AI is not coming, "THEY'RE HERE!"

[Clarity]

There is enormous adversity toward a country which is constantly accused of bad-acting while NEVER showing evidence of bad acting. Why do so many of us listen to politicians and why would WE, technical people who rely on evidence, believe any who WONT produce evidence.

Some of us are told what to believe and how we are suppose to see the world through what we are told versus actually seeking to find out if what we were told makes sense; or it the accuser is any more 'moral' than those being accused by contrasts.

Questions
Are we victims or relay vehicles for politics?
Or will WE be the 'true' evidence based people as the technology we demonstrate (Our work in just this forum centers in evidence and proofs we display: Not ground-less behaviors)?

We must control ourselves from deeming a good product because if came from some country we are taught to dislike. It a tool exist, maybe we should focus on the merit a tool might offer instead of some effort to diminish something which could be helpful as mankind continues to move forward on this planet we share.

Curious from comments in a prior post.

[williwaw]

artificial intelligence (AI) smarter than humans — could create an “immortal dictator,” billionaire entrepreneur Elon Musk warned.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/06/elon-mu ... ntary.html

@Clarity
Is there merit in this view?

[Grey]

Article from 'The Age' an Australian newspaper. You won't see the full video, but the attached gif image, basically says it all.

It says only one thing. The American (Australian) wants to know about the events in China's Tiananmen Square, and the Chinese wants to know how many Indian (Aboriginal) tribes were exterminated by American (British) settlers. Both sides prefer to have more information on just one of these points. And most likely, both sides will use both AI at once for comparison. The Russian AI will not tell you something about the Communists.

[Clarity]

We are continuing to be told "Beware!" "Look-out!" "Disaster looms!". We were told this about electric ligths & electridity, We were told this when the 'horseless carriage' came on the scene. We were told this cell phone causing brain waves from the military. We are constantly told things to make all of us afraid. This will continue in mankind's existence. Elon's antics has a personal motivation, IMHO.

But, the risk is not the technology (as if technology has some feeling to want to control the masses thought and behaviors as past human dictators have done). Technology does NOT have feelings or the desire for unlimited, unchecked power! So what specie has that desire for greed?

Based upon what I was a indirectly involved when in corporate decades ago at its outset, and what I currently know, the technological development is not progressing in the "what if" ways we are being scared upon.

One thougtht I have is:
Get an AI account or download any of the AI locals offered today that run on your home PC. Create you own narrative of the tools ability(s).

• If you become afraid of your own tool use, tell us about it.

• If you find benefit and want us to know, tell us about it such that we may benefit too.

@williwaw If there is an advanced technology and it was YOU, what would you do if YOU were a technology; namely an AI? What would your focus be and why? ... Dictator?

[williwaw]

Based upon what I was a indirectly involved when in corporate decades ago at its outset, and what I currently know, the technological development is not progressing in the "what if" ways we are being scared upon.

is that a "no"?
If so, you share the views of the new administration.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/fact-sheets/ ... eadership/

....what would you do if YOU were a technology

hard to say

[Clarity]

WOW!

... is that a "no"?
If so, you share the views of the new administration. ...

That's what you got from me???

WOW!

[williwaw]

That's what you got from me???
WOW!

seems the same plug. Do you think the President is bloviating?

[greengeek]

I found this analysis of Deep Seek worth a watch:

[TerryH]

Article from 'The Age' an Australian newspaper. You won't see the full video, but the attached gif image, basically says it all.

It says only one thing. The American (Australian) wants to know about the events in China's Tiananmen Square, and the Chinese wants to know how many Indian (Aboriginal) tribes were exterminated by American (British) settlers. Both sides prefer to have more information on just one of these points. And most likely, both sides will use both AI at once for comparison. The Russian AI will not tell you something about the Communists.

Yes it does say only one thing, that there's is a huge difference, the information regarding the abhorrent treatment of aboriginal peoples isn't suppressed when queried in other AI systems.

[TerryH]

There is enormous adversity toward a country which is constantly accused of bad-acting while NEVER showing evidence of bad acting. Why do so many of us listen to politicians and why would WE, technical people who rely on evidence, believe any who WONT produce evidence.

Some of us are told what to believe and how we are suppose to see the world through what we are told versus actually seeking to find out if what we were told makes sense; or it the accuser is any more 'moral' than those being accused by contrasts.

Questions
Are we victims or relay vehicles for politics?
Or will WE be the 'true' evidence based people as the technology we demonstrate (Our work in just this forum centers in evidence and proofs we display: Not ground-less behaviors)?

We must control ourselves from deeming a good product because if came from some country we are taught to dislike. It a tool exist, maybe we should focus on the merit a tool might offer instead of some effort to diminish something which could be helpful as mankind continues to move forward on this planet we share.

Curious from comments in a prior post.

If you have an issue with my post, which directly preceded this post, be up front and say so.

No EVIDENCE of bad acting?
Tainanmen Square happened in open sight.
The treatment of Uyghurs and other Turkic peoples in Xinjiang province.
Actions in the South China Sea, including building on Subi Reef.
Just 3 examples which have overwhelming evidence of bad acting available.

[Grey]

Yes it does say only one thing, that there's is a huge difference, the information regarding the abhorrent treatment of aboriginal peoples isn't suppressed when queried in other AI systems.

What do you suggest? Don't use it? Don't use it on your own. Advise your friends not to use it either - you have the right to do so.

But as a software developer, you will obey the laws of the country where you work. If the management is against some aspects of your work, you will either curtail your activities or comply

There are no EVIL countries There is only the historical course of a country's development. The attitude towards these events depends on how much time has passed. When the same amount of time has passed as in the case of the aborigines, China will open up all sources of information. In the 90s, Americans freely inspected former top-secret Soviet bases because the time had come

[Clarity]

Hi @TerryH

Sorry if you feel it was directed at you. My last sentence in that post should have alerted you it was NOT.

But 'sense' you feel I WAS directing something (which I wasn't) let me put it a different way. You seem to be a US citizen pushing Western prop toward diminishing another Country based upon YOUR country articulation that "their citizens should believe some social aspect" is your reason to "hate" (which we are seeing a lot in your country). Other countries, I guest, can/do the same toward your country.

But, one aspect of human existence is that time after time, various countries come up with contributions that are useful beyond their borders.

AI is a technology that is now apparently being addressed across borders and across the world.

Personally, I dont have an axe to grind with any country...YOURS or otherwise. And certainly the Western rhetoric is HIGH...as you are demonstrating.

Can we get back to AI, and if there is HATE around, could we keep it out of the forum?

Restraint may be hard, but, it you or anyone considers the "Prime Directive" of the forum, lets keep it friendly and push helpful useful info about products or distros which present stability, merit, and a toolset that might accelerate the speed at which can get at KNOWLEDGE to produce results.

Share your findings or experiences for AI on this thread.

If you have a Hatred of some country's contribution, there are many sites which caters to that on the internet. I'm not sure if this forum is the right place to be pushing someone's Nationalist theme(s).

[greengeek]

if there is HATE around, could we keep it out of the forum?

Could we please avoid calling "disagreement" - "HATE" ? Please??

It has become a habit during the last few years to consider "disagreement" as being dangerous. But it is not dangerous.

Disagreement is how adults resolve different experiences and different perspectives.

That is not "HATE".

(Just my opinion)

[Grey]

Friends (comrades, gentlemen and whoever else is here). Just don't ask AI (anyone) questions about politics with a serious and frowning face. We can say that these are questions about history, but still not in their pure form If the whole of humanity has not made any conclusions in its history, then AI cannot do it either.
And remember the slogan on the Distro Watch homepage:

Put the fun back into computing

[Clarity]

Sorry @greengeek I chose my word carefully. You may not like the way it is framed in description of what I see but I hope you wont find it offensive. That word is specific and its meaning differs from what you refer.

Nationalism generates HATE propaganda and followers will echo it to diminish value of contributions from people they are told to dislike.

I stand by that word.

This semantic discussion does NOT change my appeal. Let's share AI that might be helpful in some way. I am NOT in opposition to the ideas we share about the technical merits that a product offers. Nothing in this world is perfect and there are many techniques I have seen over the years since this technology has emerge for public access.

I find the technology, not only useful but, fascinating in the things people are doing. Everything has become easier, and how we use it in its varied forms shows the creativity mankind exhibits.

And YES, one of the ways we have seen is use in discourse at varied level. Some the AI chat services expressly presents to the user, "correctness is the user's responsibility...NOT the AI's." This has been echo'd by many/most/all of these tools. We, same as is done by code-teams in development, must check the info we interact with in a tool's use.

The LLMs are there. The way we take advantage will differ from everyone else.

If we see some open-source efforts that WE, in this forum, thinks members will benefit from, share you findings.

[Clarity]

BTW: Since the recent release of DeepSeek, there are 2 others that have indicated they are also Open-source.

And India is a country along with 2 EU countries who also indicate they are actively pursuing AI. Not sure, at this point of those, if they will be open-source for public inspection.

[backi]

@greengeek :wrote:

Could we please avoid calling "disagreement" - "HATE" ? Please??

It has become a habit during the last few years to consider "disagreement" as being dangerous. But it is not dangerous.

Disagreement is how adults resolve different experiences and different perspectives.

That is not "HATE".

(Just my opinion)

That`s right.!......

This is the sad and destructive Result of permanent Intimidation and Brainwash by "western" Politics/Medias and their totalitarian Mind and Speech-control Terror

Get rid of it !

[williwaw]

well said Backi.

Nationalism generates HATE propaganda and followers will echo it to diminish value of contributions from people they are told to dislike.

@Clarity do you remember the purpose of newspeak?
(BTW Its not just Nationalism)

[TerryH]

Hi @TerryH

Sorry if you feel it was directed at you. My last sentence in that post should have alerted you it was NOT.

But 'sense' you feel I WAS directing something (which I wasn't) let me put it a different way. You seem to be a US citizen pushing Western prop toward diminishing another Country based upon YOUR country articulation that "their citizens should believe some social aspect" is your reason to "hate" (which we are seeing a lot in your country). Other countries, I guest, can/do the same toward your country.

But, one aspect of human existence is that time after time, various countries come up with contributions that are useful beyond their borders.

AI is a technology that is now apparently being addressed across borders and across the world.

Personally, I dont have an axe to grind with any country...YOURS or otherwise. And certainly the Western rhetoric is HIGH...as you are demonstrating.

Can we get back to AI, and if there is HATE around, could we keep it out of the forum?

Restraint may be hard, but, it you or anyone considers the "Prime Directive" of the forum, lets keep it friendly and push helpful useful info about products or distros which present stability, merit, and a toolset that might accelerate the speed at which can get at KNOWLEDGE to produce results.

Share your findings or experiences for AI on this thread.

If you have a Hatred of some country's contribution, there are many sites which caters to that on the internet. I'm not sure if this forum is the right place to be pushing someone's Nationalist theme(s).

For choosing words carefully, you certainly have a way of inflaming things. You start with an apology, then directly accuse me of having hatred of other countries contributions. That's a great way to calm things down. Don't you think?

You know what the saying about assuming does, well you definitely got that right. Personally I find it rather ironic, as I have only shared information on my location, on the puppy Linux fora, on one occasion in my 16 years of using Puppy. That happened to be with you. I live in Ontario.

As much as you may not like it, my post was absolutely on topic. You started the accusatory bullshit. I won't labour this discussion about being political any further.

[Clarity]

Couple NEW PCs with built-in AI are becoming readily plentiful. Seems more and more presentations are afoot to run the technology locally OR in conjunction with a cloud service.

• AMD Ryzen AI Max Series on laptops

• Intel Core Ultra 200 Series on desktops

The landscape continues to expand and evolve.

I think a local control solutions offer some interesting promise. I understand that several open-source AIs may be tailored to run on classic hardware as either local or hybrids. The cost of any of these appears to be both the LLM size(s) and the processors (no matter if classic or with the NPU).

Interesting which approach will require the least amount of work vs the local beneficiary needs.

AI is not coming, "THEY'RE HERE!"

[rockedge]

Shoving AI into my face when I don't want it there makes me concerned. The race down the AI road as the defacto tool for everything is just going to make most people more lazy and less informed. Why bother learning about something if the machine does that for you.

I see huge mental health problems on the horizon.

[rockedge]

AI air traffic control is going to be declared the perfect replacement for the imperfect human controller

[rockedge]

Talking about stuff in my face.....here's a tune I really like out of New Zealand, OMC's worldwide hit, How Bizarre done in a really cool cover version from Reb Fountain.....

[wiak]

At least from my view or feeling, 'smart'-phones have already made the world a more boring place. People staring into them - casually learning stuff, but often more absorbed in watching mindless video shorts than becoming more educated. AI seems to promise to accelerate the even greater loss of need for individuals or creative individuals - yet how creative will regurgitated plagiarised creativity really be I wonder? Definitely more boring though.

All this AI taking over crap certainly begs the question, "what is the point of life?". Just leave it to AI generated realistic fakes. Simulacra and Simulation per Jean Baudrillard, which apparently inspired "The Matrix". Where there is no difference between the original and the copy - then what becomes of the meaning of "original" like alone "true life".

[williwaw]

As the quality of public education goes down, what are the odds of Ai helping to reverse the trend?
https://www.nea.org/nea-today/all-news- ... ing-age-ai

[greengeek]

How to tell if an image is AI generated:

Ai_image.jpg (18.11 KiB) Viewed 6819 times

[DOSUser123]

How to tell if an image is AI generated:
Ai_image.jpg

needs more jpeg
edit: also you forgot, the hands look like feet

[greengeek]

edit: also you forgot, the hands look like feet

Yep, I think AI made a small mistake there...

[DOSUser123]

edit: also you forgot, the hands look like feet

Yep, I think AI made a small mistake there... :D :D

yeah lol

[bigpup]

Can ChatGPT lie?

I don’t lie, but I can make mistakes or give incomplete or inaccurate information sometimes.
My goal is to provide helpful, accurate responses based on the information I've been trained on.
But it's always good to double-check anything important from trusted sources!
If you notice anything that doesn’t seem quite right, feel free to point it out.

So like humans, it only knows what information it has been trained on.

Question is, what information has it been trained on and what information has it never been trained on or will be provided to it?