BitwigStudio DAW - v3.x.x OK, v4.x.x crashes

courtage · Post by **courtage** » Mon Apr 04, 2022 8:54 pm

Long shot as I'm a bit unhopeful many people here are using it ...

I've had BitwigStudio v3.x.x running OK on Bionic64 (with @rockedge's realtime kernel )for a while. It ran OK even on my old Dell core2duo+4GB

Upgraded to v4 and it crashes immediately after the splash screen on both the old Dell & my "new" ThinkPad (i7 4 core + 12GB)

Bitwig support said last time when it was on the Dell "oh its probably because of your old hardware & limited ram", but clearly not.

Obviously I'm asking them again but I thought I'd also ask here, because it might be more of a Java thing than a Bitwig thing, judging by the first few lines of the crashlog:

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#
# A fatal error has been detected by the Java Runtime Environment:
#
#  SIGSEGV (0xb) at pc=0x0000000000000000, pid=2475, tid=2476
#
# JRE version:  (16.0+36) (build )
# Java VM: OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM (16+36-2231, mixed mode, tiered, z gc, linux-amd64)
# Problematic frame:
# C  0x0000000000000000
#
# No core dump will be written. Core dumps have been disabled. To enable core dumping, try "ulimit -c unlimited" before starting Java again
#
#

I've tested it with a standard Bionic kernel too & still get the same.

Have we got any JRE gurus around the place who can help?

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Post by **rockedge** » Mon Apr 04, 2022 9:29 pm

need to see more of the log......but what is in SIGSEGV (0xb) at pc=0x0000000000000000, pid=2475, tid=2476 the PID?

Possible it is hardware drivers or possible it's a library's version mis-match

also saw a fix like this in the active shell terminal that did something to fix it:

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export LD_BIND_NOW=1

then rerun the program from command line in that terminal

courtage · Post by **courtage** » Mon Apr 04, 2022 9:44 pm

Thanks @rockedge, but that didn't work.

I'm disincline to think it's a hw driver thing as the same error occurs on wildly divergent hardware, or maybe I'm just whistling here.

here's the whole log.

The pid seems to be the command line its trying to run (per the summary)

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#
# A fatal error has been detected by the Java Runtime Environment:
#
#  SIGSEGV (0xb) at pc=0x0000000000000000, pid=2475, tid=2476
#
# JRE version:  (16.0+36) (build )
# Java VM: OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM (16+36-2231, mixed mode, tiered, z gc, linux-amd64)
# Problematic frame:
# C  0x0000000000000000
#
# No core dump will be written. Core dumps have been disabled. To enable core dumping, try "ulimit -c unlimited" before starting Java again
#
#

---------------  S U M M A R Y ------------

Command Line: -Dorg.sqlite.lib.path=/mnt/sdb1/data/Audio/BITWIG4/opt/bitwig-studio/lib/bitwig-studio -XX:+UseZGC -Xms300m -XX:SoftMaxHeapSize=2048m -Xmx3072m -Djava.io.tmpdir=/tmp/bitwig-root -DinstallationRoot=/mnt/sdb1/data/Audio/BITWIG4/opt/bitwig-studio -DsplashPid=2474 -Djava.awt.headless=true -XX:ErrorFile=/root/.BitwigStudio/bitwig-studio-jvm-crash.log com.bitwig.flt.app.BitwigStudioMain

Host: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-3630QM CPU @ 2.40GHz, 8 cores, 11G, Bionicpup64 8.0
Time: Mon Apr  4 15:57:55 2022 BST elapsed time: 0.133190 seconds (0d 0h 0m 0s)

---------------  T H R E A D  ---------------

Current thread (0x00007fbd7c024080):  JavaThread "Unknown thread" [_thread_in_vm, id=2476, stack(0x00007fbd843e8000,0x00007fbd844e9000)]

Stack: [0x00007fbd843e8000,0x00007fbd844e9000],  sp=0x00007fbd844e7448,  free space=1021k

siginfo: si_signo: 11 (SIGSEGV), si_code: 1 (SEGV_MAPERR), si_addr: 0x0000000000000000

Registers:
RAX=0x00007fbd843e5bf0, RBX=0x00007fbd7c08e2c0, RCX=0x00000000000005d5, RDX=0x00007fbd7c08e2c0
RSP=0x00007fbd844e7448, RBP=0x00007fbd844e7460, RSI=0x000000000000034e, RDI=0x00007fbd8026c352
R8 =0x00007fbd844e7458, R9 =0x00000000000005d5, R10=0x00007fbd7c0008d0, R11=0x0000000000000000
R12=0x00007fbd844e7500, R13=0x00007fbd8026c335, R14=0x00007fbd8026c335, R15=0x00007fbd844e7480
RIP=0x0000000000000000, EFLAGS=0x0000000000010206, CSGSFS=0x002b000000000033, ERR=0x0000000000000014
  TRAPNO=0x000000000000000e

Top of Stack: (sp=0x00007fbd844e7448)
0x00007fbd844e7448:   00007fbd843ccaf8 00007fbd8026c335
0x00007fbd844e7458:   0000000000000000 00007fbd844e74e0
0x00007fbd844e7468:   00007fbd843ccdc9 00000000000005d5
0x00007fbd844e7478:   00007fbd7c0298c0 00000000cafefafa 

Instructions: (pc=0x0000000000000000)
0xffffffffffffff00:   



---------------  P R O C E S S  ---------------

Threads class SMR info:
_java_thread_list=0x00007fbd8389ba20, length=0, elements={
}

Java Threads: ( => current thread )

Other Threads:
  0x00007fbd7c051800 ConcurrentGCThread "ZDirector" [stack: 0x00007fbd6c2ea000,0x00007fbd6c3ea000] [id=2484]
  0x00007fbd7c0558c0 ConcurrentGCThread "ZDriver" [stack: 0x00007fbd6c1e8000,0x00007fbd6c2e8000] [id=2485]
  0x00007fbd7c0569b0 ConcurrentGCThread "ZStat" [stack: 0x00007fbd6c0e6000,0x00007fbd6c1e6000] [id=2486]
  0x00007fbd7c048670 ConcurrentGCThread "ZUnmapper" [stack: 0x00007fbd6c4ee000,0x00007fbd6c5ee000] [id=2482]
  0x00007fbd7c053730 ConcurrentGCThread "ZUncommitter" [stack: 0x00007fbd6c3ec000,0x00007fbd6c4ec000] [id=2483]
  0x00007fbd7c03eab0 GCTaskThread "ZWorker#0" [stack: 0x00007fbd6c9f8000,0x00007fbd6caf8000] [id=2477]
  0x00007fbd7c044660 GCTaskThread "ZWorker#1" [stack: 0x00007fbd6c8f6000,0x00007fbd6c9f6000] [id=2478]
  0x00007fbd7c0455b0 GCTaskThread "ZWorker#2" [stack: 0x00007fbd6c7f4000,0x00007fbd6c8f4000] [id=2479]
  0x00007fbd7c046520 GCTaskThread "ZWorker#3" [stack: 0x00007fbd6c6f2000,0x00007fbd6c7f2000] [id=2480]
  0x00007fbd7c047490 GCTaskThread "ZWorker#4" [stack: 0x00007fbd6c5f0000,0x00007fbd6c6f0000] [id=2481]
  0x00007fbd7c057ea0 Thread "RuntimeWorker#0" [stack: 0x00007fbb4df00000,0x00007fbb4e000000] [id=2487]
  0x00007fbd7c058e10 Thread "RuntimeWorker#1" [stack: 0x00007fbb4ddfe000,0x00007fbb4defe000] [id=2488]
  0x00007fbd7c059d80 Thread "RuntimeWorker#2" [stack: 0x00007fbb4dcfc000,0x00007fbb4ddfc000] [id=2489]
  0x00007fbd7c05acf0 Thread "RuntimeWorker#3" [stack: 0x00007fbb4dbfa000,0x00007fbb4dcfa000] [id=2490]
  0x00007fbd7c05bc60 Thread "RuntimeWorker#4" [stack: 0x00007fbb4daf8000,0x00007fbb4dbf8000] [id=2491]

=>0x00007fbd7c024080 (exited) JavaThread "Unknown thread" [_thread_in_vm, id=2476, stack(0x00007fbd843e8000,0x00007fbd844e9000)]

Threads with active compile tasks:

VM state: not at safepoint (not fully initialized)

VM Mutex/Monitor currently owned by a thread: None

GC Precious Log:
 NUMA Support: Disabled
 CPUs: 8 total, 8 available
 Memory: 11710M
 Large Page Support: Disabled
 Workers: 5 parallel, 1 concurrent
 Address Space Type: Contiguous/Unrestricted/Complete
 Address Space Size: 49152M x 3 = 147456M
 Heap Backing File: /memfd:java_heap
 Heap Backing Filesystem: tmpfs (0x1021994)
 Min Capacity: 300M
 Initial Capacity: 300M
 Max Capacity: 3072M
 Medium Page Size: 32M
 Pre-touch: Disabled
 Available space on backing filesystem: N/A
 Uncommit: Enabled
 Uncommit Delay: 300s
 Runtime Workers: 5 parallel

ZGC Globals:
 GlobalPhase:       2 (Relocate)
 GlobalSeqNum:      1
 Offset Max:        4096G (0x0000040000000000)
 Page Size Small:   2M
 Page Size Medium:  32M

ZGC Metadata Bits:
 Good:              0x0000100000000000
 Bad:               0x00002c0000000000
 WeakBad:           0x00000c0000000000
 Marked:            0x0000040000000000
 Remapped:          0x0000100000000000

Heap:
 ZHeap           used 2M, capacity 300M, max capacity 3072M
 Metaspace       used 4K, committed 128K, reserved 1056768K
  class space    used 3K, committed 64K, reserved 1048576K

ZGC Page Table:
 Small   0x0000000000000000 0x0000000000040000 0x0000000000200000  Allocating

ZBarrierSet

GC Heap History (0 events):
No events

Deoptimization events (0 events):
No events

Classes unloaded (0 events):
No events

Classes redefined (0 events):
No events

Internal exceptions (0 events):
No events

Events (3 events):
Event: 0.001 Protecting memory [0x00007fbd843e8000,0x00007fbd843ec000] with protection modes 0
Event: 0.002 Loaded shared library /mnt/sdb1/data/Audio/BITWIG4/opt/bitwig-studio/lib/jre/lib/libjava.so
Event: 0.132 loading class java/lang/Object


Dynamic libraries:
80000000-80040000 ---p 00000000 00:00 0 
80040000-80050000 rw-p 00000000 00:00 0 
80050000-c0000000 ---p 00000000 00:00 0 
40000000000-40012c00000 rw-s 00000000 00:01 956424                       /memfd:java_heap (deleted)
40012c00000-40c00000000 ---p 00000000 00:00 0 
80000000000-80012c00000 rw-s 00000000 00:01 956424                       /memfd:java_heap (deleted)
80012c00000-80c00000000 ---p 00000000 00:00 0 
100000000000-100012c00000 rw-s 00000000 00:01 956424                     /memfd:java_heap (deleted)
100012c00000-100c00000000 ---p 00000000 00:00 0 
5609b3f72000-5609b3f73000 r-xp 00000000 08:11 7476766                    /mnt/sdb1/data/Audio/BITWIG4/opt/bitwig-studio/lib/jre/bin/java
5609b3f74000-5609b3f75000 r--p 00001000 08:11 7476766                    /mnt/sdb1/data/Audio/BITWIG4/opt/bitwig-studio/lib/jre/bin/java
5609b3f75000-5609b3f76000 rw-p 00002000 08:11 7476766                    /mnt/sdb1/data/Audio/BITWIG4/opt/bitwig-studio/lib/jre/bin/java
5609b5a8a000-5609b5aab000 rw-p 00000000 00:00 0                          [heap]
7fbb28000000-7fbb28021000 rw-p 00000000 00:00 0 
7fbb28021000-7fbb2c000000 ---p 00000000 00:00 0 
7fbb30000000-7fbb30021000 rw-p 00000000 00:00 0 
7fbb30021000-7fbb34000000 ---p 00000000 00:00 0 
7fbb34000000-7fbb34021000 rw-p 00000000 00:00 0 
7fbb34021000-7fbb38000000 ---p 00000000 00:00 0 
7fbb38000000-7fbb38021000 rw-p 00000000 00:00 0 
7fbb38021000-7fbb3c000000 ---p 00000000 00:00 0 
7fbb3c000000-7fbb3c021000 rw-p 00000000 00:00 0 
7fbb3c021000-7fbb40000000 ---p 00000000 00:00 0 
7fbb40000000-7fbb40021000 rw-p 00000000 00:00 0 
7fbb40021000-7fbb44000000 ---p 00000000 00:00 0 
7fbb44000000-7fbb44021000 rw-p 00000000 00:00 0 
7fbb44021000-7fbb48000000 ---p 00000000 00:00 0 
7fbb48000000-7fbb48021000 rw-p 00000000 00:00 0 
7fbb48021000-7fbb4c000000 ---p 00000000 00:00 0 
7fbb4d000000-7fbb4d010000 rw-p 00000000 00:00 0 
7fbb4d010000-7fbb4d800000 ---p 00000000 00:00 0 
7fbb4d8e2000-7fbb4d8f5000 r-xp 00000000 00:11 3270                       /usr/lib/libzip.so.4.0.0
7fbb4d8f5000-7fbb4daf4000 ---p 00013000 00:11 3270                       /usr/lib/libzip.so.4.0.0
7fbb4daf4000-7fbb4daf5000 r--p 00012000 00:11 3270                       /usr/lib/libzip.so.4.0.0
7fbb4daf5000-7fbb4daf6000 rw-p 00013000 00:11 3270                       /usr/lib/libzip.so.4.0.0
7fbb4daf6000-7fbb4daf7000 ---p 00000000 00:00 0 
7fbb4daf7000-7fbb4dbf8000 rw-p 00000000 00:00 0 
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7fbb4dbf9000-7fbb4dcfa000 rw-p 00000000 00:00 0 
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7fbb4deff000-7fbb50000000 rw-p 00000000 00:00 0 
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7fbd4e000000-7fbd50000000 rw-p 00000000 00:00 0 
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7fbd820b2000-7fbd820b9000 r-xp 00000000 00:11 94                         /lib/librt-2.27.so
7fbd820b9000-7fbd822b8000 ---p 00007000 00:11 94                         /lib/librt-2.27.so
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Launcher Type: SUN_STANDARD

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Process Memory:
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END.

courtage · Post by **courtage** » Mon Apr 04, 2022 10:37 pm

Himm picking through the installation it seems it isn't touching the regular JRE that I installed but picks up it's own version from a directory under its own install in /opt

SO I'vedone what I should have done in the first place & create a completely clean new install of Bionic & then installed bitwig 4 from scratch

And it works (well it doesn't because it's missing some supporting libs like libxcb, but it doesn't crash before starting)

So it looks like I've got some lib somewhere that their java needs that's broken or missing or incompatible. Which is annoying but not that surprising on a setup like mine that gets all sorts of stuff installed & tried over the years.

sigh.

Post by **rockedge** » Tue Apr 05, 2022 12:15 am

It might be possible if you find the offending library to fix it with symlink(s)

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » Tue Apr 05, 2022 4:19 am

Using pmap may help identify it. Just simply provide the PID, which you can easily obtain through htop.

courtage · Post by **courtage** » Tue Apr 05, 2022 10:21 am

rockedge wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 12:15 am
It might be possible if you find the offending library to fix it with symlink(s)

It seems that Bitwig fires up it's own java executable from /opt/bitwig-studio/lib/jre/bin/

If I invoke that executable from its location, it crashes immediately on my realtime install, but runs ok if I boot up a fresh bionic64 with no other changes or additions to the system.

I'm not sure if it's ldd I need here, but I ran ldd against the executable and got this:

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root# ldd -v ./java
	linux-vdso.so.1 (0x00007fffecdde000)
	libz.so.1 => /lib64/libz.so.1 (0x00007f0d22105000)
	libjli.so => /mnt/sdb1/data/Audio/BITWIG4/opt/bitwig-studio/lib/jre/bin/./../lib/libjli.so (0x00007f0d22532000)
	libpthread.so.0 => /lib64/libpthread.so.0 (0x00007f0d21ee6000)
	libdl.so.2 => /lib64/libdl.so.2 (0x00007f0d21ce2000)
	libc.so.6 => /lib64/libc.so.6 (0x00007f0d218f1000)
	/lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 (0x00007f0d22322000)

	Version information:
	./java:
		libc.so.6 (GLIBC_2.2.5) => /lib64/libc.so.6
	/lib64/libz.so.1:
		libc.so.6 (GLIBC_2.14) => /lib64/libc.so.6
		libc.so.6 (GLIBC_2.4) => /lib64/libc.so.6
		libc.so.6 (GLIBC_2.2.5) => /lib64/libc.so.6
		libc.so.6 (GLIBC_2.3.4) => /lib64/libc.so.6
	/mnt/sdb1/data/Audio/BITWIG4/opt/bitwig-studio/lib/jre/bin/./../lib/libjli.so:
		libc.so.6 (GLIBC_2.2.5) => /lib64/libc.so.6
		libc.so.6 (GLIBC_2.4) => /lib64/libc.so.6
		libc.so.6 (GLIBC_2.3) => /lib64/libc.so.6
		libpthread.so.0 (GLIBC_2.2.5) => /lib64/libpthread.so.0
		libdl.so.2 (GLIBC_2.2.5) => /lib64/libdl.so.2
	/lib64/libpthread.so.0:
		ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 (GLIBC_2.2.5) => /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2
		ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 (GLIBC_PRIVATE) => /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2
		libc.so.6 (GLIBC_2.14) => /lib64/libc.so.6
		libc.so.6 (GLIBC_2.3.2) => /lib64/libc.so.6
		libc.so.6 (GLIBC_2.4) => /lib64/libc.so.6
		libc.so.6 (GLIBC_2.2.5) => /lib64/libc.so.6
		libc.so.6 (GLIBC_PRIVATE) => /lib64/libc.so.6
	/lib64/libdl.so.2:
		ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 (GLIBC_PRIVATE) => /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2
		libc.so.6 (GLIBC_PRIVATE) => /lib64/libc.so.6
		libc.so.6 (GLIBC_2.4) => /lib64/libc.so.6
		libc.so.6 (GLIBC_2.2.5) => /lib64/libc.so.6
	/lib64/libc.so.6:
		ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 (GLIBC_2.3) => /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2
		ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 (GLIBC_PRIVATE) => /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2

Bitwig's own libjli.so is different between v3 & v4 but I guess that's to be expected.

All the others *except* libpthread are identical on both my live realtime system & my "clean" bionic64 installation.

So my first guess here is that /lib64/libpthread.so.0 (actually a symlink to libpthread-2.27.so) is involved as part of the problem.
If I install a fresh realtime system using huge-4.19.25-bionicpup64.tar.bz2 (which is what my live system started out as), it turns out that both libpthread files are different on the live and the clean realtime, and what's more on a fresh realtime system, once the strict dependencies are installed for it, Bitwig 4 runs perfectly.

so I guess some package at some stage has installed at least a different libpthread (and if its installed one different lib it'll probably have installed a few others too)

trying to track down where the dependcies have broken and rectifying them is probably more trouble than it's worth.

I think it's probably time I updated to Fossa anyway & I've got your realtime kernels for that. The only thing that was stpping me was the printing issue from vivaldi that I see others have tripped over too.

Thanks for taking the trouble to follow this & offer suggestions anyway.

geo_c · Post by **geo_c** » Wed Apr 06, 2022 1:48 am

courtage wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 10:21 am
I think it's probably time I updated to Fossa anyway & I've got your realtime kernels for that. The only thing that was stpping me was the printing issue from vivaldi that I see others have tripped over too.

Thanks for taking the trouble to follow this & offer suggestions anyway.

Well, I looked into this DAW after reading your posts, and I downloaded the deb package from the developer, installed it on fossapup64 (not a clean system, but rather my current system which has some added packages like python3, etc) and unfortunately it disappeared soon after the splash screen.

I may try it on a clean copy of fossa, and also on jackalpup, which is a real-time remaster of fossa, but not tonight.

courtage · Post by **courtage** » Wed Apr 06, 2022 9:51 am

I have also seen the "disappearing trick".
It's still running but the actual interface has vanished.
Very annoying, though I haven't seen this happen in a while on my systems

I find their support a bit poor (I sent them my crash log and their reply was to ask me questions the answers to which were contained in the crash log), but a lot of people swear by Bitwig .

Not sure how many pros actually use it tho, they all seem to use ableton, but of course bitwig is one of the few that is supposed to run natively on Linux as well as mac & win which is why I run it (that and someone kindly donated me a full key for the 8-track version which is all I really need)

DAWs on Puppy deserve a whole subsection in the forum lol

Post by **rockedge** » Wed Apr 06, 2022 11:21 am

@courtage,
I had the same problem, splash screen okay then disappeared and the program crashed.

Now I am able to start and run BitwigStudio version 4.2.2 on Fossapup64-9.5

Turns out after studying the errors trying to start it up that this was missing: libxcb-ewmh

So I went to the PPM searched for and found libxcb-ewmh and installed it and the -dev version of it. Started right up after that.

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run-as-spot /opt/bitwig-studio/bitwig-studio

: Screenshot(68).png (216.7 KiB) Viewed 1576 times

: Screenshot(69).png (228 KiB) Viewed 1576 times

: Screenshot(70).png (172 KiB) Viewed 1572 times

Only problem on my end is this computer has no sound card at all so no JACK server to connect to!

geo_c · Post by **geo_c** » Wed Apr 06, 2022 3:40 pm

courtage wrote: ↑Wed Apr 06, 2022 9:51 am
INot sure how many pros actually use it tho, they all seem to use ableton, but of course bitwig is one of the few that is supposed to run natively on Linux as well as mac & win which is why I run it (that and someone kindly donated me a full key for the 8-track version which is all I really need)

DAWs on Puppy deserve a whole subsection in the forum lol

Okay, I downloaded the library @rockedge suggested, and Bitwig's demo is now fired up and running on jackalpup_0.0 (which is fossapup64 re-mastered by @puddlemoon with @rockedge's realtime kernel.) I'm running it on the original jackalpup-0.0, and not @puddlemoon's recent update, as I found Librewolf and Chromium would hang in the updated version of jackalpup, which gave me pause, and I figured it would be easier to try Bitwig on the known stability of the original jackalpup.

So far it looks as if Bitwig is going to be a go. It's currently downloading all of the added packages which I suppose are instruments and plugins. I am a professional musician, and I've used Pro-tools, Reaper, Cubase, Sonar, Pre-Sonus Studio One (fantastic package), and Ardour, which I like. I have no experience with Logic and Ableton. So I'm curious about Bitwig, and I'm going to give it a whirl for a few days and see what it's like, and how it runs on jackalpup, which has jack and most of the stable jack applications installed.

Jackalpup can be found here: viewtopic.php?t=1148

geo_c · Post by **geo_c** » Wed Apr 06, 2022 4:29 pm

And my cursory report goes like this:

I was successful running Bitwig in jackalpup using both straight ALSA as the driver with jack server stopped, and also running Jack server, with Bitwig working equally as well in both. I imported some of my loop tracks and played around, though I have no idea exactly what to do yet in terms of the interface, I will be working with this package. It looks like a blast. Although it may be that once I have constructed a project and bounced instruments to audio, etc, I may still like Ardour for final mixing and mastering.

geo_c · Post by **geo_c** » Thu Apr 07, 2022 1:35 am

MIght be time for a new thread. But I thought I'd just throw this observation in:

I chose the 'download everything' option during the demo version install, and now I'm realizing that my pupsave has a folder in /root/.config/.Bitwig which is called /installed-packages and is 17gigabytes big!

That's a problem! I'm trying to figure out how to relocate all that data! The solution isn't obvious and I should probably head over to the Bitwig forums and find out,

but it may be time for @mikewalsh to do his portable magic on Bitwig.

Apparently Bitwig is written for 'full install' distros!

EDIT: having done a quick search I noticed a 5 year old post suggesting making a symlink to the 'installed packages' folder at my preferred location. I'll give it a shot.

Post by **rockedge** » Thu Apr 07, 2022 2:21 am

@geo_c That's exactly what should work., take the folders containing the plugins (or uninstall them and go with the minimal selection) and move those large directories outside of the save folder and then symlink them back to the where the program expects them.

or something like that

Mostly I am glad you also have it running and that it works!

geo_c · Post by **geo_c** » Thu Apr 07, 2022 2:44 am

rockedge wrote: ↑Thu Apr 07, 2022 2:21 am
Mostly I am glad you also have it running and that it works!

Yes it works in jackalpup, and because it also works with the stock ALSA driver, I'm pretty certain in will be fine in Fossapup64 proper. That is after installing the missing library: libxcb-ewmh from the ppm.

and the symlink worked just fine! So Bitwig is a mighty nice addition to jackalpup, an already powerful audio distro.

In Jackalpup (and Fossapup) I have also installed Musescore (@mikewalsh's portable version), Lilypond, and Frescobaldi, which are a fantastic combination for creating classic scores and leadsheets. I can do gui editing in Musescore for quick manipulation and playback, then export as a music xml file and import into Frescobaldi which creates a lilypond file. Then I cut and paste my headers and properties into the file and get really nice looking sheet music that's completely consistent from piece to piece.

Post by **mikewalsh** » Thu Apr 07, 2022 10:03 am

@geo_c :-

Yes, the sym-link trick works, 999 times out of 1000. I've got a few applications which, as part of normal running/upgrading/operation, have a tendency to generate huge data dumps of various kinds within the system.

So I do the same. Copy the entire thing out to an external location with plenty of space - usually a secondary, though auto-mounted HDD - delete the one in the system, then sym-link the newly-copied item back in its place.

Never known it fail yet!

Mike.

Post by **mikewalsh** » Thu Apr 07, 2022 11:45 am

I still say that, for the casual user, 10wt3ch's "Studio 1337" takes some beating. As it's now Bionic64-based, with a 5-series real-time kernel, it's a lot more up-to-date than older versions.

I appreciate that it may not have everything that certain people want - all depending on your specialisation, and requirements, of course - and that some of the items may be getting a wee bit long in the tooth by now. My personal version has just been re-installed, this time to the main SSD; I'd originally had it on a USB stick, but that got re-purposed a while back, and I'd kinda forgotten about it. This discussion has since reminded me about it, so I thought....."Why not?"

Reaper and LMMS have been "upgraded" by the addition of my portable versions. Ditto, Chrome has been added to the mix. I'll be adding MuseScore-portable, too, and possibly some of my portable video-editors.

Curiously, I've discovered that 10wt3ch has set it up with exactly the same "SlicknesS-dark" GTK2 theme that I've recently begun using across the kennels, after discovering it through the Gnome theme database! I'm quite chuffed about that.

We'll see how it goes. I may even try BitWig, though that $400 a year subscription won't be getting a look in; the built-in Ardour should do for what I want, along with Qtractor.....

Thanks, everybody, for reminding me about it.

Mike.

geo_c · Post by **geo_c** » Fri Apr 08, 2022 2:51 pm

mikewalsh wrote: ↑Thu Apr 07, 2022 11:45 am
I still say that, for the casual user, 10wt3ch's "Studio 1337" takes some beating. As it's now Bionic64-based, with a 5-series real-time kernel, it's a lot more up-to-date than older versions.

Curiously, I've discovered that 10wt3ch has set it up with exactly the same "SlicknesS-dark" GTK2 theme that I've recently begun using across the kennels, after discovering it through the Gnome theme database! I'm quite chuffed about that.

We'll see how it goes. I may even try BitWig, though that $400 a year subscription won't be getting a look in; the built-in Ardour should do for what I want, along with Qtractor.....

Thanks, everybody, for reminding me about it.

Mike.

I wasn't aware that Studio 1337 was still getting some maintenance and updates. I recently deleted it from one of my partitions because I hadn't booted it up in over a year. Jackalpup is one of my finely tweaked OSs at this point, but I have a fondness for Studio 1337 because I was an early adopter of 10wt3ch's work, and it helped me view Linux as a viable audio production system, whereas I had tried earlier versions of Ubuntu Studio that didn't cut the mustard at all, at least not on my available hardware. Puppy-Studio actually worked!

Bitwig is taking the subscription approach, as is Ardour, but at this point I am pleased that there are professional grade software packages that run OOTB on puppy. I want to encourage that. So if I believe I can utilize the capabilities of Bitwig, I may at some point bite the bullet.

Post by **mikewalsh** » Fri Apr 08, 2022 3:59 pm

@geo_c :-

In my case, the difference between this rig & my old one is like that between night & day.

The old one was 2005-vintage; the CPU was 'so-so'; RAM was limited; the onboard GPU was basic (and the single PCI-e slot was broken, and the ancient 1.0a standard even if it HAD worked).....stuff like that.

The new one has a far more capable CPU; I have so much RAM & storage (32GB RAM, 6TB+ of storage) that I can't ever see me being able to use it all - honest! - and Puppy runs so fast on here its paws just don't touch the ground. When I got it, it came with just 4 GB; 4 became 8 almost immediately, then 8 became 16, and finally 16 morphed into 32 after finding an incredibly good deal on Crucial RAM at Amazon. I don't really need the Asus GeForce GT710, but it's the first 'discrete' GPU I've ever owned, and I just wanted one. Equivalent to the onboard UHD610's performance, and has its own VRAM so I don't need to borrow any from the system.....and Puppy uses so little that it's basically all available for me to use myself, for MY projects.

So it makes no difference if I have a specialist Puppy installed that I only fire-up very occasionally. In terms of available space, it uses so little I barely even notice it's there.

Nice to have the shoe on the other foot for a change!

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As far as I'm aware, 10wt3ch used to make some pocket money on the side by selling pre-assembled flash drives with Studio 1337 already on them, for a very modest price. But he eventually gave up on this, and made the final release, v3.3, publicly available.

I've got both the ISO & the unzip-to-flash drive tarball of Studio 1337 v3.3 available, if anybody's interested in them.

Mike.

Post by **rockedge** » Fri Apr 08, 2022 5:02 pm

I still use Studio 1337 with great success. In reality the OS packs a punch and I have 3 local Punk Rock bands using it in their "studios" actually pumping out material that are as well put together as the pro's do it with much more costly software and equipment. I introduced one guy to it and the word spread around the area that one could get a whole studio on a stick.

Throw in these additions we're getting to run and wow.....makes me want to be a musician.

Please do make the ISO's available! I think there are others that once discovered, will really be impressed.

Cool thing is with these programs that when such a package works well, it doesn't need to be constantly updated.

geo_c · Post by **geo_c** » Fri Apr 08, 2022 11:20 pm

rockedge wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 5:02 pm
Cool thing is with these programs that when such a package works well, it doesn't need to be constantly updated.

This is the beauty of Linux in general, but puppy in particular. If a given set of software works with a given set of hardware, it works forever. The only real exceptions being browser/web based stuff that constantly has to keep up with the latest updates. When it comes to things an 'operating system' is supposed to do, like interface hardware to software, a machine with working a hardware/software combination is good until the hardware actually craps out, and that's the way it's supposed to be!

puddlemoon · Post by **puddlemoon** » Fri Apr 08, 2022 11:56 pm

I uploaded my copy to drive, HERE
I actually paid to download this when it was still only for sale but since it's been released for free shortly after should be no offence.

Perhaps @ally might like to upload it, being the archivist

geo_c · Post by **geo_c** » Sat Apr 09, 2022 1:08 am

puddlemoon wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 11:56 pm
I uploaded my copy to drive, HERE
I actually paid to download this when it was still only for sale but since it's been released for free shortly after should be no offence.

Perhaps @ally might like to upload it, being the archivist

I purhased the very first copy of Studio4 on a usb stick! I actually have Studio 1337.v3.3 as an iso. That's the one I recently deleted. But now you guys have got me interested again.

I think I'll copy it over to my SG2D stick.

Post by **mikewalsh** » Sat Apr 09, 2022 1:11 am

puddlemoon wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 11:56 pm
I uploaded my copy to drive, HERE
I actually paid to download this when it was still only for sale but since it's been released for free shortly after should be no offence.

Perhaps @ally might like to upload it, being the archivist

@puddlemoon :- I can't for the life of me remember where I downloaded mine from! Where did you get yours? (EDIT:- I remember; 10wt3ch actually posted about it here on the Forum shortly after the pandemic kicked-in with a vengeance, didn't he? Don't the links point to some musician's forum, or something like that?)

Mike.

puddlemoon · Post by **puddlemoon** » Sat Apr 09, 2022 1:52 am

@mikewalsh the paid version did send you to his website iirc, the freebie pointed to a google drive folder which is now 404. it does belong in ally's archive.org collection in my humble opinion.

I never got to using it as is so much cause I got busy changing it right away... (hence jackalpup)

Post by **mikewalsh** » Sat Apr 09, 2022 1:56 am

@puddlemoon :-

Definitely have to agree with you on that score (couldn't resist that! ) Yep; it does belong @ archive.org. I may drop ally a PM....

Mike.

ally · Post by **ally** » Sat Apr 09, 2022 8:19 am

they used to be but lowtech had them taken down from the archive, he also used to hide copies under multiple subfolders on russoodles server and then complained when I downloaded a copy

he was a dick

Post by **mikewalsh** » Sat Apr 09, 2022 11:57 am

@ally :-

ally wrote: ↑Sat Apr 09, 2022 8:19 am
they used to be but lowtech had them taken down from the archive, he also used to hide copies under multiple subfolders on russoodles server and then complained when I downloaded a copy

he was a dick

Heh. Well, having made them publicly available for free, he's now in no position to complain any longer, is he?

Puddlemoon's made his copies available. I'll put mine up, too. The more, the merrier...

https://www.mediafire.com/folder/ihyoyi ... tudio+1337

Mike.

mikeslr · Post by **mikeslr** » Sat Apr 09, 2022 11:57 am

There is a copy on archive.org. I found it last night. Maybe I can find it again. Here it is, https://archive.org/details/studio_1337-dvd-64bit, I think. May not be the version you've been talking about.

ally · Post by **ally** » Sat Apr 09, 2022 4:13 pm

all of the copies I have were downloaded straight off the net, not behind a paywall, I refer to my previous statement

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