Which Puppy for HP tablet and how to use it?

[Grarea]

Hi all,
I have fancied an excuse to try out puppy.
I now have an opportunity, but I have got confused at stage one:

What specific Puppy version?
http://puppylinux.com/download.html
I went with Bionicpup32 8.0

Computer specs or make and model?
It is an HP 10-n155sa which is a tablet with a kb attachment.
CPU Intel Atom x86
Memory 2GB DDR3
Graphics hardware I don't know I am afraid.
Network hardware? Sorry, I don't know what this means.

How is Puppy installed?
It isn't yet.

I am getting 'Selected Boot image did not authenticate'

I am not sure what to actually do, could someone point me in the direction of a guide please?
I straight off went here: http://puppylinux.com/download.html
I was going with 32 bit as 'explaining computers' on YT suggested it would work better on stuff with 2GB Ram or less.
I flashed it to USB stick using balenaetcher. All seemed fine.
Boot from USB gave me the above message.

I tried a couple of times still the same.
Thought, OK, maybe puppy works different.
OR, I have done something basic wrong. (I have done this before, but only ocassionally and a while ago.)
I tried clicking on the link next to the download for help in a forum and had a search, but didn't understand any of the words
http://oldforum.puppylinux.com/puppy/vi ... p?t=113244
Found the beginners bit:
http://oldforum.puppylinux.com/puppy/vi ... fcf866076e
But didn't understand that either.
Realised eventually that i was on an old forum, came here.

I am now just confused.
what am I meant to do please?

[cobaka]

First, I have no experience with the Intel Atom CPU, but this thread may help:
viewtopic.php?f=118&t=192&p=14667&hilit=CPU+Atom#p14667

Next, I suspect that uPupBB x64 will work on your hardware.
Since you say you wish to try out Puppy Linux I assume you are trying to install using windows.

Install using Puppy: If you search the Puppy forum, look for a posting by MikeSLR about Manual Install using the ROX filer. That's the good news.
The bad news is that Mike's method assumes you are using Puppy Linux to install Puppy Linux. I assume you are using Windows.
Mike's method won't work for you.

Install using Windows: Bigpup knows the only application that will install Puppy Linux using windows.
Look here: viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1931
Read the posting by bigpup. Can't offer further help. Good luck!

cobaka

[Grarea]

OK, thanks.
So, it is or isn't usually as simple as flashing to a usb with balenaetcher?

Are you saying that I may have just used the wrong version of Puppy?
As in it might not be compatible with that hardware maybe?
I kind of thought that i could use a 32 bit on a 64 bit machine.
Perhaps that is wrong?

I have Mint on my main pc.
Raspbian and Volumio on my Pis, manjaro on my laptop (but I haven't really used that much)

I tried Fedora on the tablet thing, but it was struggling, when I remembered puppy.
So it used to have windows on it until I put Fedora on it.

I think I might be missing some basic info here.
How could I install puppylinux with puppylinux if I don't have puppylinux?
When you say installing it using windows.... If I am using my main pc to download puppylinux, am I using linux to install puppylinux?
Or am I using Mint to install it? But then I am putting it on a Fedora machine, so am I using Fedora?

puppylinux IS an OS in its own right isn't it?

[Grarea]

I can't seem to find uPupBB x64
Nothing comes up on a search for it on this forum.

Or on distrowatch.
Or on here: http://puppylinux.com/download.html

where do I find it please?

[taersh]

Hi.

1. Definitely you can run 32bit systems on 64bit computers!!!
2. Simply there's no uPupBB x64.

UPupBB is a naming term used by @peebee for his Puppies (32bit).
The 64bit Ubuntu Puppy made by 666philb is named: BionicPup64. Its forum topic is here: viewtopic.php?f=115&t=99.
There you'll find links to download and professional help.

[Grarea]

OK, thanks.
I have skimmed through the topic linked. But I don't understand the words.

Can I just check the basic things first? In case I am getting something really basic wrong.
I forget how to do things as I don't do it very often.

When I download the image, I shouldn't extract it should i?
I just go to balenaetcher and flash the file bionicpup32-8.0+25-uefi.iso or the 64 bit to the usb stick.
when I put it in the other machine, it recognises the usb as a bootable drive.
Then I get 'Selected Boot image did not authenticate'

I get the same message with the 64 bit version as well.

[bigpup]

I am getting 'Selected Boot image did not authenticate'

Go into the computers UEFI bios setup and disable secure boot, enable legacy boot, or enable CSM.
I think it is looking for a security key that Puppy does not provide.
Changing one of these settings should let Puppy boot.

Bionicpup32 8.0 is OK to try.
It has a little naming confusion, because the files in it use upupbb in there names.

First this computer can boot from a USB drive and you know how to make it do that?

Suggest you put Bionicpup32 on the USB drive using a different installer program.
balenaetcher installer seems to have issues, sometimes.
Try one of these:
viewtopic.php?f=156&t=157
Read the info about maybe having to edit the boot menu config file, changing the pmedia= entry.

If this does not help you.
Give specific info what happens booting.
You do what?
You see what?

[Grarea]

OK, thanks.
So what I said I am doing is correct is it?

I thought balena etcher was the 'go to'
I tried unetbootin tablet didn't even recognise the usb as a boot device.

I put the usb in and press esc on the machine to get to boot options.
when I was using balena etcher, it was showing up as an option to boot from usb.
When i did that, I got the message as said above 'Selected Boot image did not authenticate'

When I tried with unetbootin, i go to boot manager as before and there is no option to boot from usb.

I tried changing all of the pmedia=cd to pmedia= entry (tried it with and without a space)
Was I right to change all of them?

Also, is it saying I should just delete stuff:
Boot options:
pfix=ram ->this keeps save from being loaded.
pfix=nox ->keeps X server from starting and boots to prompt.

In which case, should I delete all of the following or just part of it please?

menuentry "Start upupbb 19.03 - RAM only" {
linux /vmlinuz pfix=ram pmedia=entry
initrd /initrd.gz
}

menuentry "Start upupbb 19.03 - No X" {
linux /vmlinuz pfix=nox pmedia=entry
initrd /initrd.gz
}

[bigpup]

I put the usb in and press esc on the machine to get to boot options.

That probably just brings up a boot device menu.

Some other key should bring up the settings program for the computers bios. (Basic Input outpt system).
F2, delete, F9, F11, etc... Computer should tell you or it should say in computer manual.
Just as computer starts. Press it to bring up the setup.

When you boot the computer and go into the bios setup.
Where it has settings options for the computer.
Depends on the bios what it has for settings.
Usually under boot it will have option to disable secure boot or enable legacy boot or enable CSM.
Need to do the change to what it offers.
Save change.
Now try booting from the USB.

[bigpup]

Also, is it saying I should just delete stuff:
Boot options:
pfix=ram ->this keeps save from being loaded.
pfix=nox ->keeps X server from starting and boots to prompt.

In which case, should I delete all of the following or just part of it please?

menuentry "Start upupbb 19.03 - RAM only" {
linux /vmlinuz pfix=ram pmedia=entry
initrd /initrd.gz
}

menuentry "Start upupbb 19.03 - No X" {
linux /vmlinuz pfix=nox pmedia=entry
initrd /initrd.gz
}

Sorry for confusion. It is hard to say exactly what to do without knowing exactly what the boot menu config file has in it.
So do not delete any of the entries.

Those two entries are not normal boot.
Ram only says to boot not using the save.
No X makes Puppy boot to the prompt.
Those are there for troubleshooting if normal boot has problems after it has been booting OK.

There should be a first menu entry that is the normal boot.

The only change that can help you is any of the pmedia= should be changed to pmedia=usbflash.
.
.

[bigpup]

I thought balena etcher was the 'go to'
I tried unetbootin tablet didn't even recognise the usb as a boot device.

That is why I suggested several different USB installers.
Seems none of them work 100% for all computers.
The installer version can be important.

Nothing is ever just simple with computers!

[cobaka]

Here I repeat what others have said before. First, sorry about the confusion of names.
Here is a link where you can download any version of Puppy Linux:
http://puppylinux.com/download.html
I use uPupBB32 v8 24. The correct name is bionicpup32-8.0-uefi.iso
Earlier some-one said you can run the 32 bit version on a 64bit CPU. Correct. That is what I am doing at this moment.

Here is the name of the 64-bit version: bionicpup64-8.0-uefi.iso
OK, now you have the correct version.
Here is a link to precise instructions by @mikeslr for installing any Puppy.
I have only done this in Puppy Linux and you will need to 'open' the *.iso file (you just click on it) and copy it into your boot folder.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=375&p=1788&hilit=Ro ... tall#p1788

Every detail in Mike's method is given. The problem (for you) is that he assumes you are running Puppy.

In general the steps in Mike's method are:
Partition & format your storage device (perhaps a thumb drive). I always start with a thumb-drive. I'm very careful about names and device specifications.
2 partitions. P1 = VFAT, 440Mib. P3 = ext3, rest of drive.Make sure that P1 has the boot-flag set.

Obtain the *.iso file and put it in a safe place. This may be a folder 2 or 3 levels 'down' on the thumb.
I always have folders thus: mnt/device (eg sdx2)/Linux/Puppy_Linux/iso_files/
Create a folder 1 level deep. I always call this OS_BOOT. (You can figure your own name).
Copy (as Mike says) all the files in the *.iso 'wrapper' into the BOOT folder.
Setup the bootloader ON YOUR THUMB DRIVE. I always use Grub4DOS. You must figure how to get/use this.
At this point - you should have a working (bootable) thumb drive.

The description here is a grand simplification.
Mike's method describes every detail.

I think the detail you have above is reliable. I thought an overview here might clarify any minor "Q"s you might have.

All the best

cobaka.

[Grarea]

I put the usb in and press esc on the machine to get to boot options.

That probably just brings up a boot device menu.

Some other key should bring up the settings program for the computers bios. (Basic Input outpt system).
F2, delete, F9, F11, etc... Computer should tell you or it should say in computer manual.
Just as computer starts. Press it to bring up the setup.

When you boot the computer and go into the bios setup.
Where it has settings options for the computer.
Depends on the bios what it has for settings.
Usually under boot it will have option to disable secure boot or enable legacy boot or enable CSM.
Need to do the change to what it offers.
Save change.
Now try booting from the USB.

OK, thank you.
I sort of assumed no changes were needed as it accepted fedora.
I did try and disable secure boot to see if it worked. But it asks me to input a code that it gives me. But I can't work out yet how to input it lol .

Sorry for confusion. It is hard to say exactly what to do without knowing exactly what the boot menu config file has in it.
So do not delete any of the entries.

Those two entries are not normal boot.
Ram only says to boot not using the save.
No X makes Puppy boot to the prompt.
Those are there for troubleshooting if normal boot has problems after it has been booting OK.

There should be a first menu entry that is the normal boot.

The only change that can help you is any of the pmedia= should be changed to pmedia=usbflash.
.
.

No worries, I appreciate any help.
Here is what it says. If it helps.
Except where it states entry now, it originally stated CD
So I should try changing all of the pmedia= to pmedia=usbflash or just the first one?

insmod png
background_image /splash.png
set timeout=10

menuentry "Start upupbb 19.03" {
linux /vmlinuz pmedia=entry
initrd /initrd.gz
}

menuentry "Start upupbb 19.03 - RAM only" {
linux /vmlinuz pfix=ram pmedia=entry
initrd /initrd.gz
}

menuentry "Start upupbb 19.03 - No X" {
linux /vmlinuz pfix=nox pmedia=entry
initrd /initrd.gz
}

menuentry "Start upupbb 19.03 - check filesystem" {
linux /vmlinuz pfix=fsck pmedia=entry
initrd /initrd.gz
}

menuentry "Start upupbb 19.03 - No KMS" {
linux /vmlinuz nomodeset pmedia=entry
initrd /initrd.gz
}

menuentry "Start upupbb 19.03 - Ram Disk SHell" {
linux /vmlinuz pfix=rdsh pmedia=entry
initrd /initrd.gz
}

menuentry "Shutdown" {
halt
}

menuentry "Reboot" {
reboot
}

[Grarea]

I thought balena etcher was the 'go to'
I tried unetbootin tablet didn't even recognise the usb as a boot device.

That is why I suggested several different USB installers.
Seems none of them work 100% for all computers.
The installer version can be important.

Nothing is ever just simple with computers!

I did not know this.
I just tried unetbootin again with the changes, but it was still not even seeing it as a boot option.
Then I tried Balena againand try and make the changes. Seeing as I seem to get further with balena.
But that way, the file is read only and i can't seem to change its permissions.

Right, try another USB installer.
Do you reckon change in BIOS is important?
I ask because it allowed fedora to install from a balena flashed usb.
Just wondering which to try first.

[Grarea]

Here I repeat what others have said before. First, sorry about the confusion of names.
Here is a link where you can download any version of Puppy Linux:
http://puppylinux.com/download.html
I use uPupBB32 v8 24. The correct name is bionicpup32-8.0-uefi.iso
Earlier some-one said you can run the 32 bit version on a 64bit CPU. Correct. That is what I am doing at this moment.

Here is the name of the 64-bit version: bionicpup64-8.0-uefi.iso
OK, now you have the correct version.
Here is a link to precise instructions by @mikeslr for installing any Puppy.
I have only done this in Puppy Linux and you will need to 'open' the *.iso file (you just click on it) and copy it into your boot folder.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=375&p=1788&hilit=Ro ... tall#p1788

Every detail in Mike's method is given. The problem (for you) is that he assumes you are running Puppy.

In general the steps in Mike's method are:
Partition & format your storage device (perhaps a thumb drive). I always start with a thumb-drive. I'm very careful about names and device specifications.
2 partitions. P1 = VFAT, 440Mib. P3 = ext3, rest of drive.Make sure that P1 has the boot-flag set.

Obtain the *.iso file and put it in a safe place. This may be a folder 2 or 3 levels 'down' on the thumb.
I always have folders thus: mnt/device (eg sdx2)/Linux/Puppy_Linux/iso_files/
Create a folder 1 level deep. I always call this OS_BOOT. (You can figure your own name).
Copy (as Mike says) all the files in the *.iso 'wrapper' into the BOOT folder.
Setup the bootloader ON YOUR THUMB DRIVE. I always use Grub4DOS. You must figure how to get/use this.
At this point - you should have a working (bootable) thumb drive.

The description here is a grand simplification.
Mike's method describes every detail.

I think the detail you have above is reliable. I thought an overview here might clarify any minor "Q"s you might have.

All the best

cobaka.

OK, thanks.
I am thinking that you are saying that your version does not need me to already have puppy.
You are saying that Mike's version is saying how to create another puppy USB boot while currently running puppy, right?
For another machine.

I think I might have to give up on this.
I can't even work out how to get the partitions done right as you suggest. So stuck on step one.
I have given this most of my day trying different things. I have run out of time now.
I don't think I understand enough of the words to do it.

Thank you for trying to help.
I appreciate it.

[tosim]

You are correct in the balena Etcher makes READ ONLY. Please let me suggest you use the app, "MultibootUSB", or, the app, "Pentoy",
to install your Puppies, Dogs, and most any other OS ISO's, onto a flash drive. Also, AFAIK. both those apps are multi-platform.

[Grarea]

You are correct in the balena Etcher makes READ ONLY. Please let me suggest you use the app, "MultibootUSB", or, the app, "Pentoy",
to install your Puppies, Dogs, and most any other OS ISO's, onto a flash drive. Also, AFAIK. both those apps are multi-platform.

Thanks.

I can't get hold of multiboot usb.
Pentoy seems to be some sort of site builder??

I was wondering if my machine being a touchscreen might cause issues.

[mikeslr]

Some background:

I discovered Puppy Linux a decade or so ago when Windows XP was my main, and only, operating system. I didn't want to take the chance of messing it up while looking for something better. So I tested a bunch of Linux distros, but only those which could be burnt to and run from a CD. Of course, Puppy could; and out-performed the others while providing everything I needed.
Today, of course, CDs as the mechanism for testing operating systems have been superseded by USB-Sticks. I strongly recommend trying out any Linux Distro --Puppy or otherwise-- by first 'burning' it to a USB-Stick. Your HP 10-n155sa has two USB-ports, one a USB-2 (type C), the other a USB-3.0. I think --someone who knows please confirm or correct-- most Puppy Linux versions 'installed' to either can be booted from either once your computer's configuration has been set to boot from a USB-port first, that is before attempting to boot from any hard-drive.

Usually there is some key or key-combination you can press when you turn your computer on to go into settings and change 'boot priority'. It usually will display for a few seconds.

cobaka has referenced bigpup's post listing programs you can install and use under Windows to 'burn' ISOs to a USB-Key. While, as cobaka mentioned, I now manually create 'Puppy USB-Sticks' while running a Puppy, to try out other Linuxes it's just easier to boot into Windows and use rufus to install them. [One of the few reasons I haven't wiped Windows]. rufus can be found here, https://rufus.ie/. As the screenshot on that page shows, you can set rufus to create bootloaders for either/or or both BIOS and UEFI. As bigpup's post notes, rufus can be used to do a Puppy install to a USB-Key. I suggest that you try rufus and report, as bigpup suggest: You do what? You see what?

Don't get me wrong, Bionicpup 32-bit is a fine operating system. But since you haven't gotten too far 'into the weeds' and your computer can easily handle it, I'd also suggest trying Bionicpup64. Who know? Maybe you're hardware just won't accept 32-bit operating systems. I generally recommend 64-bit Puppies because obtaining 32-bit Web-browsers is becoming increasingly difficult. With rufus already installed to your Windows OS, burning another ISO to a USB-Stick takes only a couple of minutes.

[taersh]

Hi.

Since you have Fedora running you could use Fedora to do a manual install of Puppy.

- boot and run Fedora
- execute Gparted to format the Puppy USB flash drive to ext3 and to make it able to boot from (set boot flag)
- after finished the above, create a directory on the new formatted USB flash drive
- click the downloaded .iso file to open it
- copy everything from within the opened .iso into that new directory on the USB flash drive
- click the downloaded .iso file again to close it
- install a boot-loader to that USB flash drive - I don't know what's available in Fedora, maybe downloading GRUB or Grub4DOS (which would be better, if existing for Fedora)

- if necessary return to here to get specific information how to edit the menu.lst file and/or its equivalents

[mikeslr]

Sorry about the misdirection. I scanned the prior posts, noted the mention of Windows, looked for the specs of your computer and saw that it came with Windows 10 and UEFI. I missed that you already had Fedora on it, and that you also have computers running Mint & Manjaro. rufus is still the easiest if you still have any version of Windows. But if you don't as bigpup's post notes:
"UNetbootin to install to USB
(has Linux or Windows version)
http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/

universal-usb-installer
(runs in Linux)
https://www.pendrivelinux.com/universal ... -as-1-2-3/
Note:
Because this installer is not specifically made for Puppy installs and does not understand Puppy boot options.
To make sure the pupsave will be used.
On the flash drive, locate the file syslinux.cfg. Open it in a text editor. Delete the argument "pfix=ram".

I've never used the universal-usb-installer. I have used Unetbootin which can be installed into fedora, Mint and Manjaro.
One thing not mentioned by bigpup in that post is that unetbootin also is slightly confused when deploying a Puppy ISO. See his post here, viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1931&p=15482&hilit= ... fig#p15482. Where unetbootin writes the argument pmedia=cd you'll have to change it to pmedia=usbflash.
Also, regarding unetbooting not recognizing the USB as a bootable device, perhaps you'll have to 'flag' it as such. Suggest that you install gparted into one of your Linuxes, plug in the USB-Key, start gparted, select the Key, and reformat it as Linux Ext3. Before exiting gparted, select the partition, right-click it and select Manage Flags. Click the top box named "boot" so that it is not empty. Close that GUI and you'll notice the word "boot" now appears in the Flags column.

There's another method you might try. I haven't done so myself. But Clarity --who generally know what he's doing-- has strongly recommended it. Super Grub2. The thread about it begins with his post is here: viewtopic.php?f=156&t=387

[bigpup]

Secure boot has to be disabled in the bios, because Puppy Linux does not have a security key to install on the computer.

I did try and disable secure boot to see if it worked. But it asks me to input a code that it gives me. But I can't work out yet how to input it lol

You need to go back into the bios setup and get this done.
That code input thing should be explained how to do.
Someplace where it is telling you to do this it should tell you how.

It could be as simple as selecting to disable secure boot.
Press enter.
Then enter this code it gave you.

[cobaka]

@Grarea @bigpup

I'm following this post with interest.

cobaka