AI is not an idea

[Clarity]

While political leaders have us running around hating each other's countries and mankind's plight globally, WE are missing the ELEPHANT in the Room that we all need to turn our attention to: This has the ability to be a game changer if we use it productively for all.

[wiak]

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/ ... -of-us-all
"Whether that is a nightmare or a utopia, of course, depends on how you think society would adapt to such a change. Would huge numbers of people be freed to live a life of leisure, supported by the AIs that do their jobs in their stead? Or would they instead find themselves unemployed and unemployable, with their former managers reaping the rewards of the increased productivity an hour worked?"

I believe I know the answer to this one! Most of us live in countries powered by capitalism - in that world history continues to tell us, past and present, that people will "find themselves unemployed and unemployable, with their former managers reaping the rewards of the increased productivity" the wonders of AI will bring. I see it at the local sawmill factory where my partner works as a contractor - big money being spent to automate the process - instead of 20 men, just one big machine and two men controlling it via computer control panel (actually the machine from Germany has Linux inside...). Yes, that example I give is not AI per se, but nevertheless an example of technological advance/automation replacing human workforce. Not many jobs around here (except on orchards) - most who lose their former jobs end up on dole queue seeking government social benefits.

[bigpup]

When they can come up with something that can make a computer always believe the truth.
Half of the world population will not have jobs!
2 seconds to get it wrong.
30 minutes, for 4 people, to finally get the computer to accept the correction.

[Grey]

I see it at the local sawmill factory

I am curious. Do you know where the raw materials for the sawmill come from? Local forests or everything imported? I've heard that New Zealand is "obsessed" with the environment.

[williwaw]

I see it at the local sawmill factory

I am curious. Do you know where the raw materials for the sawmill come from? Local forests or everything imported? I've heard that New Zealand is "obsessed" with the environment.

I am guessing plantation raised radiata pine or lyptus for export? Maybe exports trump environment....

I believe I know the answer to this one! Most of us live in countries powered by capitalism - in that world history continues to tell us, past and present, that people will "find themselves unemployed and unemployable,,,,,,,

or perhaps this? https://patentscope.wipo.int/search/en/ ... =PCTBIBLIO

A server may provide a task to a device of a user which is communicatively coupled to the server. A sensor communicatively coupled to or comprised in the device of the user may sense body activity of the user. Body activity data may be generated based on the sensed body activity of the user. The cryptocurrency system communicatively coupled to the device of the user may verify if the body activity data satisfies one or more conditions set by the cryptocurrency system, and award cryptocurrency to the user whose body activity data is verified

[Clarity]

Based upon some of the responses many will smile at this: 2525
and many may have seen this to its end: Surrogates

Yes, like it or not, human technology growth is leading us. There is no such thing as "History repeats itself." But it does leave evidence trails...unless it is "erased" in ways the current people have little to no knowledge. This is a flaw that AI cannot overcome...erased data or flawed data; said another way "erased evidence", limited evidence or flawed evidence.

Humans (all of us) are a type of AI machine. Everything in nature exhibits a type of AI machine.

Enjoy the above references.

[williwaw]

There is no such thing as "History repeats itself."

“So we pour in data from the past to fuel the decision-making mechanisms created by our models, be they linear or nonlinear. But therein lies the logician's trap: past data from real life constitute a sequence of events rather than a set of independent observations, which is what the laws of probability demand.[...]It is in those outliers and imperfections that the wildness lurks.”

― Peter L. Bernstein, Against the Gods: The Remarkable Story of Risk

[joet12345]

My view regarding AI is they are currently testing it out in public so later they can inject part og the code to microchips implanted in the brain...meaning, they want to use microchips to control the brain eventually.

When you have an AI helping you, you stop less and less using creativity wich is essential for cognitive reasoning....like working out a muscle every time you walk. If you don't use the brain side of the muscle of creativity, it becomes weak...

Even if you look back to the beginning of human civilization, understanding how and why the rules where written in books plays a vital role in understanding how the complex mind works. For example "morality", what does it mean to a bot? Nothing because a bot is coded to just make money...morality is not codded in to it so it gets lots....

But yeah, preliminary testing to incorporate it later in to actual human brain controlling...

[wiak]

I see it at the local sawmill factory

I am curious. Do you know where the raw materials for the sawmill come from? Local forests or everything imported? I've heard that New Zealand is "obsessed" with the environment.

Local forests. There are some very big forests in New Zealand. Particularly radiata pine.. NZ claims to be very 'green' in terms of environment but actually farming is very intensive here with a lot of river pollution from livestock near the banks and also heavy use of pesticides, fertilizers, and herbiside weedkillers (even neighbours often out and above spraying their glycophosphate all over the place!). So no, NZ has a low human population, and lots of land and lots of talk about environment but farmers have huge political clout and frankly the water in most rivers is slimey yuck. Also they air-drop a poison called 1080 all over their national parks on regular basis - you sometimes see pellets of it lying in some national park rivers - yeah, probably kills lots of possums and rats but most anything else too...

Trees grow fast in NZ so the pine tends to be a bit lightweight (having grown too quick) but there are some other specialist woods such as NZ beech (though restricted use from some native forests such as West Coast South Island) and very very old and expensive large slabs of wood cut from old Kauri trees (swamp Kauri - restricted use/protected, but somehow some companies manage to export to China and other markets) that have been buried for hundreds maybe thousands of years in the ground. Also Macrocarpa big slabs availabe here and there, but the sawmill I'm talking about is mainly processing radiata I think, and though it is probably not so dense as wood in northern Europe the processing is pretty good (these linux machines auto-cutting out sections that have too many knots and so on) so final wood quality is pretty good as far as I've heard..

NZ also has a problem with 'wildling pine': https://www.doc.govt.nz/nature/pests-an ... -conifers/

At certain times of year the air in some places can get heavy pollution from pine-tree pollen - you see it light big green clouds blowing through the air from hillsides full of pine/wildling pine - puts a fine layer of green dust on everything outside at times like these - clothes on washing line, parked cars, messy and bad for respiratory system... but only for a short time each year.

[Grey]

farming is very intensive here with a lot of river pollution from livestock near the banks and also heavy use of pesticides, fertilizers, and herbiside weedkillers

Yeah, I see. It seems zealous farmers and poachers are everywhere on the planet. And the river will not be clean if there are people nearby.

[joet12345]

in some places can get heavy pollution from pine-tree pollen

I have been trying to do this experiment that supposedly pine pollen can boost male testosterone. With out going in to details because I ready don't have the data at hand, there is evidence "they" secretly add female hormones to male products.....yeah I know it sound CRAZY! lol

but either way

you have an opportunity there to do some experimentation in testosterone testing with pine pollen...

Just a random site here just to show that this idea is out there but I have not done any research if it is bogus or if there is merit in it: https://lostempireherbs.com/does-pine-p ... tosterone/

[wiak]

in some places can get heavy pollution from pine-tree pollen

...supposedly pine pollen can boost male testosterone.

hahaha That explains a lot. No wonder the NZ All Blacks win so easily so often at rugby football... But what about the effect on women here?

[joet12345]

in some places can get heavy pollution from pine-tree pollen

...supposedly pine pollen can boost male testosterone.

hahaha That explains a lot. No wonder the NZ All Blacks win so easily so often at rugby football... But what about the effect on women here?

So I hear males dressed as women can compete against REAL women,,

[backi]

[backi]

So I hear males dressed as women can compete against REAL women,,

That was a funny One.
Quite interesting Conclusions.

[Clarity]

"All Blacks win"??? Is that suppose to be some dog-whistle reference to AI?

Not sure of the connection to AI, but ???

[wiak]

"All Blacks win"??? Is that suppose to be some dog-whistle reference to AI?

Not sure of the connection to AI, but ???

According to joet12345, Clarity, pine pollen supposedly increases testosterone. In NZ, once per annum, my car gets covered in green pine pollen dust and clearly we have to breathe the stuff since it is in the air. I don't know if pine pollen boosts testosterone, but if it does then I imagine that increases sporting performance (at least testosterone has to be measured below a certain level for an athlete to compete in Olympics as a woman I have read a few months back - I could be wrong). I imagine most people know the All Blacks are sportsmen (rugby) here in NZ, so I was referring to the possibility their sporting performance could be increased if indeed pine pollen boosts testosterone levels. I presume you understood that. The comments that came about males dressing as women competing against 'real' women is a matter of opinion, but not a conversation I myself have entered into, but... I do know that Caitlyn Jenner, who formerly won an Olympics gold medal (decathlon) when competing as a man (now transgender woman) "opposes transgender girls competing in girls’ sports at school". A tricky situation to decide about really - people born as biological men are surely at an advantage in some sports though.

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radi ... ool-sports

Apparently, New Zealand has a transgender weightlifter competing in Tokyo Olympics so I think that is what the other posters were referring to. The International Olympics Committee backs the selection, however, so I guess they have determined no particular advantage on this occasion.

http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2021-0 ... 067448.htm

None of this has anything whatsoever to do with AI, my own post regarding radiata pine being concerned not with testosterone but with linux automation during wood processing. Grey asked me a question related to the wood processed here and I simply answered that, which somehow resulted in the pine pollen 'information' that may or may not effect (me and) the All Blacks.... However, I feel any debate concerning such matters or even regarding the effects of pine pollen belong only in Truly Off Topics section.