The installed EasyOS's are extremely large!

[tallboy]

I tried to update my Daedalus from 6.5.4.2 to 6.5.5, but I got this message:

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It made me look at the contents of my sda1 partition, where the OS's are installed, and some of them are shockingly large!

Sda1 19.5 Gb ext4
bookworm 967 MB unmodified (miserable Puppy, will be removed)
daedalus 6471 Mb The 6.5.4.2.img kept in dir after installation, plus added packages
easypup-2.5.1 2537 Mb added only Vivaldi, Xpad, Xpdf
puppy-tahr64 2687 Mb heavily modified hrough many years
scarthgap 4631 Mb The 6.5.3.img file kept in dir after installation, plus only added Vivaldi

What is happening? The grotesquest example is the Scarthgap installation, but my daily user Daeadalus is also very large. I remember that some invisible 'white files' was an issue with EasyPup a few years ago, is that also the case now?

As noted, I kept the image files in the installation dirs, to be able to use only a delta-file for update.
Question: Will the update delta file only install if the former latest version is installed, and image file is kept, or should it update if any previous version is installed?

tallboy

[bugnaw333]

The old image file (version 6.5.4.2) must be in the easyos folder for a delta update into 6.5.5.
You can also delete old .sfs files for you to have more free space.

[tallboy]

Additinal question: I also tried to make a Snapshot of the working session, but the program quit abruptly without making a Snapshot. Is that also related to the problem with lack of space? I have never had a 20 gig working directory before, but that is obviously too small now.

bugnaw333, yes, I'll check.

tallboy

[bugnaw333]

Yes, you need more space to save snapshots.
Thats why Im using bigger USB stick.

[tallboy]

Thank you, bugnaw333. I checked my /devuan/daedalus dir, and it is 2687MB in size. That makes for a new question; What can safely be deleted? I started to install additional packages in 6.5, 6.5.1.1, 6.5.3, and also in 6.5.4.2. Are those lost if I update with a delta file, and delete the old sfs's? (provided I manage to make a Snapshot) Do any files need to be kept? I can see that you have a couple yourself...

from /mnt/sda1/daedalus/releases/

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tallboy

BTW, I run from my hdd, do you run from a memory stick?

[pp4mnklinux]

I tried to update my Daedalus from 6.5.4.2 to 6.5.5, but I got this message:

Screenshot.png

It made me look at the contents of my sda1 partition, where the OS's are installed, and some of them are shockingly large!

Sda1 19.5 Gb ext4
bookworm 967 MB unmodified (miserable Puppy, will be removed)
daedalus 6471 Mb The 6.5.4.2.img kept in dir after installation, plus added packages
easypup-2.5.1 2537 Mb added only Vivaldi, Xpad, Xpdf
puppy-tahr64 2687 Mb heavily modified hrough many years
scarthgap 4631 Mb The 6.5.3.img file kept in dir after installation, plus only added Vivaldi

What is happening? The grotesquest example is the Scarthgap installation, but my daily user Daeadalus is also very large. I remember that some invisible 'white files' was an issue with EasyPup a few years ago, is that also the case now?

As noted, I kept the image files in the installation dirs, to be able to use only a delta-file for update.
Question: Will the update delta file only install if the former latest version is installed, and image file is kept, or should it update if any previous version is installed?

tallboy

Absolutely agree with you.- I wrote about this 3thNovember.

viewtopic.php?p=134843#p134843

Nowadays, only with EasyOS Scarthgap and Daedalus.- 19Gb and 18Gb

[TerryH]

The main thing that is taking up the extra space in EasyOS installations are the roll back versions you have. EasyOS has the default value is set to 5, meaning the current version and 4 roll back versions. In my installation that is approximately 1.1 to 1.2 GiB per roll back version. After I'm happy that an update is functioning OK, I manually delete old versions I am probably not going to go back to. Generally only keeping the previous 1 version.

[pp4mnklinux]

The main thing that is taking up the extra space in EasyOS installations are the roll back versions you have. EasyOS has the default value is set to 5, meaning the current version and 4 roll back versions. In my installation that is approximately 1.1 to 1.2 GiB per roll back version. After I'm happy that an update is functioning OK, I manually delete old versions I am probably not going to go back to. Generally only keeping the previous 1 version.

viewtopic.php?t=12851&start=270#p139566

I think that is not my situation, @TerryH ,

Thanks.

[bugnaw333]

Thank you, bugnaw333. I checked my /devuan/daedalus dir, and it is 2687MB in size. That makes for a new question; What can safely be deleted? I started to install additional packages in 6.5, 6.5.1.1, 6.5.3, and also in 6.5.4.2. Are those lost if I update with a delta file, and delete the old sfs's? (provided I manage to make a Snapshot) Do any files need to be kept? I can see that you have a couple yourself...

from /mnt/sda1/daedalus/releases/

Screenshot.png

tallboy

BTW, I run from my hdd, do you run from a memory stick?

No problem deleting the old sfs because after upgrade it will turn back to default 5 value. Same as @TerryH I'm keeping only 1 (current version) then do a snapshot.
BTW, USB stick on my HP Desktop and hdd on my old Fujitsu laptop. I did not encounter any rebooting problem since I used EasyOS even a sudden power failure (brown-out) or my 4-yr old grand daughter did a hard power off.

[mikewalsh]

@tallboy :-

Long time no see, Olaf. Where ya been hiding?

I was interested to see you still run Tahrpup64. As do I (alongside a dozen other assorted Pups, ranging from elderly 32-bit Puppies all the way up to and including some of the very newest 64-bitzers); in fact, I'm posting from it now. I usually suspend overnight, and often stay here for several days at a time.....I think my 'record' is currently just under a fortnight of continuous operation. She's rock-solid, and super-stable.....and very rarely does she give me any kind of issues.

Mine, too, is highly customized and heavily-modified, including a much newer kernel and a glibc upgrade to 2.28. Which all works amazingly well.

My own install is currently running at a shade over 6.5 GB....and the 11-strong 'kennels' - on sda2 - is currently occupying a total of some 92 GB on a 350GB partition. All my portable apps, Puppy 'stuff', videos, pics, music & documents are occupying around 1.4 TB of a 3 TB secondary data drive...

Nice to see ya, though.....even if it IS only on rare occasions. Don't be a stranger!

Mike.

[BarryK]

Sda1 19.5 Gb ext4
bookworm 967 MB unmodified (miserable Puppy, will be removed)
daedalus 6471 Mb The 6.5.4.2.img kept in dir after installation, plus added packages
easypup-2.5.1 2537 Mb added only Vivaldi, Xpad, Xpdf
puppy-tahr64 2687 Mb heavily modified hrough many years
scarthgap 4631 Mb The 6.5.3.img file kept in dir after installation, plus only added Vivaldi

I would use a 19.5GB partition for only one installation of EasyOS.
The partition is too small for all of those.
Maybe keep the tahrpup.

[eric52]

I'm confused (as usual). I started out with a 953Mb .img file that I couldn't mount. I EasyDD installed on a USB stick and copied the SFS, kernel, and intrd to a folder on my HDD. Once booted, the USB folder went to 961Mb and the SFS had become 5 folders and a few small files were added. On the HDD the frugal folder went to 1004Mb and 7 folders, 3 of which are for portables. I have saved the HDD install once for wallpaper/cosmetic changes. In any event, nothing even slightly big yet. When I first booted, there was an initial snapshot notification, but I cannot find anything like that stored anywhere, unless the folders are the snapshot. I had planned to share AppImages and SFSs (as I do with puppies, dogs, & KLs) and actually install Flatpaks in a waiting framework. I also plan to remaster (I assume by snapshot) to transfer to other machines. I don't mind size growth, as drives and thumbs are relatively huge these days, but I'm wondering if my thinking is wrong. Do AppImages and SFSs need to be permanently installed in easyOS, or can I load them as needed? Are snapshots portable to other machines? I have a few 128 & 256Mb USBs intended for monster Ventoys. Does EasyOS on a USB for a daily driver need that kind of storage? If I VM puppies, do they free stand or also end up somehow installed? I'm perfectly willing to find the answers myself, but if I'm going off half cocked, would someone please straighten me out? Oh, and thanks to all for a really exciting project. This is the best fun I've had in years.