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In the old forum, SaveFolderBackup was widely considered to be a superior tool.
But be aware that the attached lzop "full" PET packages may no longer be compatible with modern Puppies. As a short-term solution, just get lzop from your parent repo.
Governor wrote: Sat Jan 25, 2025 10:52 amI am thinking that Puppy is updating my pupsave on disk before saving the backup. Is that correct, and can the on-screen message be made less confusing, ie more specific?
pupsave backup calls /usr/sbin/save2flash when running in pupmode 13 and changing the dialog would be something to change in save2flash and should be considered on the merits of whether changes are justified for save2flash alone.
that said, perhaps there should be a way to opt out of having pupsave backup make the call to /usr/sbin/save2flash.
wizard wrote: Sat Jan 25, 2025 7:30 pm@governor
I really like having the information,
We all need to set our personal preferences aside and focus on who we're trying to help. That info is of little help to new and casual users.
it is easy enough to understand, and generally speaking, new users to Linux are seldom people completely new to computers
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Would disagree here. Easy for you maybe, but even though they may not be new to computers, lots of them are new to Linux in general and Puppy in particular. They know nothing about Puppy's file structure or where to find /mnt/home or even what tool to use to navigate there and how to "extract" a file, rename it and put it in the right place.
wizard
Good point, I must agree with you. I think new users to Puppy are often baffled, overwhelmed, and leave again scratching their heads. I was one of those people, but I had no other OS to turn to and kept trying. I eventually got to the point I can boot from my hdd, and my configuration and setting return on boot, but I am still baffled and overwhelmed much of the time. User-friendliness is of paramount importance.
As you have succinctly illustrated, brief but essential information is important to provide to the user so they can make an informed decision at each juncture. The user MUST have a reasonable expectation of what will happen when they click on a button.
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rcrsn51 wrote: Sat Jan 25, 2025 8:13 pmIn the old forum, SaveFolderBackup was widely considered to be a superior tool.
But be aware that the attached lzop "full" PET packages may no longer be compatible with modern Puppies. As a short-term solution, just get lzop from your parent repo.
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@Governor
User-friendliness is of paramount importance.
Yes, one of the hardest parts of helping users on the forum is gauging their current skills and knowledge. We are often handicapped by our own familiarity of Puppy.
Have long been an advocate of including more help and information files in Puppy's. The "Friendly" remasters include two icons on the desktop for that. The first is "Programs Installed" which give the user the names of the programs and their function (i.e. what the hell is "DeaDBeef"). The second is "HELP START HERE" which is an indexed collection of over 30 howto documents covering the basic use of Puppy. Here's an example desktop for Friendly JammyPup 32:
wizard
Big pile of OLD computers
williwaw wrote: Sun Jan 26, 2025 6:51 amas for being able to name a backup, geo_c suggested a good use case
this suggestion is withdrawn,
although this app as presently configured could be used to create alternative saves, it should not be advertised for that purpose.
all backups should be compressed with no choice to create an uncompressed backup.
viewtopic.php?p=141321#p141321
wizard wrote: Sun Jan 26, 2025 2:32 pm@Governor
User-friendliness is of paramount importance.
Yes, one of the hardest parts of helping users on the forum is gauging their current skills and knowledge. We are often handicapped by our own familiarity of Puppy.
Have long been an advocate of including more help and information files in Puppy's.
wizard
Yah; absolutely. And this is why I've begun including 'Help' files in all my own 'home-brewed' utilities/applications.....because the safest course of action is to always assume the potential user is a total noob where this stuff is concerned. Due to "'our Pup"s somewhat oddball way of doing a lot of stuff, even experienced Linux users often have a hard time getting their heads around quite what's going on.....
.....and the last thing we want to do is to leave them with the impression that Puppy is a mess. Which THEN doesn't help with the subsequent 'bad press' when they share this information with others in the community.
Mike. 
Trapster wrote: Sun Jan 26, 2025 1:41 pm@Governor
Out of curiosity, how many backups do you have (compressed and uncompressed)?
Puppy operational folder:
Some of these in the save location are an older version of the same file in the operational folder. I don't presently have any compressed backups.
Puppy save folder:
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Trapster wrote: Mon Jan 27, 2025 2:20 pm.
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Slacko-7 from years past had this little gem for backups, snap2.
Looks advanced. Does it work in Bookworm?
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Pupsave-restore version 3 now gives users a choice to add to the restore name.
viewtopic.php?p=141433#p141433
wizard
Big pile of OLD computers
wizard wrote: Sat Jan 25, 2025 6:09 pmWhile this is an improvement, imagine you are a new or casual user trying to navigate this instruction.
Would be much easier to just have a program that can restore the backup for the user, could be referenced in above dialog.
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Kudos to @fredx181 who IMO has the right idea, while you (@wizard) appear to be going in the opposite direction and seem satisfied with giving the user less critical information.
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@Governor
wizard wrote: Sat Jan 25, 2025 12:09 pm
While this is an improvement, imagine you are a new or casual user trying to navigate this instruction.
Would be much easier to just have a program that can restore the backup for the user, could be referenced in above dialog.
Kudos to @fredx181 who IMO has the right idea, while you (@wizard) appear to be going in the opposite direction and seem satisfied with giving the user less critical information.
Think you misinterpret that comment, we can do both, either directly or by reference. The point was giving inexperienced users instructions that they cannot act on does not help them. Giving them information and a program that does the restore can both increase their knowledge and provide a solution with a few mouse clicks. In the end, not everyone cares what goes on behind the scene, most just want an easy way to get the task done.
wizard
Big pile of OLD computers
wizard wrote: Thu Jan 30, 2025 1:42 pm@Governor
wizard wrote: Sat Jan 25, 2025 12:09 pm
While this is an improvement, imagine you are a new or casual user trying to navigate this instruction.
Would be much easier to just have a program that can restore the backup for the user, could be referenced in above dialog.Kudos to @fredx181 who IMO has the right idea, while you (@wizard) appear to be going in the opposite direction and seem satisfied with giving the user less critical information.
Think you misinterpret that comment, we can do both, either directly or by reference. The point was giving inexperienced users instructions that they cannot act on does not help them. Giving them information and a program that does the restore can both increase their knowledge and provide a solution with a few mouse clicks. In the end, not everyone cares what goes on behind the scene, most just want an easy way to get the task done.
wizard
Some information is critical and must be provided to the user, ie. a compressed backup is not directly usable.
Did you change the text in your backup/restore program as presented here by @fredx181?
https://www.forum.puppylinux.com/viewto ... 90#p141190
I used to walk the earth thinking the news was real and adults knew what was going on.
@Governor
Some information is critical and must be provided to the user, ie. a compressed backup is not directly usable.
Did you change the text in your backup/restore program as presented here by @fredx181?
https://www.forum.puppylinux.com/viewto ... 90#p141190
The Pupsave-restore program being developed here: viewtopic.php?t=13697, doesn't actually have any backup code, it just switches to the existing Pupsave Backup program that is already installed. The changes that @fredx181 proposes would have to be made to that program from WoofCE.
wizard
Big pile of OLD computers
