FocalPup32 (UPupFF+D-20.12) FocalFossa+Debian Woof-CE build

[HerrBert]

Temporarily fixed it locally:

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cd /usr/bin
for N in i686-linux-gnu-*;do X=${N/#i686-linux-gnu-}; ln -s $N ${X/%-10};done 

drops some errors about existing symlinks...

Compiling sylpheed still fails. Tried several times with some symlinking header files but at least had to give up due to a missing header file glibconfig.h.

EDIT:

After having lunch and going for a walk i tried to compile sylpheed again. After some reading and several more attempts : success. What i missed was passing CFLAG to ./configure
I don't recall i ever had to pass a flag when compiling. There's always a first time...

When trying to retrieve CFLAG there were some missing files for pkg-config:

• freetype2

• libselinux

• libpcre2-8

I found the dev-packages via ppm and installed them:

• libfreetype-dev_2.10.1-2ubuntu0.1_i386.deb

• libpcre2-dev_10.34-7_i386.deb

• libselinux1-dev_3.0-1build2_i386.deb

Finally

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./configure --prefix=/usr CFLAGS="$(pkg-config --cflags --libs glib-2.0 gtk+-2.0)"
make
make install
mkdir sylpheed-3.7.0-focal
make DESTDIR=`pwd`/sylpheed-3.7.0-focal install

(second install for creating a .pet)

[peebee]

Now
55c0746bbc7c2f2c7a27147646f4364d UPupFF+D-20.12+8.iso
see post #1

devx also fixed and updated

[HerrBert]

When trying to retrieve CFLAG there were some missing files for pkg-config:

freetype2

libselinux

libpcre2-8

not fixed in devx_upupff+d_20.12+8.sfs

Another issue i have noticed is mp console editor's menus do not work.

[sindi]

2005 DELL B130 with 1GB RAM PC2-4200, 1.5GB swap file, 1.4GHz cpu, Intel video. Fossa64 claims to need dual core and 2GB RAM.
Nothing older than BionicPup has worked right on here - bad video, no sound, no ethernet, frozen mouse, freezes, etc.

So far it all works - video, sound, eth0 and wlan0 (b44 and b43 - which do NOT work in the latest BionicPup32).
238MB RAM used (plus buffer) while running palemoon at the forum site.

Print management appears to work (it does not in an older BionicPup32).

The menu worked to download palemoon.sfs, X reloaded itself, and Palemoon 29.3.1 is working (from Stephen Pusser, I presume).

I am very pleased!

One small change since BionicPup32 is I cannot access a vt. Ctrl-Alt-F2. I use several vts or splitvt with lynx, pico or nano, ssh, etc.

The youtube-viewer 3.7.6 pet which I just installed cannot find if.pm. How/where do I get it? Is there a better pet?

Youtube works in Palemoon (slowly, with ads, watchable at 360p most of the time).

Focal32 is not listed as an official puppy and took a while to find.

[amethyst]

Youtube works in Palemoon (slowly, with ads, watchable at 360p most of the time).

Watch youtube"embedded" ie. directly from another search site like Duckduckgo or Bing. No ads and you avoid the resource hungry youtube pages.

[666philb]

One small change since BionicPup32 is I cannot access a vt. Ctrl-Alt-F2. I use several vts or splitvt with lynx, pico or nano, ssh, etc.

hi sindi ,

edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf

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Option "DontVTSwitch" "false"

[sindi]

To use vt:

edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf

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Option "DontVTSwitch" "false"

I commented out the line with "true" instead. It worked. This is the ONLY puppy I have ever used (starting with 1) with this odd default.

Also I need to use two fingers for vertical scroll, not one. I think I fixed that in mouse setup.

[sindi]

"I need to use two fingers for vertical scroll, not one. I think I fixed that in mouse setup."
I checked off (in mouse setup, touchpad) 'scroll zone vertical'. Only two-finger scroll was checked, unlike in bionic32.

[keniv]

I've made a manual frugal install of UPupFF+D-20.12 which I am booting with Grub4Dos. I have not included the arvd but instead installed two portable 32 bit browsers. One is Palemoon 29.4.1 which is also the default browser (I'm posting from it now) and the other is Firefox91.2.0 esr. This allows me to have two fairly up to date browsers on a 32bit OS. I also run Dpup Stretch and use the same browsers. I have also installed the latest version of YouTube-Get. All of this has worked, however I have also attempted to install pwidgets. I have tried pwidgets-2.5.8-486 and 2.6.0-486 .pets Neither of these work but worse still they cause the screen to freeze which in turn requires a hard shutdown. I have the 2.5.8-486 version running in Dpup Stretch without any problems. Can I ask if anybody else is running pwidgets on this pup and if so which version or can anybody suggest how I can get the versions I've mentioned above to work.

Regards,

Ken.

[peebee]

Hi @keniv

pWidgets has a very aggressive and inflexible pinstall .............. which is incompatible with the FocalPup32 lib directory structure and it therefore overwrites system files!!!

By stripping out the unneeded parts this version seems to work ......

pwidgets-2.6.0-486-uff.pet

(156.11 KiB) Downloaded 116 times

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[keniv]

@peebee

By stripping out the unneeded parts this version seems to work ......

pwidgets-2.6.0-486-uff.pet

Hi peebee,
Thanks for this. I installed the .pet then I made some changes choosing the widgets that I normally use and they all work.

Thanks again,

Ken.

[gilles]

Hello,
This Focal Fossa 32 bits iso is perfect. It works perfectly, both with my 64 bits computer and with the very small Asus Eee 701SD netbook that I use when I travel very far away (nobody will want to steal it!). Even Youtube works perfectly with Firefox in the Eee 701SD. I just have to set the youtube resolution to minimum.

However, with the Asus Eee 701SD, I would like to install a panning with xrandr, because some (only some) set up windows are a problem.
In principle, it is enough to write a script :

#!/bin/sh
xrandr --output LVDS1 --mode 800x480 --panning 800x600

600 is only an example to test

This is what I have done : https://onedrive.live.com/?authkey=%21A ... ot&o=OneUp
and made it executable.
But, it doesn't work with Focal Fossa 32 bits.

Writing xrandr in the terminal I have this :
# xrandr
xrandr: Output LVDS1 is not disconnected but has no modes
Screen 0: minimum 8 x 8, current 800 x 480, maximum 32767 x 32767
LVDS1 connected primary 800x480+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 152mm x 91mm
TV1 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis)
VGA1 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis)
VIRTUAL1 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis)
800x480 (0x47) 32.000MHz -HSync -VSync
h: width 800 start 840 end 968 total 1056 skew 0 clock 30.30KHz
v: height 480 start 481 end 484 total 505 clock 60.01Hz

Any idea ?
Thank you

[gilles]

Nobody know how I could set up a panning with xrandr in UPupFF ?

[williams2]

I think the video drivers do not support your hardware.
It may be using the vesa driver.

Older versions of Puppy (and Linux) support older hardware better.

Newer versions of Puppy support newer hardware better.

Does this show what driver is being used:

lspci -nnk | grep -iA3 VGA

[JASpup]

This Focal Fossa 32 bits iso is perfect. It works perfectly, both with my 64 bits computer and with the very small Asus Eee 701SD netbook that I use when I travel very far away (nobody will want to steal it!).

@gilles are you using a 32-bit distribution on a 64-bit system for the convenience of one setup?

[gilles]

Hi,

William2
lspci -nnk | grep -iA3 VGA :

Thank you for your help

JASpup
Because I can use the same frugal install with my 2 computers. I use a 64 bits computer at home and a 32 bits computer (Asus EEE PC 701SD with 2 Go RAM) when I am traveling far away. It works perfectly (even with Youtube, see there : viewtopic.php?t=4393), because nobody will want to steal it. It depends where I am, but it is not always possible to put a computer in a safe place. With this old EEE PC the risk is very limited, even in poor countries.
In poor countries, most people cannot afford to buy a computer (and it is the very large majority of the world population !) but they can get, for nothing, or nearly nothing, old 32 bits computers people doesn't want any more in ours countries. So, it is very clear that old 32 bits computers will go on to be used for a long time, as long as puppy linux, or others, will provide 32 bits iso !
I am looking if I can change my usual frugal install to a more up to date puppy linux.

[JASpup]

Hello @gilles,

I cannot tell where you are. French colony?

Your Focal looks good. I would consider using a peebea +D pup 64-bit for the XFCE ydrv. Newer Debian works differently and would still be an adjustment, but as a main distro it would be worth it when X-Tahr and Xenial are too old.

What, if anything, are we sacrificing without 64 os?

I know what you mean about the value of machines. If I removed my internal HD, I would feel the same way.

[gilles]

Hello @gilles,

Your Focal looks good. I would consider using a peebea +D pup 64-bit for the XFCE ydrv. Newer Debian works differently and would still be an adjustment, but as a main distro it would be worth it when X-Tahr and Xenial are too old.

Hello JASpup,
Yes, I am french, but I use to travel far away to foreign countries (before the covid 19). I speak french, english, and spanish (and a little german).

I, already told you why I am using, and shall go on, to use 32 bits iso : "Because I can use the same frugal install with my 2 computers. I use a 64 bits computer at home and a 32 bits computer (Asus EEE PC 701SD with 2 Go RAM) when I am traveling far away."
Old or not, Xenial 32 bits still works perfectly, even with my Eee PC, since I installed a 2 Go RAM ! It only needs an up to date browser (very easy to find !). The only (very little) problem is the availables packages in the PPM.
I do not understand why there is people always wanting the newest thing while an older one, already, gives you everything you need. Sure, I shall not change my spouse for this reason!

What, if anything, are we sacrificing without 64 os?

Sorry, I don't understand what you mean...
Friendly yours

[JASpup]

@gilles salut,

Please forgive my understanding. I believe if you can use the exact same PUPSAVE on 64-bit and 32-bit machines, that is an advance. I had not thought of it!

I came to this thread to understand the Debian component. If, say, mounted partitions start using /media instead of /mnt, is that Debian?

Surely we would not trade in an older wife for more new compatibility problems. Sometimes the grass is greener on the older side.

In America, especially California, people are poor or affluent and no one seems to mind. It is not serious (liberte egalite fraternite says no one). Yet here most people have access to food and computers so I considered maybe you are in a colony too poor for newer computers.

The meaning of my question: if a 64-bit os is not necessary on a 64-bit computer, why do we need them? What is the advantage?

Regards

[gilles]

Hello,

so I considered maybe you are in a colony too poor for newer computers.

You are wrong. But I always keep in mind that the majority of the world's population lives in poor countries. On the other hand, the preservation of our planet would imply not to throw away what works well, to buy a new product that brings nothing more than what we need, because its manufacture, and its transport, imply pollution that could be avoided and that the planet does not need.
Of course, this is not the concern of big companies who have every interest in pushing useless consumption.
Moreover, we should not forget that one of the fundamental goals of puppy linux is to give life back to old computers.

I must tell you that France doesn't have any more colonies. This is old history. People living in France have the same rights in every part of France (Europe, or overseas). and, of course, have the rigth to live in any part of France (Europe or Overseas). For the third time in only several years, next december (the 15th), people living in New Caledonia (Asia), will have to choose, to stay french or to become an independent country.

The meaning of my question: if a 64-bit os is not necessary on a 64-bit computer, why do we need them? What is the advantage?

This is a good question ! May be for something I do not need ! A 32 bits OS works as well on 64 or 32 bits computers, but a 64 bits OS works only on 64 bits computers

[gilles]

back to the question :
Nobody knows how I could set up a panning with xrandr in this 32 bits UPupFF ?

[peebee]

You can move a window around by right-clicking and dragging on its thumbnail in the desktop pager in the systray...........

Is this sufficient for your needs?

[gilles]

Hi Peebee;

Thank you for your answer. As usual, you did a very good work.

But, sorry, it isn't always sufficient. Often I need to do a rigth clic, and then, when I clic "move" or "maximise" sometimes (not always), the desktop diseapears and I have the terminal, in whitch I must write "xwin" to get the desktop again.

So, it should be better (and much easier) to set up a panning... But, may be, it isn't posible with the 32 bits puppy linux Focal Fossa ?

[JASpup]

I have noticed some video quirks, but eventually I can get a usable screen.

Williams2 suggested trying different distros. This may help. You might have luck with Mainline Xenial. Another possibility is an alternate desktop environment. They use different video utilities. I booted HirsuteHippo XFCE to show you (2nd monitor shows when present):

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Hirsute is +D also one issue after Fossa. Fossa should have ydrv with the same utilities.

If your panning problem is ONLY on FocalPup32, it makes sense to post here. Otherwise I would suggest Users.

the preservation of our planet would imply not to throw away what works well, to buy a new product that brings nothing more than what we need, because its manufacture, and its transport, imply pollution that could be avoided and that the planet does not need.

I agree 100%.

By colony I meant former colony. Example: Quebec is in my consciousness as France. The rest is England. America is England. Mexico down to Tierra del Fuego is Spain, except Portugese Brasil.

Poor Spain is invading rich England in massive numbers, but I will save that for another time, like the military coup in Myanmar, or the idea that America has territories like Puerto Rico comprised of citizens who cannot vote.

A 32 bits OS works as well on 64 or 32 bits computers, but a 64 bits OS works only on 64 bits computers.

I would be interested in differences you notice in another thread.

[JASpup]

Is there a trick getting XFCE Suspend to work?

Are these buttons editable?

I've been reluctant/afraid to attempt suspending before I could devote attention to glitches, but I've just discovered the version in X-Tahr works. It looks a little different as a dropdown menu item.

[gilles]

Hi JASpup,
Yes, the pannng problem is only with Focal Fossa. With Xenial 32 bits and Bionic Beaver 32 bits, it works perfectly.
I'll give a look to Hirsute

[peebee]

Is there a trick getting XFCE Suspend to work?

Thanks for nudge - there were things wrong with suspend - the ydrv has been re-uploaded with fixes....

If you have a save-area, delete /opt/xfpup/xfpup-hints-shown and reboot to apply fixes.

[JASpup]

Yes, the pannng problem is only with Focal Fossa. With Xenial 32 bits and Bionic Beaver 32 bits, it works perfectly.
I'll give a look to Hirsute

@gilles interesting. You might try either of the two newer. I would expect them to work similar to FossaPup. I would also have low expectations for that reason (being too similar), but would be pleasantly surprised if they work.

[JASpup]

Thanks for nudge - there were things wrong with suspend - the ydrv has been re-uploaded with fixes....

If you have a save-area, delete /opt/xfpup/xfpup-hints-shown and reboot to apply fixes.

Ok, I am not sure what qualifies as something interesting as a creator, but I consider the logout gui a basic function.

The suspend.sh script works as is, just not the gui. I am not sure how the gui functions or how customizable it is. I would probably point the gui to suspend.sh if that were a customization file setting.

As ydrv these are more than I expected, more counting on something for developers to make into puplets. If you intend to spend more time on them I recommend basic menu enhancements:

Missing icons in the menu categories (in Hirsute Filesystem, Network, Setup, and Utility display the alternate 'missing' icon).

Right-click in X-series is for adding menu items to panels or the desktop, a significant convenience, not running the app like JWM. Of course we can still drag them in Xf. (There was a third function I don't recall.) Basically, any menu item you see can be easily added to either panel. JWM can dream.

After about 8-10 menu items the list is too long if there is a convenient way to break them up. The adjustment is easy-to-add/remove menu items, and adding the XFCE app search at the bottom of the menu. To put it another way, the X-series menus are too sparce, and it's not much of an inconvenience. There are also recent and all menu categories in the list which I tend to use, as well as all four menu launchers.

UPDATE:

(There was a third function I don't recall.)

The third function was adding a menu item to Favorites, another menu category after Recent and All. What you don't see is close at hand. I tend to use X-Tahr's virtual keyboard from the All category.

[JASpup]

I learned from the Tahr XFCE Quickpet:

The feature-full menu is the Whisker menu. Quickpet happens to include both side-by-side, visible here: https://postimg.cc/CR2FhGVx

X-series uses just Whisker.

The +D series XFCE ydrv use just Applications.

There is a Whisker package for +D in the ppm with 12 dependencies for about 2.4mb.

For ME the space would be worth Whisker advantages.

Alas, when you install it, it royally screws up peebea's menus, including no logout menu option.

Whisker also does not present itself as a new panel item to add after package installation.

It could be that I've chosen a wrong package, if not just a highly technical implementation.

If Whisker worked, Applications would also probably still be available, but given a choice, we only need Whisker which still makes Applications available with a right-click.