Wacom intuos PS tablet - as mouse?

[greengeek]

I have a Wacom Intuos tablet that i was hoping to use to control the cursor when using mtpaint on a Slacko 5.6 derivative but it does not seem to be recognised. (I thought it might be detected as a mouse or HID).

It does work perfectly when used on UpupBB (32bit) without any extra efforts on my part - i just plug it in and it works. So I assume that the kernel on my pup (kernel 3.4.52) is not aware of this tablet.

Is there any easy way I can make my pup recognise this tablet?

dmesg shows the following after plugging in the tablet:

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[  318.476800] usb 5-1: new full-speed USB device number 2 using uhci_hcd
[  318.635166] usb 5-1: New USB device found, idVendor=056a, idProduct=033b
[  318.635175] usb 5-1: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=0
[  318.635183] usb 5-1: Product: Intuos PS
[  318.635188] usb 5-1: Manufacturer: Wacom Co.,Ltd.

Thanks in advance for any advice.
cheers!

[bigpup]

menu->Setup->Mouse/keyboard Wizard->Touchpad

What happens?

Maybe something here will help.
Wacom device support on Linux
https://linuxwacom.github.io/
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[greengeek]

Hi Bigpup, thanks for the reply.

When I follow your instruction I just get the flsynclient adjustment dialog which i normally use for my touchpad. As far as I can see there is no indication that these settings could be applied to the Wacom.

(I do see a setting that I never noted previously - saying "guest mouse off" and this is unchecked at present)

[bigpup]

Maybe something here will help.
Wacom device support on Linux
https://linuxwacom.github.io/
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[bigpup]

If this computer has a touchpad.

Try turning it off in menu->Setup->Mouse/keyboard Wizard->Touchpad.

I have to do this on my laptop, when using a mouse, so the mouse and touchpad are not both trying to control cursor.

If a desktop computer.
Try it with no mouse plugged in.
Only the Wacom Intuos tablet

[greengeek]

If this computer has a touchpad.
Try turning it off in menu->Setup->Mouse/keyboard Wizard->Touchpad.

Yes, this is a laptop with Touchpad - i just tried what you suggested but still no recognition of the Wacom. (bit of a struggle to get the touchpad working again but finally got there...)

[bigpup]

Maybe something here will help.
Wacom device support on Linux
https://linuxwacom.github.io/
.

Probably needs something from here.

[greengeek]

Thanks Bigpup. I am gradually trolling through that stuff now. Bit daunting unfortunately, but definitely feels like the answer is there - if I can just pick the bones correctly.
cheers for the help!
gg

[scsijon]

sorry to be getting to this late, but i'm moving webhosts and rebuilding my website at present.

If your still having problems>

To start with, do you have the wacom packages installed?

There are wacom parts in the kernel that are usually needed to be turned on. Check with the kernel builder if they were and was it as a module or inbuilt, both for tablet and pen. Then check if they actually exist in your system.

If you give me the model for your tablet, (alpha and numbers please,) i'll check my systems and see what i can do.

[greengeek]

Hi scsijon,

in my system (It is a Slacko 5.6 derivative with no savefile - only remastered as necessary) i can see the following files:

/lib/modules/3.4.52/kernel/drivers/hid/hid-wacom.ko

/lib/modules/3.4.52/kernel/drivers/input/tablet/wacom.ko

(3.4.52 matches my kernel and these files will always have been there - not added by me)

As far as I can tell from some of the threads I have read i need kernel drivers (i assume that is what these two files are...) and also Xorg drivers.

I found wacom-0.8.4-4_xorg_driver.pet in a Pizzasgood thread but don't know if it is appropriate for my system. I also found a wacom_tools-0.8.4-4.pet in the same thread and as far as i can tell these tools do work in my system.

Model seems to be "CTL-490 Pen Tablet" although one label calls it CTL-490/B

The dmesg output showing the usb identifiers is as listed in my first post above.

Any help much appreciated. Cheers!
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[mikewalsh]

@greengeek :-

Now, I'm well aware you're averse to spending unnecessary moolah, Ian...

However; this IS only a suggestion, albeit a fairly inexpensive one.

I do a lot of graphics design stuff.....and I mean, a LOT. The GIMP; an older Photoshop CS2 under WINE; MyPaint; Pencil 2D, etc.....and of course, Mooi's PhotoScape 3.7, which I've used for years and years. Most of them require the ability to move the cursor around a work area.....and, while you can DO this with a mouse, it's less than ideal.

I, too, investigated the tablet route quite a while ago, steadily coming to the conclusion that

a) It was a lot of complexity for what I wanted, and
b) It was a PITA to get working!

I was happy enough using a mouse.....but what would be better would be to have one that was shaped like a pen, instead. Until a couple of years ago such things did, indeed, exist, but they were darned expensive. Around 2 years ago, there was suddenly an explosion of these things coming out of the Far East (or the 'North', I guess, in your case!), mostly based around a generic design that, nevertheless, proved to be very easy to use.....since it was, after all, just standard mouse components packaged in a different & unique way.

I sent off for one; at around GBP £10, it wasn't going to break the bank if it DID prove to be less than ideal. No word of a lie, it's one of the best investments I ever made....

Works via the standard USB mouse driver.....and every Linux kernel has one of those.

-----------------------------------------

Here ya go; "local" Amazon for you:-

https://www.amazon.com.au/Wireless-Lych ... 73&sr=1-5

Here's mine:-

[Click to enlarge:-]





Like I said, it's ONLY a suggestion. But it won't break the bank to try.....


Mike.

[greengeek]

Now, I'm well aware you're averse to spending unnecessary moolah However; this IS only a suggestion, albeit a fairly inexpensive one.

Hi Mike, actually i am a shopaholic and love nothing more than collecting computing related paraphenalia for trial purposes. I wish i could show you my collection of mice and mice substitutes
When my parents were in their last years i tried to assemble some sort of alternative mouse that an old person could understand and manipulate successfully (preferably without the need to move and click in one co-ordinated motion). I never found the sweet spot before they passed on. Still surprises me how little hardware there is that is suitable for an older, less agile person to use successfully for PC control purposes...

what would be better would be to have one that was shaped like a pen...just standard mouse components packaged in a different & unique way.....at around GBP £10, it wasn't going to break the bank if it DID prove to be less than ideal. No word of a lie, it's one of the best investments I ever made....

Crikey £10 !&*%? At current exchange rates thats more than the GDP of New Zealand!

Actually - i bought the Intuos at a salvation army thrift store for NZ $10 which seemed well worth a go. I am still hoping to make it work on my old Slacko5.6 as it works really well on newer pups (even xSlacko Slim 4r44 which i love...)

I, too, investigated the tablet route quite a while ago, steadily coming to the conclusion that

a) It was a lot of complexity for what I wanted, and
b) It was a PITA to get working!

Fast coming to the same conclusion myself.
Looks as if i need to do this for the Wacom:
- Find/make a new kernel driver to match my model of Intuos
- Find/make a suitable Xorg driver
- Find the correct version of Wacom tools
- Modify Xorg.cof server layout and input device sections
- Recover from 2 weeks of extreme caffeine intake and associated headaches.

I don't easily give up but can see this potentially becoming another of my "background" projects (I have too many on the back burner already and the murga-linux hiatus didnt help keep track of things...)

EDIT : Just found the product you mentioned (or possibly a similar knock-off) on our local Tademe website so my finger is hovering over the buynow button right now...

[perdido]

Hi greengeek,

From this page https://github.com/linuxwacom/input-wac ... Device-IDs

The "Linux" column indicates that minimum kernel version that natively supports the tablet. The "input-wacom" column indicates the minimum kernel version that the tablet can be made to work with if you install the input-wacom driver.

Your device
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USB Peripherals
Device ID 	Model Number 	Model Name 	   Notes 	   Linux 	input-wacom 	libwacom

056a:033b 	      CTL-490 	     Intuos Draw small 		     4.4 	    2.6.30*† 	   0.16
 	

Minimum native kernel support is kernel 4.4 That explains bionic working, it has 4.9.163

It looks like you need to compile the "input-wacom" driver for your kernel.

Installing input wacom from source
That creates new wacom.ko and wacom_w8001.ko drivers.

I do not have a wacom device so my interpetation may be skewed

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[greengeek]

Thanks Perdido - great to have confirmation that my version of wacom.ko is definitely too old. Good to know where to start.
cheers!

[greengeek]

I tried to follow the instructions at that link but the build apparently failed.

I have the Slacko 5.6 devx loaded but it looks as if it is needing "kernel source/headers"

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# if test -x ./autogen.sh; then ./autogen.sh; else ./configure; fi && make && sudo make install || echo "Build Failed"
checking for a BSD-compatible install... /usr/bin/ginstall -c
checking whether build environment is sane... yes
checking for a thread-safe mkdir -p... ./install-sh -c -d
checking for gawk... gawk
checking whether make sets $(MAKE)... yes
checking whether make supports nested variables... yes
checking whether to enable maintainer-specific portions of Makefiles... no
checking for gcc... gcc
checking whether the C compiler works... yes
checking for C compiler default output file name... a.out
checking for suffix of executables... 
checking whether we are cross compiling... no
checking for suffix of object files... o
checking whether we are using the GNU C compiler... yes
checking whether gcc accepts -g... yes
checking for gcc option to accept ISO C89... none needed
checking whether gcc understands -c and -o together... yes
checking whether make supports the include directive... yes (GNU style)
checking dependency style of gcc... none
checking if build path '/root/input-wacom-0.46.0' has spaces... no
checking for kernel type... Linux
checking for linux-based kernel... yes
checking for kernel source/headers... not found
configure: WARNING: Unable to find build config in any of:
	  [/lib/modules/3.4.52/source],
	  [/lib/modules/3.4.52/build],
	  [/usr/src/linux],
	  [/usr/src/linux-3.4.52],
	  [/usr/src/linux-2.6]
	
configure: WARNING: Kernel directory does not appear to have needed config files
checking kernel version... 
configure: WARNING: Spcified '3.4.52' kernel, but found '' instead
configure: error: We could not find the development environment to build modules for the '3.4.52' kernel within the '' directory. Please install the kernel source or the kernel development package and try again.
Build Failed
# 

Any tips?

[mikewalsh]

@greengeek :-

Ian, if I follow Micko's advice correctly on the original 5.6.0 thread:-

http://oldforum.puppylinux.com/puppy/vi ... d510ab1caa

.....about the kernel sources being "up at the main repo", I believe you'll find what you want here:-

http://distro.ibiblio.org/puppylinux/pe ... -slacko14/

Normally, these things come as an SFS, but it looks like Micko built some of them for the 'Slackware 14'-based Pups as .pet packages, some as SFS. You're not using the default k3.10.5, are you? I think you'll find the one you need here - k3.4.something, didn't you say? - but it might be worthwhile turning it into an SFS. Still, with your set-up, it wouldn't make a lot of difference whether .pet or SFS.....no save, is there?

EDIT:- I think this is the one you want - k3.4.52, right? This is a direct link, and it's an SFS, this one:-

http://distro.ibiblio.org/puppylinux/pe ... g_f2fs.pet

See if that helps, 'cos I'm pretty certain you've got the right of it; kernel sources are definitely needed when attempting to build modules, as they have to match the exact kernel version in use.


Mike.

[greengeek]

I believe you'll find what you want here:-

http://distro.ibiblio.org/puppylinux/pe ... -slacko14/

EDIT:- I think this is the one you want - k3.4.52, right? This is a direct link, and it's an SFS, this one:-

http://distro.ibiblio.org/puppylinux/pe ... g_f2fs.pet

See if that helps, 'cos I'm pretty certain you've got the right of it; kernel sources are definitely needed when attempting to build modules, as they have to match the exact kernel version in use.

Many thanks Mike !

I tried the pet you linked above and still got the BuildFailed result - but it seems that was only the kernel headers and when i looked at the ibiblio index that you linked i also saw an sfs for kernel sources so i downloaded that as well.

After that the compile completed ok.

I had two choices for the compile - one was using a ./configure method that i found on a YT video here (which would probably have left me with the files ready to install) and the other option which was suggested at Perdido's link above:

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# if test -x ./autogen.sh; then ./autogen.sh; else ./configure; fi && make && sudo make install || echo "Build Failed"

- which ran the compile and ALSO installed the resulting files in the correct place.

So after running that command i was able to plug in the tablet and PRESTO - it works as a mouse !


Next test: is it just a mouse or is it pressure sensitive too....

Will report back.
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[greengeek]

Also - at that ibiblio link i did a search on "3.4.52" and it showed up a number of other offerings that are specific to my kernel (such as nvidia drivers etc) so i downloaded those gems as well.

cheers for that!

[greengeek]

Hmmmm, i an confused by the output of the compile process as it refers to files for kernel 2.6.38 which is way earlier than mine.
(OK - they seem to be working but the file names are not what i expected and i can't find where exactly they have been installed)

Not sure what to make of this, and not sure which files to keep for re-use on next boot (bearing in mnd i have no savefile so i need to keep the correct files and reload them in the correct place...)

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# if test -x ./autogen.sh; then ./autogen.sh; else ./configure; fi && make && sudo make install || echo "Build Failed"
checking for a BSD-compatible install... /usr/bin/ginstall -c
checking whether build environment is sane... yes
checking for a thread-safe mkdir -p... ./install-sh -c -d
checking for gawk... gawk
checking whether make sets $(MAKE)... yes
checking whether make supports nested variables... yes
checking whether to enable maintainer-specific portions of Makefiles... no
checking for gcc... gcc
checking whether the C compiler works... yes
checking for C compiler default output file name... a.out
checking for suffix of executables... 
checking whether we are cross compiling... no
checking for suffix of object files... o
checking whether we are using the GNU C compiler... yes
checking whether gcc accepts -g... yes
checking for gcc option to accept ISO C89... none needed
checking whether gcc understands -c and -o together... yes
checking whether make supports the include directive... yes (GNU style)
checking dependency style of gcc... none
checking if build path '/root/input-wacom-0.46.0' has spaces... no
checking for kernel type... Linux
checking for linux-based kernel... yes
checking for kernel source/headers... /lib/modules/3.4.52/source
checking kernel version... 3.4.52
checking RHEL6 minor release... 0
checking RHEL7 minor release... 0
checking power supply version... pre-v4.1
checking abs accessor version... v2.6.36+
checking CONFIG_MODULE_SIG... 
checking CONFIG_MODULE_SIG_FORCE... 
checking CONFIG_LOCK_DOWN_KERNEL... 
checking CONFIG_LOCK_DOWN_IN_EFI_SECURE_BOOT... 
checking secure boot state... off
checking if modules must be signed... no
checking CONFIG_MODULE_SIG_HASH... 
checking for module signing hash algorithm... sha512
checking for kernel autogenerated key at /lib/modules/3.4.52/source/... no
checking for kernel autogenerated cert at /lib/modules/3.4.52/source/certs/signing_key.x509... no
checking for shim MOK key at /var/lib/shim-signed/mok/MOK.priv... no
checking for shim MOK cert at /var/lib/shim-signed/mok/MOK.der... no
checking for rEFInd MOK key at /etc/refind.d/keys/refind_local.key... no
checking for rEFInd MOK cert at /etc/refind.d/keys/refind_local.cer... no
checking for module signing key... 
checking for module signing certificate... 

checking that generated files are newer than configure... done
configure: creating ./config.status
config.status: creating Makefile
config.status: creating 2.6.32/Makefile
config.status: creating 2.6.38/Makefile
config.status: creating 3.7/Makefile
config.status: creating 3.17/Makefile
config.status: creating 4.5/Makefile
config.status: creating config.h
config.status: executing depfiles commands
configure:
----------------------------------------
  BUILD ENVIRONMENT:
       linux kernel - yes 2.6.38
      kernel source - yes /lib/modules/3.4.52/source

NOTE: The kernel drivers included in this package are only tested with the
X Wacom driver built from xf86-input-wacom. If you are running an X server
version older than 1.7, please use the drivers provided by the linuxwacom
package.

Please run 'make && make install'.
make  all-recursive
make[1]: Entering directory `/root/input-wacom-0.46.0'
Making all in 2.6.38
make[2]: Entering directory `/root/input-wacom-0.46.0/2.6.38'
    Building input-wacom drivers for 2.6.38 kernel.
make -C /lib/modules/3.4.52/source M=/root/input-wacom-0.46.0/2.6.38
make[3]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux'
  LD      /root/input-wacom-0.46.0/2.6.38/built-in.o
  CC [M]  /root/input-wacom-0.46.0/2.6.38/wacom_wac.o
  CC [M]  /root/input-wacom-0.46.0/2.6.38/wacom_sys.o
  LD [M]  /root/input-wacom-0.46.0/2.6.38/wacom.o
  CC [M]  /root/input-wacom-0.46.0/2.6.38/wacom_w8001.o
  Building modules, stage 2.
  MODPOST 2 modules
  CC      /root/input-wacom-0.46.0/2.6.38/wacom.mod.o
  LD [M]  /root/input-wacom-0.46.0/2.6.38/wacom.ko
  CC      /root/input-wacom-0.46.0/2.6.38/wacom_w8001.mod.o
  LD [M]  /root/input-wacom-0.46.0/2.6.38/wacom_w8001.ko
make[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux'
make[2]: Leaving directory `/root/input-wacom-0.46.0/2.6.38'
make[2]: Entering directory `/root/input-wacom-0.46.0'
make[2]: Leaving directory `/root/input-wacom-0.46.0'
make[1]: Leaving directory `/root/input-wacom-0.46.0'
Making install in 2.6.38
make[1]: Entering directory `/root/input-wacom-0.46.0/2.6.38'
make -C /lib/modules/3.4.52/source M=/root/input-wacom-0.46.0/2.6.38 modules_install
make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux'
  INSTALL /root/input-wacom-0.46.0/2.6.38/wacom.ko
  INSTALL /root/input-wacom-0.46.0/2.6.38/wacom_w8001.ko
  DEPMOD  3.4.52
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux'
mkdir -p /etc/depmod.d
echo "override wacom * extra" > /etc/depmod.d/input-wacom.conf
PATH="/bin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/X11R7/bin:/root/my-applications/bin:/usr/games:/bin:/sbin" depmod -a 3.4.52
make[1]: Leaving directory `/root/input-wacom-0.46.0/2.6.38'
make[1]: Entering directory `/root/input-wacom-0.46.0'
make[2]: Entering directory `/root/input-wacom-0.46.0'
make[2]: Nothing to be done for `install-exec-am'.
make[2]: Nothing to be done for `install-data-am'.
make[2]: Leaving directory `/root/input-wacom-0.46.0'
make[1]: Leaving directory `/root/input-wacom-0.46.0'
# 

[greengeek]

...seems as if the new files got installed in the new directory /lib/modules/3.4.52/extra

Somehow the compile process redirected the system to access the wacom drivers in this "extra" directory.

Hmmmmm, oh well i will copy those files and try installing them somewhere next boot...

[mikewalsh]

I tried the pet you linked above and still got the BuildFailed result - but it seems that was only the kernel headers and when i looked at the ibiblio index that you linked i also saw an sfs for kernel sources so i downloaded that as well.

Oops! Sorry; my bad. As always, I was doing this in the wee small hours when I'm half asleep...

It's unusual to see the two separate like that, though Micko no doubt had his reasons. As I understand it, they're usually combined into the kernel sources SFS..?

Anyway; nice to see you're now sorted..!


Mike.

[mikewalsh]

@greengeek :-

Ian, you're a b*@!#r, mate..! You've gone & got me re-visiting the whole tablet idea again...

I've found a couple of possibles on eBay UK. An Intuos, very similar to yours - I've already put in a bid for this one:-

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Wacom-CTL-49 ... 2763.l2648

...and a Bamboo (very stylish, but I don't know what the support's like for this one; from the sound of things, one like yours shouldn't take too much tiffling-around to get working!) :-

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Wacom-Bamboo ... 0290.m3507

QUESTION:- How thick is the Intuos? (How deep? And is it heavy?) Also, is it wireless.....or cable connected? Rechargeable batteries.....or replaceable?

Just need some idea, like. Cheers.


Mike.

[wiak]

One old machine I had lying in the cupboard for some years after buying it for the equivalent of around twenty-five US dollars was an old HP Elitebook 2730p from year 2008 that had a wiped 120GB harddrive, a working SD card slot, but no working usb ports (and therefore no mouse could be used). Earlier this year I used the SD card to boot it and installed WeeDogLinux Arch64 onto its harddrive from the same SD card. I mention this here because the 12.5 inch screen of this funny wee machine is actually also a fullscreen touchpad (i.e. has a thin tipped pen for drawing/writing directly on the screen - being thin and hard-tipped the pen is very accurate for drawing - not a big soft blobby thing such as is often used on Android tablets).

https://support.hp.com/nz-en/document/c01554142

The HP EliteBook 2730p Notebook PC starting at only 3.7 lb /1.7 kg and 1.11 in/28.2 mm thin, the HP EliteBook 2730p Notebook PC offers the functionality of a notebook plus the flexibility of a tablet.

Turned out it is wacom driver compatible and WeeDogLinux Arch64 comes with the correct drivers. To get it working with X windows all I had to do was use Arch pacman to install xf86-input-wacom, and the pen worked straight away (the cursor moves without even having to make contact with the screen - just hover over it and has buttons that work like left/right of a mouse).

Anyway, despite my having regarded it as a piece of junk and left gathering dust for so long in the cupboard, now that I've put WDL Arch on it my 8 years old son won't let anyone else use it (not even me); he uses it to create animations - usually via some Scratch program, but is also pretty good now with both Inkscape (full version) and Blender and I have to say it is amazing watching how fast and accurate he can draw and manipulate drawings with the pen. Seeing just how useful for graphics image manipulation work it is I rather regret not keeping it for myself, but too late now...

wiak

[jamesbond]

Old thread for old puppy: http://oldforum.puppylinux.com/puppy/vi ... hp?t=16491
There are 27 pages, not that much to browse.

[greengeek]

Ian, you're a b*@!#r, mate..! You've gone & got me re-visiting the whole tablet idea again...

Mwahaahaahaaaa - just returning the favour since i shall probably end up with one of the air mice such as you posted

QUESTION:- How thick is the Intuos? (How deep? And is it heavy?)

Very light - maybe weighs similar to a small cork-backed table mat? (How's that for a new international weight standard). External dimensions are 210x170 with the active area approx 180x120 as far as i can tell. The thickness is approx 5mm at front edge tapering to approx 9mm at rear - with the pen (which slots into the black loop at the rear edge) being about 10-12mm diameter

Also, is it wireless.....or cable connected? Rechargeable batteries.....or replaceable?

This has a connector for a micro usb cable, but also has a receptacle for what appears to be a small Lithium battery (Maybe Nokia BL5C or similar) although it did not come with battery. Also it has a receptacle for what it calls a "wireless module" and that appears to slot into a USB-C, and also has a retaining slot for what it calls a "usb wireless dongle" so i assume that if you fit the wireless module you also get a dongle for the PC and just plug it into the PC to connect. I do not have the dongle - At this stage I am only using the usb cable to access.

It also has 3 spare "pen nibs" tucked in there.

Looks like it is designed to be a very cute and portable unit.

Quite amazing how much they have packed into this thing.

[mikewalsh]

@greengeek @-

Well, I'll wait & see if my bid is successful on eBay. If it is.....then let the "fun" begin!

I'll refer back to this thread so I have some idea of how to go about compiling the modules. Shouldn't be a problem for 4 out of my 6 current Pups, but the other 2 are "FrankenPuppies", and as such the devx won't match with the kernel sources, etc...

Ne'm mind. We'll see what happens.


Mike.

[fjsmalaga]

I am using a XP-Pen : https://www.xp-pen.com ( Deco 01 ) tablet which does have official linux drivers

it works with pressure sensitivity from the go. Express Keys, if working, may need to be set in commandline though.

If it doesn't work, DIGImend provides more drivers. From the github page : https://github.com/DIGImend/digimend-ke ... /README.md . According to this page the Deco 01 is supported.