot to the computers bios setup.
Look for a setting to set it to default settings.
Example:
Load Optimized Defaults

Now with all the bios settings set to default.

Also look for any setting about enable/disable USB booting.
Well, enable it if you find one.

Adjust the boot device order to 1st one USB.

Exit bios setup selecting to save changes.

You indicate at bootup you can select to show a boot device selection menu.
What does it have for USB devices?

[Ioan]

Thank you bigpup ,
Yes i want to boot from usb drive any Puppy version that will work .
I've tried some new versions until i found Tahrpup version which shows the puppy linux desktop .
But on the desktop doesn't appear the image desktop (something like a puppy in the background) and when i try to install it through Universal installer , after partitioning with Gparted , the sistems tell that are some missing files : vmlinuz , initrd.gz and sfs files .
The pc booting is loading from usb .
I'm afraid to set Bios at the default settings because it might mess the things up , and already boots from usb .
If you think it might work i could give it a try

[mikeslr]

Thanks mikeslr
I downloaded grub2config from link but the pc alerts me that this file can harm my computer.
Anyway my head spins . I read all the pages but i partially understand it , because i don't know this tech stuff .
Grub2config should be installed on usb and how ?
Do i nead frugalinstaller ? I just want to install ( correctly boot) only tahrpup .
On creating of second usb i don't fully understand it . I will rather try with first usb .
I can acces another pc with puppy linux , maybe this can ease things .
I'm thinking giving up because i've tried too many times with no result .
Thanks

No you don’t have to install frugal-installer.

A pet is a package which when deployed creates an application in an operating system. Only Puppys and a few Puppy-Like Linux Operating systems can deploy it. If not deployed, a pet just occupies space. Any application can 'harm your computer.' A good example is the program which ‘upgraded’ Windows beyond Windows 7.

In the grand scheme of things while Windows has about an 80% share of the personal computing market with Mac and Chrome grabbing about another 15%, the entire 6,000+ members of the Puppy Linux family of operating systems (all slightly different) are currently the 27th most popular distro (per DistroWatch) of the remaining 5%. It's just not a 'rich target' for malcontents.

Computers and their applications are idiots operating at the speed of light. The grub2config.pet is recognized it as a ‘pet’ by its suffix. Some application was written to generate a warning when that suffix appears. Any program or application which changes what your computer can do can harm your computer if you don’t know what it does or it does something it’s not supposed to do.

grub2config was created by a reputable and trusted dev and is located on reputable storage. It is packaged as a pet. Pets employ tar.gz compression so can't easily be modified during transmission. It was published 9 months ago and has generated 12 pages of discussion; none of which suggest that it does anything other than what it was created to do: install a boot-loader.

The one thing grub2config does --and does well-- is create a boot-loader. Only one primary boot-loader can be installed to a computer’s hard drive. [A primary boot-loader can ‘chain-load’ other boot-loaders; but chain-loading only works if the primary functions]. grub2config is constructed to be a primary boot-loader: if written to a hard-drive it modifies Bios to use it rather than any other boot-loader. But where you install it is ‘user selectable’.

My recipe would have you install grub2config to a USB-Key. The worst thing that could happen is that it didn’t work. Unplugging the Key and rebooting the computer would overcome that.

We don’t know why you’re having difficulty. I speculated that the problem may be that your computer –whatever else it may have-- might have been constructed use the UEFI boot-mechanism. The grub4dos boot-loader employed by tahrpup can’t manage that. It was written by shinobar a dozen or so years ago. He wrote grub2config as its replacement. It can boot operating systems on computer which employ UEFI and those which don’t.

grub2config can only be installed into a Puppy. The Puppy you have is tahrpup. So I advised that you install grub2config into your tahrpup. You boot tahrpup from a USB-Key. You could run grub2config and install it to the USB-Key it is running from. [Requires that there be NO SaveFile/Folder so that after boot-up the USB-Key isn’t mounted]. But if it doesn’t work you would not be able to boot from that Key. So I advised to set up a 2nd USB-Key.
Short version of the long-winded recipe, modified for tarhpup-6.0.5
Boot into tahrpup on the first USB-Key. Install grub2config.
Plug in a 2nd USB-Key.
Use gparted to structure the 2nd USB-Key: small (150 Mbs) 1st partition formatted as Fat32. The rest of the Key formatted as Linux Ext3.
Copy tahrpup’s system files to the 2nd partition. Tahrpup’s system files consist of initrd.gz; vmlinuz, puppy_tahr_6.0.5.sfs and zdrv_tahr_6.0.5.sfs.
Run Menu>Setup>Grub2 bootloader.
Select the 2nd Key as the location to which it is to be installed. It will find tarhpup on the 2nd partition, write the boot-loader to the 1st and generate a 'menu' which will appear if you boot from that Key.

If the problem persists when booting from the 2nd Key:
(a) Please advise us of all the operating systems you have access to on all the computers you have access to. There are other boot-loaders which could be tried. But not all run under Puppys or all operating systems.
(b) Install Pup-SysInfo into tahrpup. viewtopic.php?t=3557 Pup-SysInfo is a suite of tools called from a GUI which can identify (among other things) the hardware components of the computer it runs from. Maybe it will help use figure out what creates the problem.
(c) Maybe someone else knows how to capture the output being generated as your ‘other computer’ attempts to boot.

[bigpup]

i found Tahrpup version which shows the puppy linux desktop .
But on the desktop doesn't appear the image desktop (something like a puppy in the background)

Some Puppy versions boot to a working desktop and there is noting on the desktop to identify what Puppy it is.
Usually the desktop is just some image.
As long as you can do stuff from the desktop, it is good and is working.

i try to install it through Universal installer , after partitioning with Gparted , the sistems tell that are some missing files : vmlinuz , initrd.gz and sfs files .

You have to be very specific with details, so we understand what you are trying to do.
Is this saying you are trying to install to the computers internal drive?
Trying to install to another USB?

Universal installer offers a lot of options.
You could just be doing the wrong one.
Need specific details on exactly what you do using the Universal Installer?

[Ioan]

Thank you guys ,
I really appreciate mikeslr that you don't gave up and explained me in detail the steps .
I will do this tomorrow because i don't have a second usb and i have to buy .
I will tell later if will work .

Bigpup thanks for still trying to help .
I want to use puppy for browsing (only for a single pc ) , but i assume the problem with missing files won't allow to make the internet connection but i didn't tried .
Another smaller problem is that sometimes doesn't boot so i have to reboot until works .
I want to install on hard drive , but i don't mind if it can be installed on Usb as long the internet will work .

[Ioan]

Thank you very much !
I solved half the problem . I've installed tahrpup but no internet connection .

I have installed on the other pc grub2config 2.01 and 1.9.9 but couldn't install on usb .
I've tried everything with grub2config but it didn't worked on usb .

Then i've tried again to install Tahrpup through usb on the empty pc .
After some booting failures , the desktop appeared . I've tried again to acces Universal installer and to install on hard drive. Again appeared that message with missing files .
So i've tried again the same thing and appeared the window with Frugal or Full install .
I've choosed full install . Then the window with grub4dos appeared and i've installed it .
After reboot appeared in Bios the menu of grub4dos . I've choosed Tahrpup . After 3 times of failures , the desktop appeared . I have tried to set the internet connection but after some minutes system crashed .
The solution was so simple : i've copied the sfs files , vmlinuz and initrd.gz on usb from other pc , then i've accesed (opened them) in the pc i wanted . The sfs files have installed right away (again with some missing files , but didn't mind). Vmlinuz and initrd.gz didn't helped at all .
Now tahrpup it loads without failures (i hope to stay that way) .

But i have a problem with internet connection (i have wired internet) .

Then i went to "Internet connection wizard "- Wired or wireless Lan - Network wizard - interface eth0 - Auto dhcp - Network successful ". But no internet .
Here are some links with the photos iv've made at "IP Info -network information" :
https://ibb.co/3vfmsfj
https://ibb.co/x5nnhDB
https://ibb.co/r2VrrGH
https://ibb.co/cC9Z1vz
https://ibb.co/FKcnNgr

If possible please give a solution or an advice .

I just want to say just 3 things wich i know it helped me (halfway but still) and certainly will help others :
Pray to God .
Make a donation or help somebody from hart .( this somebody can be me )
Take a walk preferably in nature and think about the problem . You will find a solution or a way of solving .

For me it helped not just once .

Thanks guys !

[bigpup]

Network wizard - interface eth0 - Auto dhcp - Network successful ".

That says what the Ethernet cable is plugged into is getting connected.

You are positive the service providing Internet is up and working?

Having to download the Puppy version ISO over the Internet.
Sometimes the download is not 100% good.

I have seen issues fixed by doing a fresh download of the ISO and using it to do the install.
If you download the ISO to a location that has a fragmented file system, that will cause the ISO to be fragmented.
ntfs, or fat 32 formats can fragment over time, especially if used by Windows OS.
Windows OS has chckdsk and defrag programs that can check and UN-fragment these formats.

Also, it is best if you can do the install to a partition on the drive that is freshly made.
A fresh clean partition and format of the drive, can clear out all kinds of stuff, that could cause errors.

[Ioan]

Thanks bigpup for the reply ,
The cable is working . I use it to another pc too .

So from what i understand - a solution could be to copy iso file in a usb that is formated fat32 or ntfs , and than to boot it
This may lose all the set up i was hardly do it and landing back with the same issues i'ved begin
The technical solutions are way beyond me .

I have succed to install grub2config on second usb but again the bios was frozen .
I have partially succed to install grub2config on pc by copying the grub2config 2.01 pet on usb and install it . But when using it alerts that is a missing file efibootmgr .

[Ioan]

I have succed to connect :
In terminal (in tahrpup is named console and is located on desktop) : pppoe-setup
Terminal asks your username : username from internet provider
Interface (default eth0) : push enter
Enter the demand value (default no) : push enter
Dns.. Enter the Dns information here : opendns.com
Enter the secondary dns server address here : push enter
Password : (type the password even if doesn't appear nothing on screen)
Please re-enter your password: again password
Chose a type of firewall (0-2) : 1
Accept this settings ... (y/n) : y

And now you are connected . This is the set up for Roaring penguin pppoe-setup . ( I found it on forums) .

Palemoon page appeared but don't let you acces any and appeared this writing "This connection is untrusted" push the last link on the page ( i forgot the name) appear another link which sais something " make an exception" -push it .
Go in palemoon browser -:edit - preferences - general - home page : http://google.com
Restart browser and now should work .

Now palemoon doesn't allow me to download google chrome . Here i am blocked .
Please some help if possible .
Thanks

[bigpup]

What exact version of Tahrpup?
What is the complete exact name of the Tahrpup ISO?

About This connection is untrusted.

Is the correct date and time set in the computer?

When you get Tahrpup booted to working desktop.

menu -> desktop -> set date and time

When you get it set correctly.
The correct date and time should be displayed on the right side of the desktop tray.

Is Pale Moon browser now working correctly to display web pages?
No longer giving error This connection is untrusted?

[mikeslr]

Please download the latest versions of PupSysInfo, viewtopic.php?p=32266#p32266 and ListDD (Dynamic Dependencies), viewtopic.php?p=32260#p32260. Then copy them where tahrpup can find them. Left-Click these pets will install them.

PupSysInfo is a suite of tools which, among other things, tells what hard-ware components your computer has. ListDD is a tool for determining what dependencies needed by applications are on, or lacking from, your operating system.

Until we know what your 'home-built' computer is made of and what applications need but can't find we are just guessing what has to be done to obtain a functioning system.

Before I forget --or loose the link again-- firmware can be obtained from this thread, viewtopic.php?p=35356#p35356 and here, viewtopic.php?p=51777#p51777. For your operating system to use hardware it requires both the drivers and firmware for that hardware. Drivers must be compiled against and for the specific kernel (vmlinuz) employed by your Puppy. But firmware does not so any firmware package is fine as long as it contains the firmware for your computers hardware.
Josh Boyer --the first link-- publishes firmware as a tar.gz. To use it you have to extract it and copy its contents to the appropriate location in your 'full install'. I believe that will be /usr/lib/firmware.

peebee packages firmware as a fdrv.sfs. Your 'full install' can't load SFSes. What you can do is LEFT-CLICK an SFS and select "Install" on the GUI that will appear.

[Ioan]

Thank you guys ,
The palemoon worked after setting time but couldn't load youtube .
Then i've made a mistake and updated the system with an app ( quickpet ) and now doesn't load .
I have tried many times .
So i give up . No turning back .
Palemoon can not even load youtube .
So many time spend for a browser that will not even do a small thing like this .
And i've tried to install chrome , firefox , chromium , seamonkey , opera , vivaldi ... and didn't worked .

I really appreciate all your efforts .
Maybe it will help semebody else .
I'm not sorry because i've learned some new things .

Thank you Mikeslr that you stood for me and explained all the small stuff .
I know it took you some time and again i appreciate your effort .

Thank you Bigpup for not letting me and helped me .

Probably i will come back with other problem in the future .

I wish you all the best !

[bigpup]

The palemoon worked after setting time but couldn't load youtube .

So what happens when you try to load Youtube?

Updating the Tahrpup OS using Quickpet -> Info -> Tahrpup updates should work.
Tahrpup should still boot OK.

What exactly happens???

[Ioan]

The YouTube page was loading but was no videos inside .
The Quickpet updating has caused the system to crash .
Tahrpup doesn't load anymore .
But i suspect that the pc may be the fault.
He has crashes on window too .
Anyway for me it's enough .
Thank you !

[Ioan]

Hello guys ,
I have decided to give one more try .
I have installed tahrpup again and now is more stabile , doesn't crash so much
I installed again and after saving i accesed bugfix - appeared quickpet - i hit update , and after that i've installed sfs (the missing filles from the iso file ) by selecting it , right click , sfs_load .
Now is working acceptable .
But i don't have a browser which can play video . I have installed through quickpet and Puppy package manager chromium (installed but doesnt open browser) , seamonkey (installed but doesn't open the browser) Mozilla
If possible please some help .
Thanks

[BologneChe]

@Ioan
Try this version of Palemoon : viewtopic.php?t=709

[Ioan]

Thank you, but it doesn't work .
Can not install.

[mikeslr]

When you can only tell us something is wrong, you’ve presented us with a mystery.

Do you remember the Sherlock Holmes’ movie when on entering the scene of the crime he says to Dr. Watson, “My dear fellow, would you kindly go back to the carriage? I forget my case and will need my magnifying glass and finger-print kit.”

My post here, viewtopic.php?p=56560#p56560 asked you to bring our diagnostic tools to the scene of the crime.

PupSysInfo is a suite of tools which, among other things, tells what hard-ware components your computer has. Think of it as our magnifying glass. ListDD is a tool for determining what dependencies needed by applications are on, or lacking from, your operating system. Think of it as our finger-print kit: a tool for determining who was or wasn’t present.

TBH, I was relieved when you indicated you were giving up. That concealed a fundamental mistake I made in not insisting that we get to the bottom of why Puppys other than tahrpup could not be booted to desktop. It is questionable that tahrpup will provide satisfactory internet performance.

Forget about any Web-browser other than seamonkey, firefox and palemoon. Tahrpup does not contain the libraries required by recent Chromium, Google-Chrome and other web-browsers which are built from Chromium. Installing those libraries into Tahrpup will break Tahrpup. Google owns youtube and now insists that only very recent web-browsers will be granted access. Hence, the three I mentioned.

My computer is not set up to boot tahrpup. But it is set up to run several versions of xenialpup. Forgetting that you may be running the 64-bit version of Tahrpup, I booted into a 32-bit version of xenialpup. From it I was able to watch youtube videos with sound using either palemoon-portable or firefox-portable.

It may be possible to do the same running tahrpup. Consider the following a diagnostic examination rather than the operation to fix things. Recently, I’ve notice that both palemoon and seamonkey didn’t always provide satisfactory performance with youtube. So, try firefox first.

Follow the instructions here, viewtopic.php?p=56545#p56545. Basically, the instructions setup firefox-portable, then uses ListDD to find out what an operating system lacks in order for it to run that application. Note what I wrote in that post: if you need a newer version of glibc, you’ve out of luck. Other missing dependencies can be installed.

BUT FIRST. We never did get to the root of why you had problems getting other Puppys to boot. I can’t think of anything obvious which prevents xenialpup from running on a system that can run tahrpup. The major difference between them is that xenialpup employs newer glibc libraries than tahrpup. glibc is not something hardware has problems with.

If you picture building an operating system ‘from the ground up’, a computer and its hardware are ‘the ground’. A kernel (and drivers compiled for that kernel) are the first floor: they are what are necessary to communicate with your hardware. glibc is on the 2nd floor: it is one of the links between the kernel and applications. Theoretically, a kernel can use any glibc. On the forum you’ll find some web-browsers which include a newer version of glibc. And often AppImages are published with ‘built-in’ glibc libraries.

Now that you figured out how to get tahrpup to boot from a USB-Key, I’d recommend that you take another stab at getting xenialpup to do so. [If that’s successful we can try even newer Puppys. BUT ALWAYS TELL US EXACTLY which puppy you are working with. Currently, for example, are you working with the official 32-bit tahrpup, the official 64-bit tahrpup, or some variant? USE AN ISO’S FULL NAME]. One of the first things detectives want to find out is the identity of the victim.

P.S. BologneChe provided a link to palemoon-portable. You don’t install portables. The post I referred to above explains how to ‘extract’ the tar.gz in which they are packaged and run them from the folder you’ll find in the ‘portable-extracted’ folder. My recollection is that tahrpup has at least one application on Menu>Utilities for extracting archives. But you’ll likely find the latest version of UExtract useful, viewtopic.php?p=3263#p3263

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What exact version of Tahrpup?
What is the complete exact name of the Tahrpup ISO?

There is a 32bit and a 64bit version.

Need to get the correct bit version of any software you try to install and use.

Thank you, but it doesn't work .
Can not install.

That provides no useful information to help you.
What you did to try and install?
What does exactly happen?
That info tells us what happens and also if you are doing it correctly.