How windows manager-specific are screen savers?

Moderator: Forum moderators

Post Reply
User avatar
JASpup
Posts: 1653
Joined: Sun Oct 04, 2020 10:52 am
Location: U.S.A.
Has thanked: 70 times
Been thanked: 89 times

How windows manager-specific are screen savers?

Post by JASpup »

My favorite Puppy screensaver isn't obviously available anywhere else, so I tried to manually cobble it from X-Tahr.

It doesn't appear to work in Tahr, but I am not sure if it's the windows-manager or if I missed something.

Attachments
screener.sfs
(4 KiB) Downloaded 80 times

On the Whiz-Neophyte Bridge
Linux Über Alles
Disclaimer: You may not be reading my words as posted.

User avatar
MochiMoppel
Posts: 1284
Joined: Mon Jun 15, 2020 6:25 am
Location: Japan
Has thanked: 22 times
Been thanked: 470 times

Re: How windows manager-specific are screen savers?

Post by MochiMoppel »

JASpup wrote: Fri Oct 15, 2021 4:16 am

How windows manager-specific are screen savers?

Not at all.
Screener requires xautolock which may not be installed in your Puppy.

User avatar
JASpup
Posts: 1653
Joined: Sun Oct 04, 2020 10:52 am
Location: U.S.A.
Has thanked: 70 times
Been thanked: 89 times

Re: How windows manager-specific are screen savers?

Post by JASpup »

MochiMoppel wrote: Fri Oct 15, 2021 5:19 am
JASpup wrote: Fri Oct 15, 2021 4:16 am

How windows manager-specific are screen savers?

Not at all.
Screener requires xautolock which may not be installed in your Puppy.

I will use this screen saver everywhere if it works in JWM and newer pups.

My .sfs is missing the .conf file in /root/.config, but before I had xautolock 2.2 installed it gave this same message:

Code: Select all

root# /usr/sbin/screener: line 5: /root/.config/screener.conf: No such file or directory
Unable parse command line: Unknown option --borders=10


Unable parse command line: Unknown option --borders=10
is why I thought it needed XFCE.

I've looked for the original screener .pet/.deb but not sure where it is: https://archive.org/download/Puppy_Linux_X-tahr

On the Whiz-Neophyte Bridge
Linux Über Alles
Disclaimer: You may not be reading my words as posted.

User avatar
JASpup
Posts: 1653
Joined: Sun Oct 04, 2020 10:52 am
Location: U.S.A.
Has thanked: 70 times
Been thanked: 89 times

Re: How windows manager-specific are screen savers?

Post by JASpup »

On the Whiz-Neophyte Bridge
Linux Über Alles
Disclaimer: You may not be reading my words as posted.

User avatar
fredx181
Posts: 3237
Joined: Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:49 pm
Location: holland
Has thanked: 403 times
Been thanked: 1400 times
Contact:

Re: How windows manager-specific are screen savers?

Post by fredx181 »

JASpup wrote:

Unable parse command line: Unknown option --borders=10 is why I thought it needed XFCE.

Looks like that you need a newer yad version that supports --borders=.
edit: anyway, very old yad versions (e.g. v0.12 included in old Puppies) quit when an option is not found, newer yad versions will just ignore it only.

User avatar
JASpup
Posts: 1653
Joined: Sun Oct 04, 2020 10:52 am
Location: U.S.A.
Has thanked: 70 times
Been thanked: 89 times

Re: How windows manager-specific are screen savers?

Post by JASpup »

fredx181 wrote: Sat Oct 16, 2021 6:42 pm

Looks like that you need a newer yad version that supports --borders=.
edit: anyway, very old yad versions (e.g. v0.12 included in old Puppies) quit when an option is not found, newer yad versions will just ignore it only.

yad or yade?

This is X-Tahr where screener is the default screen saver.

Attachments
yad-xtahr-ppm-min.png
yad-xtahr-ppm-min.png (36.34 KiB) Viewed 746 times

On the Whiz-Neophyte Bridge
Linux Über Alles
Disclaimer: You may not be reading my words as posted.

User avatar
JASpup
Posts: 1653
Joined: Sun Oct 04, 2020 10:52 am
Location: U.S.A.
Has thanked: 70 times
Been thanked: 89 times

Re: How windows manager-specific are screen savers?

Post by JASpup »

background:

I do not absolutely have to use screener, but I would use it if it worked easily.

I do not like sscontrol for its 5-minute increments pupx is incomplete. In later pups pupx tabs are stripped. It feels like hackery when screen savers are important, conspicuous os functions. screener feels refined.

sscontrol and pupx work together inconsistently.

I am happy with any consistent screen saver with minute increments. I was browsing ppm for others. It would have to follow the Puppy philosophy of light with few dependencies.

On the Whiz-Neophyte Bridge
Linux Über Alles
Disclaimer: You may not be reading my words as posted.

User avatar
fredx181
Posts: 3237
Joined: Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:49 pm
Location: holland
Has thanked: 403 times
Been thanked: 1400 times
Contact:

Re: How windows manager-specific are screen savers?

Post by fredx181 »

JASpup wrote:

yad or yade?

yad, the screener script depends on it for the GUI, apparently it's not in the x-tahr repo, but I think x-tahr has a new enough yad version included.
But for other older Puppy versions you may need a newer yad, here are pet packages: viewtopic.php?p=9063#p9063
Also you may need -for other than x-tahr- the correct xlock version, for 32-bit you can probably just copy /usr/bin/xlock from x-tahr.
(I found that other versions have different options/modes, so not compatible then with screener)

Code: Select all

 # xlock -version
XLock version xlockmore-5.43
User avatar
JASpup
Posts: 1653
Joined: Sun Oct 04, 2020 10:52 am
Location: U.S.A.
Has thanked: 70 times
Been thanked: 89 times

Re: How windows manager-specific are screen savers?

Post by JASpup »

williams2 and herrbert just had faith that I could return icons to my crashed pupsave and they were right.

My pupsave is not pre-crash condition but salvageable.

If you and moppei believe screener will run in JWM, I will keep hacking at it when I have the opportunity.

On the Whiz-Neophyte Bridge
Linux Über Alles
Disclaimer: You may not be reading my words as posted.

User avatar
fredx181
Posts: 3237
Joined: Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:49 pm
Location: holland
Has thanked: 403 times
Been thanked: 1400 times
Contact:

Re: How windows manager-specific are screen savers?

Post by fredx181 »

JASpup wrote: Sun Oct 17, 2021 11:25 am

If you and moppei believe screener will run in JWM, I will keep hacking at it when I have the opportunity.

Sure it can work with JWM, I've put together screener and xlockmore pet packages, see attachments and instructions here: viewtopic.php?p=39415#p39415, can you test ?
EDIT: I didn't investigate possible conflict with other screensaver programs as you mentioned, best is to disable others by removing from e.g. ~/Startup.

User avatar
JASpup
Posts: 1653
Joined: Sun Oct 04, 2020 10:52 am
Location: U.S.A.
Has thanked: 70 times
Been thanked: 89 times

Re: How windows manager-specific are screen savers?

Post by JASpup »

fredx181 wrote: Sun Oct 17, 2021 3:37 pm

Sure it can work with JWM, I've put together screener and xlockmore pet packages, see attachments and instructions here: viewtopic.php?p=39415#p39415, can you test ?
EDIT: I didn't investigate possible conflict with other screensaver programs as you mentioned, best is to disable others by removing from e.g. ~/Startup.

I had troubles searching on screener in the past.

I suspect a general belief that casually having two default screen savers that generally work don't create conflicts, but they do.

They don't work as expected and sometimes you cannot tell which is activated.

Image is pupx stripped of the mouse and keyboard options in a dark-themed XFCE 32pup newer than the X-Series.

Notice no mouse or keyboard settings.

I like pupx mythologically. No one seems to know what Allow exposures means. :lol:

I will check screener in JWM.

Attachments
pupx-ss.png
pupx-ss.png (30.34 KiB) Viewed 555 times

On the Whiz-Neophyte Bridge
Linux Über Alles
Disclaimer: You may not be reading my words as posted.

Post Reply

Return to “Desktop”