Advocating Puppies, Educating Winsanity

Issues and / or general discussion relating to Puppy

Moderator: Forum moderators

Post Reply
sonny
Posts: 725
Joined: Mon Feb 15, 2021 4:50 pm
Has thanked: 486 times
Been thanked: 173 times

Advocating Puppies, Educating Winsanity

Post by sonny »

williwaw
Posts: 1930
Joined: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:24 pm
Has thanked: 170 times
Been thanked: 364 times

Re: Advocating Puppies, Educating Winsanity

Post by williwaw »

Nice, which pupmode did you chose as default to prevent ransomware attacks?

sonny
Posts: 725
Joined: Mon Feb 15, 2021 4:50 pm
Has thanked: 486 times
Been thanked: 173 times

Re: Advocating Puppies, Educating Winsanity

Post by sonny »

williwaw wrote: Sat Jul 03, 2021 10:23 pm

Nice, which pupmode did you chose as default to prevent ransomware attacks?

13 and monogamous

williwaw
Posts: 1930
Joined: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:24 pm
Has thanked: 170 times
Been thanked: 364 times

Re: Advocating Puppies, Educating Winsanity

Post by williwaw »

sonny wrote: Sat Jul 03, 2021 10:30 pm

and monogamous

this? https://www.npmjs.com/package/monogamous,

not sure what it does

sonny
Posts: 725
Joined: Mon Feb 15, 2021 4:50 pm
Has thanked: 486 times
Been thanked: 173 times

Re: Advocating Puppies, Educating Winsanity

Post by sonny »

williwaw wrote: Sat Jul 03, 2021 11:39 pm
sonny wrote: Sat Jul 03, 2021 10:30 pm

and monogamous

this? https://www.npmjs.com/package/monogamous,

not sure what it does

"One spouse, no sharing".

This is nothing but an example of personalized or groomed Puppy.

williwaw
Posts: 1930
Joined: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:24 pm
Has thanked: 170 times
Been thanked: 364 times

Re: Advocating Puppies, Educating Winsanity

Post by williwaw »

sorry. guess I don't understand your business model. Selling one off puppy installs on a USB?

is there supposed to be sound on the YT vids?

sonny
Posts: 725
Joined: Mon Feb 15, 2021 4:50 pm
Has thanked: 486 times
Been thanked: 173 times

Re: Advocating Puppies, Educating Winsanity

Post by sonny »

williwaw wrote: Sun Jul 04, 2021 12:08 am

sorry. guess I don't understand your business model. Selling one off puppy installs on a USB?

is there supposed to be sound on the YT vids?

Glad you mentioned this, Will ...

Weeks ago I breathed an idea to some top dogs here at the kennels. I told them that I have found a niche market for Puppy as a "USB operating system specialist" and as a "backup/utility" O/S to Windows due to its size, habitat (RAM), etc etc. This is, I think, the real market where Puppy is a sure winner.

So, why don't we think about obtaining a patent for this "Puppy Inside" USB. I'm talking about the utility patent, not the code patent cuz code it's not patentable. I imagine every future PC will be shipped with a tiny USB already plugged-in with Puppy logo on it (done by the eople at the kennels, not amazon, google, facebook, etc).

There is a possibility that future computers will be like VCRs. No internal media. We plug in and eject a "cassette" (i.e. the Puppy USB O/S). It's also good for our earth.

If amazon managed to nail its "1-click" patent for, again, its "utility", not the "codes" ... why can't the kennel people?

PuppyandCo
Posts: 52
Joined: Sun Jan 03, 2021 5:02 pm
Has thanked: 23 times
Been thanked: 9 times

Re: Advocating Puppies, Educating Winsanity

Post by PuppyandCo »

is this test-marketing? I can't see what the Puppy USB would do to recover Windows - is it like the Windows 7 recovery disk but more verbose, less likely to crash, quicker?

as to backup, the desktop paradigm is changed by puppy more radically - I don't need to back up my Windows pcs any more as my data is no longer inside them and my non-windows apps are on puppy USB images that I can just re-burn if I lose the usb or they get glitchy

moving from windows to 1 function per pc also reduces the load on each pc, so they break down far less often and it's compartmentalized. e.g. my document library isn't at risk from crashes that happen while encoding a video

and it turns out Windows is pretty reliable if I never use it for anything :)

EDIT - I've realised the .pngs halfway down bait-and-switch for active content that loads completely different images

https://ghostusb.com/Files/Image/GALERIE/FULL/IMG06.png
"with ghostusb every session feels like a virgin opened for the very first time" - what the hell did I just read?

sonny
Posts: 725
Joined: Mon Feb 15, 2021 4:50 pm
Has thanked: 486 times
Been thanked: 173 times

Re: Advocating Puppies, Educating Winsanity

Post by sonny »

PuppyandCo wrote: Sun Jul 04, 2021 1:02 pm

is this test-marketing? I can't see what the Puppy USB would do to recover Windows - is it like the Windows 7 recovery disk but more verbose, less likely to crash, quicker?

as to backup, the desktop paradigm is changed by puppy more radically - I don't need to back up my Windows pcs any more as my data is no longer inside them and my non-windows apps are on puppy USB images that I can just re-burn if I lose the usb or they get glitchy

moving from windows to 1 function per pc also reduces the load on each pc, so they break down far less often and it's compartmentalized. e.g. my document library isn't at risk from crashes that happen while encoding a video

and it turns out Windows is pretty reliable if I never use it for anything :)

EDIT - I've realised the .pngs halfway down bait-and-switch for active content that loads completely different images

https://ghostusb.com/Files/Image/GALERIE/FULL/IMG06.png
"with ghostusb every session feels like a virgin opened for the very first time" - what the hell did I just read?

This is an example of how Puppy can position itself in the market:

1. As an external media, Puppy can help any internal media with convenience and flexibility, either as a secondary/utility OS or as a lifesaver ("like a private submarine and a lifeboat to a ship"). Life and Windows happen, so having a backup plan is super necessary. That's where Puppy's niche market is.
(I added apps like Clonezilla, Photorec, R-Linux, TestDisk, etc for Windows in case of emergency)

2. This "Puppy Inside" USB's role is indeed made limited. Just like a sidekick; Always stays outside, always there, always boots, care free ... just works!
- Think of it as a taxi
- Think of it as a hotel room
- Think of it as a fire extinguisher
- Think of it as a "standby lover"

PuppyandCo
Posts: 52
Joined: Sun Jan 03, 2021 5:02 pm
Has thanked: 23 times
Been thanked: 9 times

Re: Advocating Puppies, Educating Winsanity

Post by PuppyandCo »

like Strelec but a puppy, and paid-for?

https://sergeistrelec.ru/bootable_flash/

Windows shouldn't need to be backed up - users only need it for the few things we can't Puppify.

It's one of the most useable fileservers - requiring no configuration to turn anything made since ~2010 into a solid fileserver. So our personal files shouldn't be on a Windows partition anymore.
People who do work on their PCs can put another puppy together for DTP, LibreOffice and (hopefully) other things needed for work, I've done Teams and Zoom. Hopefully only a few applications then need the windows PC open and it can be used just for those.
Then another puppy for viewing media if they are like most of us and use the PC for that too.
Another for gaming (Puppy is overlooked for this because it's often used on old PCs but via Wine it can run about 2/3rds of the windows-format games on Steam, plus the Linux ones)
Another for email+web browsing, social, perhaps bit-torrent - so viruses and hacking start to be a bit compartmentalized away from the other pcs on the network as this puppy can fall over first
Then a graphic design one, a music one, whatever - the only thing I doubt can be Puppified usefully is academic/science where so much of the software is proprietary and windows-based
Or it can become an NVR for CCTV

Either the current PC and a few old ones from the garage brought back into productive use, or 1 pc with a selection of Puppies for different roles

The user settings of each one are FAR less valuable than of a Windows desktop with everything in one place, e.g. if the internet one becomes corrupted I can re-burn it or install a new puppy with just the web browser to configure and connect to my backup of the profile
Also disk repair and data recovery are now a hugely less prominent feature of life - much of the wear is shifted from a large expensive Windows drive onto cheap USBs, which are no longer where the valuable data is

This leaves the Windows being booted into occasionally - if someone sends a file I can't open. One day hopefully it will be switched on for the last time :)

Last edited by PuppyandCo on Sun Jul 04, 2021 6:51 pm, edited 1 time in total.
PuppyandCo
Posts: 52
Joined: Sun Jan 03, 2021 5:02 pm
Has thanked: 23 times
Been thanked: 9 times

Re: Advocating Puppies, Educating Winsanity

Post by PuppyandCo »

As to the marketing - this should align to where the value is created, which I think for Puppy is in freedom and versatility, being able to quickly/conveniently make task-dedicated PCs for any conceivable role, and with root as single-user for those who prefer this to the other Linuxes. And for your product it's the tailoring of a puppy to meet Windows shortcomings. I would brand it "Guide-Dog" as it is about helping the blind :D

Being available as a platform to run widely-known open source software is minor - can it terminate processes on the windows box better than Windows 7's lousy Task Manager and replace that with the Ctrl+Alt+F2 approach of Linux? Can it take over the file transfer processes that are notoriously slow and buggy on Windows 7 - that type of thing

Can the windows pc's internet be routed through it to intercept Microsoft's and others' telemetry? Can it help the windows pc to see Linux networks which is sometimes a headache.

sonny
Posts: 725
Joined: Mon Feb 15, 2021 4:50 pm
Has thanked: 486 times
Been thanked: 173 times

Re: Advocating Puppies, Educating Winsanity

Post by sonny »

"Puppy USB" is for people on the other side of the kennels:

1. Those who are clueless what "Linux" is
2. Those who think what kinda pet "Puppy" is
3. Those whose computers no longer have a CD/DVD burner
4. Those who don't have a USB media on hand
5. Those who simply don't have time to do ISO/Img-to-USB thing
7. Those who don't know how to flash an image
8. Those who are clueless with Rufus' MBR, GPT, DD, etc

Unfortunately, those people belong to the big market and we, the kennel mob, are living in the small market.

I may never need nor use Uber Eats, Grubhub, Just Eat ... but other people may always do.
That's freedom! Freedom to offer, freedom to choose.
What's wrong with that?
Some may feel those services are not needed, some may think otherwise.

User avatar
BologneChe
Posts: 510
Joined: Sun Aug 23, 2020 12:29 am
Location: Stoneham, Québec
Has thanked: 318 times
Been thanked: 140 times

Re: Advocating Puppies, Educating Winsanity

Post by BologneChe »

sonny wrote: Sun Jul 04, 2021 6:58 pm

"Puppy USB" is for people on the other side of the kennels:

1. Those who are clueless what "Linux" is
2. Those who think what kinda pet "Puppy" is
3. Those whose computers no longer have a CD/DVD burner
4. Those who don't have a USB media on hand
5. Those who simply don't have time to do ISO/Img-to-USB thing
7. Those who don't know how to flash an image
8. Those who are clueless with Rufus' MBR, GPT, DD, etc

Unfortunately, those people belong to the big market and we, the kennel mob, are living in the small market.

I may never need nor use Uber Eats, Grubhub, Just Eat ... but other people may always do.
That's freedom! Freedom to offer, freedom to choose.
What's wrong with that?
Some may feel those services are not needed, some may think otherwise.

In the world of Puppies, however, there are certain irritants. Operating peripherals is not always easy, the translations are faulty, updating browsers is a bit special, the user interface comes from another era. It is very unintuitive. Personally, I use Solus and macOS. The Puppy is a hobby. I run them under USB or on Virtualbox.

Born to lose; live to win

williwaw
Posts: 1930
Joined: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:24 pm
Has thanked: 170 times
Been thanked: 364 times

Re: Advocating Puppies, Educating Winsanity

Post by williwaw »

sonny wrote: Sun Jul 04, 2021 12:49 am

There is a possibility that future computers will be like VCRs. No internal media. We plug in and eject a "cassette" (i.e. the Puppy USB O/S). It's also good for our earth.

Possibly, but from what I see, most hardware vendors will build to suit the planned obsolesce model of Apple,Google and MS.

Maybe there will be opportunities for selling more than USB sticks, ie refurbished laptops

sonny
Posts: 725
Joined: Mon Feb 15, 2021 4:50 pm
Has thanked: 486 times
Been thanked: 173 times

Re: Advocating Puppies, Educating Winsanity

Post by sonny »

williwaw wrote: Sun Jul 04, 2021 7:58 pm
sonny wrote: Sun Jul 04, 2021 12:49 am

There is a possibility that future computers will be like VCRs. No internal media. We plug in and eject a "cassette" (i.e. the Puppy USB O/S). It's also good for our earth.

Possibly, but from what I see, most hardware vendors will build to suit the planned obsolesce model of Apple,Google and MS.

Maybe there will be opportunities for selling more than USB sticks, ie refurbished laptops

I meant future computers may be designed and optimized for removable media.
Why do hardware & storage must be cramped into the same case as if they will last forever.

So, HDD or SSD will be insertable like a cassette for convenience, security, and privacy. No to mention systems that operate in a USB media.

https://www.amazon.com/ICY-DOCK-Trayles ... ast_sto_dp

PuppyandCo
Posts: 52
Joined: Sun Jan 03, 2021 5:02 pm
Has thanked: 23 times
Been thanked: 9 times

Re: Advocating Puppies, Educating Winsanity

Post by PuppyandCo »

there is Boot-from-LAN, soon maybe Boot-from-WEB

keep puppies in the cloud and scan their addresses into the BIOS with a 2D barcode :)

sonny
Posts: 725
Joined: Mon Feb 15, 2021 4:50 pm
Has thanked: 486 times
Been thanked: 173 times

Re: Advocating Puppies, Educating Winsanity

Post by sonny »

BologneChe wrote: Sun Jul 04, 2021 7:51 pm
sonny wrote: Sun Jul 04, 2021 6:58 pm

"Puppy USB" is for people on the other side of the kennels:

1. Those who are clueless what "Linux" is
2. Those who think what kinda pet "Puppy" is
3. Those whose computers no longer have a CD/DVD burner
4. Those who don't have a USB media on hand
5. Those who simply don't have time to do ISO/Img-to-USB thing
7. Those who don't know how to flash an image
8. Those who are clueless with Rufus' MBR, GPT, DD, etc

Unfortunately, those people belong to the big market and we, the kennel mob, are living in the small market.

I may never need nor use Uber Eats, Grubhub, Just Eat ... but other people may always do.
That's freedom! Freedom to offer, freedom to choose.
What's wrong with that?
Some may feel those services are not needed, some may think otherwise.

In the world of Puppies, however, there are certain irritants. Operating peripherals is not always easy, the translations are faulty, updating browsers is a bit special, the user interface comes from another era. It is very unintuitive. Personally, I use Solus and macOS. The Puppy is a hobby. I run them under USB or on Virtualbox.

Only one of these five computers (top left) has Windows and I barely turn it on.
As much as love Mac, only Puppy can fire up all five in full-blown mode (not just live) at any time.
No distros can do it.

Desktopdown.png
Desktopdown.png (501.84 KiB) Viewed 472 times
williwaw
Posts: 1930
Joined: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:24 pm
Has thanked: 170 times
Been thanked: 364 times

Re: Advocating Puppies, Educating Winsanity

Post by williwaw »

sonny wrote: Sun Jul 04, 2021 9:08 pm

I meant future computers may be designed and optimized for removable media.

My guess is the mainstream will be ushered towards a subscription model where both hardware and software will be supplied under a contract.

And for "security" reasons, constantly updated ie.hardware being obsoleted/abandoned.

sonny
Posts: 725
Joined: Mon Feb 15, 2021 4:50 pm
Has thanked: 486 times
Been thanked: 173 times

Re: Advocating Puppies, Educating Winsanity

Post by sonny »

williwaw wrote: Sun Jul 04, 2021 10:31 pm
sonny wrote: Sun Jul 04, 2021 9:08 pm

I meant future computers may be designed and optimized for removable media.

My guess is the mainstream will be ushered towards a subscription model where both hardware and software will be supplied under a contract.

And for "security" reasons, constantly updated ie.hardware being obsoleted/abandoned.

Expect to see more eco and climate friendly computers with this footprint; running cooler due internal media absence (more space, less heat inside).
USB is going nowhere but more capacity, faster, and cooler on the "outside".
No need to open the computer case ever when upgrading media.

This is what I'm talking about. The perfect habitat and perfect future for our Puppy!
Also, if you are a secret agent, just unplug your Puppy USB and crush it after use. Mission impossible accomplished!

TC.jpg
TC.jpg (23.97 KiB) Viewed 463 times
Post Reply

Return to “Users”