What to do with .webp? [Solved] I think

[Sky Aisling]

Hi all, Happy Valentine's Day.

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See Mochi's post viewtopic.php?p=17659#p17659
Looks like there is a new image file extension showing up on the web, .webp.
I'm using BionicBeaver(64) and not able to open the file after I down load an image. Extension not recognized.
Distro: bionicpup64 8.0
Window Manager: JWM v2.3.7
Desktop Start: xwin jwm

Is this something I fix in the browser, Firefox.esr - 78.5.0esr?
Or
Is this something I fix in BionicBeaver(64)?
Or
?
Thank you in advance for any suggestions.
Sky

[mikewalsh]

@Sky Aisling :-

Hallo, Sky.

Your initial assessment is absolutely correct. WebP is a 'new' image format, intendeded to give better image compression & clarity in both "lossy" & "lossless" variants. It was originally designed exclusively for web use. Developed by Google, it's a "sister" project to the WebM video container.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebP

It has been around for a while; Google began development at least a decade ago, but it's only recently been seen 'in the wild' outside of the Google-sphere. The Wikipedia article DOES list those desktop 'apps' that apparently support WebP natively. Like you, I've only recently begun to encounter it in wider usage; I guess we'll be seeing a lot more of it in years to come.

Recent 2.10 builds of the G.I.M.P will open it; I've just d/l'ed a sample WebP file, and used GIMP 2.10 to open it with. Rox, for some reason, assigns it the same icon as an audio clip - the "double-note" (/x-riff 'run action')- but GIMP 2.10 will open and display it, correctly.

Mike.

[Sky Aisling]

Thanks, Mike,
Are you able to open the .webp images? I can download them, but, not open them.
If so, how?
Sky

[Sky Aisling]

Rox, for some reason, assigns it the same icon as an audio clip - the "double-note" (/x-riff 'run action')- but GIMP 2.10 will open and display it, correctly.

I tried opening it in MtPaint, "file format not recognized".
Gimp is a huge program that I leave off my OSes as a rule.
Yes, a double music note as the associated icon.
I can change the file extension in MtPaint, then save, but, the save doesn't show up anywhere.
A puzzlement.

Sky

[mikewalsh]

@Sky Aisling :-

See above.

A dev by the name of 'aferrero' maintains a 'continuous' AppImage build of GIMP 2.10 over at Github. These AppImages work flawlessly in recent 64-bit Puppies; I've been using them for quite some time now.

There's a huge list of these - over 140 of them..! The following is a direct link to the newest release of this that will run OK for you - the 'full' build with all plug-ins included:-

https://github.com/aferrero2707/gimp-ap ... 4.AppImage

I'll warn you; this is a big download. 168MB in total.....but all you do is to rt-clk->Properties->check all 3 'Exec' boxes down the bottom->Refresh->OK. Then a left-click should launch it; it takes a few seconds for anything to happen, because these unpack themselves into /tmp for the duration, and run from there.....

Mike.

[mikewalsh]

Rox, for some reason, assigns it the same icon as an audio clip - the "double-note" (/x-riff 'run action')- but GIMP 2.10 will open and display it, correctly.

I tried opening it in MtPaint, "file format not recognized".
Gimp is a huge program that I leave off my OSes as a rule.
Yes, a double music note as the associated icon.
I can change the file extension in MtPaint, then save, but, the save doesn't show up anywhere.
A puzzlement.

Sky

Unfortunately, all the apps that currently support it are either Windoze apps (need running via WINE) - or 'heavyweight' Linux apps. There simply aren't any small, lightweight, Puppy-type apps that yet support it.

Might be simplest just to avoid .webp images!

Mike.

[Sky Aisling]

I'll warn you; this is a big download. 168MB in total.

Sigh! to open .webp files is the only reason why I would need GIMP.
Yeah, you are probably right, skip opening .webp files, but, I have a feeling they will become ubiquitous soon.
Thanks, Mike.
Sky

[mikewalsh]

@Sky Aisling :-

Hang about. I've just made a discovery.....which I overlooked in that Wikipedia article.

Open up the PPM. Make sure you're up-to-date first, then search for

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gthumb

It's a small, lightweight image viewer.....that supports WebP. Should do what you want. It works with my sample download. Let us know if it works for you, please.

Mike.

[Sky Aisling]

Hang about. I've just made a discovery.....which I overlooked in that Wikipedia article.

Open up the PPM. Make sure you're up-to-date first, then search for

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gthumb

It's a small, lightweight image viewer.....that supports WebP. Should do what you want. It works with my sample download. Let us know if it works for you, please.

OK, I updated PPM data base(s).
Which do I choose? See screenshot.

[mikewalsh]

@Sky Aisling :-

The one you've got highlighted.....'gthumb 3.6.1-1'. It'll pull-in 'gthumb-data 3.6.1-1', below, and whatever else it needs.....which isn't much.

Mike.

[Sky Aisling]

I'll shut down browser and start over...

[Sky Aisling]

OK, turned of Firefox.esr and rebooted BB(64).
I'll test now. Back in a moment.

[Sky Aisling]

OK, downloaded and executed gThumb.
I was able to copy the image and post it in a test email.
I then I attempted to post it here to you.
This is the message I'm getting file to big apparently.
But, look at the properties?
I'll try again.
Opps! Forum rule at bottom of page says:

Maximum filesize per attachment: 512 KiB

I'll try cutting the file shot down in size.
Back in a moment.

[Sky Aisling]

OK, I reduced image size using gThumb.
I placed reduced image into an email to myself.
Took forever to send image to myself, but, net is slow tonight.
Finally, the image was sent to my mailbox per normal.
I attached same image to this current post.
There was no complaint by forum that image was too large.
However...
attachment not showing in post preview.

[Sky Aisling]

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Image shows only if I 'place in line' on this forum post.

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[OscarTalks]

Booted a fresh Bionic64 with nothing added. Downloaded a sample .webp image file.
Viewnior does not display it. Neither does mtPaint in this Puppy.
Any of these would need to have been compiled with webp support (linked to libwebp at build time - my builds of mtPaint have webp support).
The only on-board program that does display webp is Palemoon.

The mime-type issue is a bit of an inconvenience.
I did a test fix by adding to /usr/share/mime/packages/puppy.xml the lines:-

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<mime-type type="image/webp">
    <comment>WebP image</comment>
    <glob pattern="*.webp"/>
  </mime-type>

Then in terminal

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update-mime-database /usr/share/mime

and restart X
This changes the silly audio_x-riff mime-type in ROX to the correct image_webp and makes it easier to set up left-click and right-click associations for any image viewers you install or for Palemoon as the viewer.

[MochiMoppel]

Unfortunately, all the apps that currently support it are either Windoze apps (need running via WINE) - or 'heavyweight' Linux apps. There simply aren't any small, lightweight, Puppy-type apps that yet support it.

Ahemmm...MMview supports it

[Sky Aisling]

I tried Palemoon 28.17.0(64bit) resident in BionicBeaver(64) to download what Firefox.esr 78.5.0 tells me is a .webp file.

Palemoon downloaded the file as JPG.

So, the solution is use Palemoon 28.17.0(64) in BionicBeaver(64) to download .webp files? Right?

Palemoon must have some kind of conversion routine when it encounters .webp files?

I'll mark this thread 'solved' if this is correct.

Thank you Oscar Talks.

Sky

[MochiMoppel]

Palemoon downloaded the file as JPG.

Palemoon 28.9.1 downloads a .webp file as WEBP!
Try https://developers.google.com/speed/webp/gallery1

[mikewalsh]

Unfortunately, all the apps that currently support it are either Windoze apps (need running via WINE) - or 'heavyweight' Linux apps. There simply aren't any small, lightweight, Puppy-type apps that yet support it.

Ahemmm...MMview supports it

@MochiMoppel :-

Mochi, I take my hat off to you, mate. That's bloody brilliant.

I kind of overlooked this on the old forum. I got the impression, from others mentioning it, that MM_View was simply another file-manager, so I didn't look any closer. I stand corrected..!

This is very like XNView.....only more so. That was the only native Linux app I'd come across that would display both images AND videos in the same application. Well this will (if you count playing your videos via the default media player; in my case, that's SMPlayer, so I'm happy with that), only this also displays just about every other kind of file (and information!) you can think of, too.

I've just set this up in jrb's 'lite' spin on BK's Quirky64 'April' 7.0.1, along with MenuEntries under Filesystem, Graphic and Multimedia. Nice one. This is very much appreciated, my friend. Cheers!

Mike.

[OscarTalks]

If you want to be able to view and edit a .webp image, best thing to do is recompile the very latest mtPaint 3.50.05 from source, making sure to configure for webp support. I have done that. The .PET is here:-
http://smokey01.com/OscarTalks/mtPaint- ... bionic.pet

[p310don]

I've had luck with webp by simply right click on the web image, copy, and then paste into gimp and it copies fine. Then can save as whatever from there.

[MochiMoppel]

If you want to be able to view and edit a .webp image, best thing to do is recompile the very latest mtPaint 3.50.05 from source, making sure to configure for webp support.

Recompiling from source sounds like a lot of work, especially when using multiple Puppy or mtPaint versions. Another way would be to edit as usual in the image editor of choice and then convert the resulting PNG/JPG/GIF image to WEBP. Google offers small, ready-to-use command line tools to convert from/to WEBP and even a simple viewer. Newest versions only 64bit, but the last available 32bit versions contained in package libwebp-0.6.1-rc2-linux-x86-32.tar.gz work fine with older Puppies. All versions available in https://storage.googleapis.com/download ... index.html

[Sky Aisling]

Hi All,

The little program gThumb is working pretty good for my needs. A lot better than having the huge GIMP program hanging around.

Sky

[vtpup]

I'm starting to have this same problem in viewing webP content in other fora as thread post attachments, using Seamonkey as browser (ver 2.53.15 -- current as of this time) on Bionicpup64.

Yes, I can download a webP file and view in a graphics program like Gimp, but that's way too much work for casual post reading. I'd like to be able to just see web forum photo attachments displayed directly in the browser, as I can with jpgs and pngs.

Is there any solution for this problem for BionicPup64, other than changing browsers? Or have I got something set wrong on my particular system?

Thanks for your help, guys, as usual!

[vtpup]

Hmm, just tried the Google WebP gallery, and in fact Seamonkey DOES properly display the images there. Now I'm thinking that the problem is somehow related to the forum attachments themselves, rather than something in Seamonkey. I can download them, but when I click on them the browser reports unsupported format. I'll have to look into that further ...

[vtpup]

Okay to get specific, here is an example attachment that seems to be misidentified by Seamonkey as a bin file and only offers to save it.

https://www.modelenginemaker.com/index. ... ach=143088

When downloaded and the file clicked on, Viewnior also cannot display it.

Open in MtPaint works, since it seems to have been compiled with WebP support.

[williwaw]

appimage at bottom of page https://github.com/ImageMagick/ImageMag ... g/7.1.0-62
and if you want to write a script for a single usage https://imagemagick.org/script/command- ... essing.php

[norgo]

@vtpup
please check your seamonkey browser
SM built with webp and enabled ?

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[vtpup]

Thanks williwaw, norgo.

Norgo, yes webp enabled in SM per your about:config

williwaw, for some reason not seeing the appimage....checking again...

Assets just keeps circling, but no code.

Switching over to Firefox. Now I see the appimages. Sites seem to be giving Seamonkey more and more problems.