The future of the forum and about the structure

[wiak]

Right. That is enough.

My comments are about distros.

But in reply, you greengeek and dogcat are on one hand saying I am personally 'stupid...' and the other is saying I am a 'liar', and usually makes remarks of that nature slandering my character.

Moderators, puppian or otherwise, where exactly are you or do you only attack those those making comments about your fav distro? Your bias behaviour is unfortunately well-established. Slander such as the above, so oft part of puppian gang behaviour needs immediate bans.

Opinions about forum structure or distro advantages or disadvantages, on the other hand, are not personal attacks and are legitimate comments whether Puppy fans like them or not.

The forum structure is greatly improved. I do not need to justify my asking for these alterations. Live with it.

[wiak]

But yes, I do have moderator powers. I prefer not to use these ever (but will if biased moderation continues) because my interest is structuring the forum equally for all distros featured here, whether all of their creators care about that or not. Rockedge makes all final decisions on forum structure, but he cannot allow puppian-biased moderators to not act immediately against slanderous accusations of being a 'liar'.

[Wiz57]

Moderators, puppian or otherwise, where exactly are you or do you only attack those those making comments about your fav distro? Your bias behaviour is unfortunately well-established. Slander such as the above, so oft part of puppian gang behaviour needs immediate bans.

I'm here, just not actually believing the infighting! WHY? What do we gain, with all this crap.
EVERYONE STOP THE BICKERING NOW!!! I'm tempted to lock this topic down for a while, til everyone agrees to shake hands
and work to make the forum better.

[wiak]

And of course, very recently there was this one by puppian biased moderator, because I said something about problems with current Puppy distro. The personal sexual- oriented comment by Wiz guy was first ignored by other puppian moderator bigpup but then edited by that second moderator to make comment look less slanderous:

a disgruntled, unhappy, forlorn, unsatisfied, frustrated old man that "couldn't get it up with a crane"

I'm still waiting for that wiz moderator to lose his position as a moderator as a result, but he continues to pretend he has valid authority

[wiak]

And do show me how it is not puppians, particularly amethyst who did not again start the attacks of personal nature on these threads about distros and forum structure, and then joined by the usual puppian gang dimkr, dogcat and so on. Yes Wiz didn't join in the puppian gang attack 'this' time.

[wiak]

And by the way, accusing anyone of being a bicker when objecting to being slandered as a 'liar' is also an unacceptable attack of a personal nature. Don't act clever - clean your 'act' up since it is that puppy bias ugly behavior that messes up this forum.

[greengeek]

But in reply, you greengeek ... are on one hand saying I am personally 'stupid...' .

Maybe read it again.
I said your comment was stupid.

You besmirched Rockedge in an effort to justify your bad behavior.

Why oh why are you permitted to spew your constant vitriol?

It's very strange, and damages the forum.

[greengeek]

My comments are about distros.

Not all of your comments are about distros.
Many are personal attacks.
Although you pretend to be the victim, it appears to me that you are usually the trigger
Again - just my opinion.

[wiak]

Besmirched rockedge? I did not.

My vitriol? Are you confusing my comments about forum distro structure with the fuck off type personal attacks by 'Puppy distro fan' amethyst and his other gangland friends, including yourself.

Very well, if the jealous slanderous behaviour of that Puppy gang is not terminated then my next move will be a final action. If rockedge wants to reinstate you all thereafter and remove me that will be up to him. Be warned - I will take no more jealous slander from puppians ganging up in this manner. Really take my word for this. I am not any 'liar'.

[wiak]

I may well be the 'trigger' helping this forum change in structure. I may well thus be the trigger that removes Puppy distro dominating power over this forum. These are technical organizational matters, which is what this thread was supposed to be about before amethyst started his gang attacks yet again...

[greengeek]

The situation in these regards is perfectly clear to rockedge too so you are the insulting his intelligence; rockedge is neither blind ...

I did not insult his intelligence.
You imply that somehow Rockedge supports your behavior.

[wiak]

The situation in these regards is perfectly clear to rockedge too so you are the insulting his intelligence; rockedge is neither blind ...

I did not insult his intelligence.
You imply that somehow Rockedge supports your behavior.

No, I said rockedge is well aware of the puppian gang behaviour.

[greengeek]

No, I said rockedge is well aware of the puppian gang behaviour.

I am not part of any gang. My comments are just my own - nothing more.
All I did was to explain to Rockedge that I felt dimkr's comments were directed at your negativity. Rather than directed at Rockedge himself.

But enough from me - I'm just trying to stand up for civility and good standards of debate.

[dogcat]

Besmirched rockedge? I did not.

My vitriol? Are you confusing my comments about forum distro structure with the fuck off type personal attacks by 'Puppy distro fan' amethyst and his other gangland friends, including yourself.

Very well, if the jealous slanderous behaviour of that Puppy gang is not terminated then my next move will be a final action. If rockedge wants to reinstate you all thereafter and remove me that will be up to him. Be warned - I will take no more jealous slander from puppians ganging up in this manner. Really take my word for this. I am not any 'liar'.

@wiak
I will stick only to what you have posted to this forum topic to prove my allegations of you lying are not slanderous.
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Puppy is just one of five and certainly worth no more nowadays than any of the established rest.

That is a lie. Puppy Linux is the reason the majority of the people come to the Puppy Linux Forum. That fact alone disproves what you falsley claim. A very purposeful untruth on your part. A deliberate untruth is a lie.
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viewtopic.php?p=140518#p140518

The first distro actually featured on this forum was FirstRib (which is why I'm a founding admin) - irrelevant tho. Try to keep your posts on topic if you can stop dreaming

That was not "this" Puppy Linux Discussion Forum. That was on the forum rockedge started before the transition of the puppylinux.com domains.
That you know yet insist on "remembering" it as you were first featured distro on this Puppy Linux Discussion Forum is another lie.
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Yes of course, dimkr was per usual, with amethyst and any other Puppian such as yourself and dogcat who will join in (and dogat and some others are religious and more have a dislike for me because of my alternative views), uses any opportunity to moan about me he can wiggle.

You lied about me. I have no personal dislike of you or for you. I do have a personal dislike for lies. As I wrote I don't engage you unless you are insulting someone or lying.
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And do show me how it is not puppians, particularly amethyst who did not again start the attacks of personal nature on these threads about distros and forum structure, and then joined by the usual puppian gang dimkr, dogcat and so on. Yes Wiz didn't join in the puppian gang attack 'this' time.

Another lie. I am not a member of any puppy gang. I speak for myself. You have butted into my conversations in the past and alluded I was part of some gang. Simply saying it over and over again is repeating a lie. Your lie. Your delusion.
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[wiak]

An opinion about distros and forum structure is not a personal comment nor a lie. Saying constantly that I am a liar is illegal slander against a human being. I also warned you against that slanderous behavior and said, as a forum admin, I would take action on those continuing such behaviour. I did not lie and I am not a liar.

[wiak]

As for the 'trigger'. The trigger first personal attack comment made on this structure of forum thread seems to be the following one by a guy called amethyst, which was a thinly veiled personal attack per usual on me:

viewtopic.php?p=140105#p140105

I suppose it will make those who feel "neglected" feel better about themselves

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[amethyst]

As for the 'trigger'. The trigger first personal attack comment made on this structure of forum thread seems to be the following one by a guy called amethyst, which was a thinly veiled personal attack per usual on me:

viewtopic.php?p=140105#p140105

I suppose it will make those who feel "neglected" feel better about themselves

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You are such an insecure little prick. Do you realize how unpleasant you are making this forum for so many people? People are going to leave this forum because of your shit but maybe that is your ultimate goal, ie. to piss off as many people as you can (especially the Puppy users). Geezuz you are such a pain in the arse. I may be mistaken but I think I saw somewhere that your are about 70 years old so probably there's not so much time left but maybe you should try to grow up (it's never too late).

[greengeek]

Well i see several personal attacks prior to the one you have highlighted.
Ultimately i found your attacks on puppy users rather sad and unjustified.
Paranoid almost.
But if you wish to continue then fire away...

This seemed to be where things went awry:

Unfortunately the couple of division/segregation advocates back to using thinly veiled personal attacks in their mini-gang fashion. Pity they can't concentrate on logical structure rather than continuously using such personal focus argument tactic as a diversion to avoid structural changes. The politics of apartheid was a failed project that most all in the world rejected most strongly as a very bad approach to life. Protectionism using mechanisms of division as a destructive result of fear. The rich who build walls to protect their status and lifestyle and unequal opportunity from the poor; the white from the black - attacking individuals who suggest change - trying to silence those who demand equal rights when such personal attacks are nothing but a diversion to try and avoid needed change. This thread is intended to be a discussion about forum structure so why are the same as usual divisive individuals keep bringing my name into their argument for division? Concentrate on the situation, not on your dislike of me or any other individual.

[wiak]

Well i see several personal attacks prior to the one you have highlighted.
Ultimately i found your attacks on puppy users rather sad and unjustified.
Paranoid almost.
But if you wish to continue then fire away...

This seemed to be where things went awry:

Unfortunately the couple of division/segregation advocates back to using thinly veiled personal attacks in their mini-gang fashion. Pity they can't concentrate on logical structure rather than continuously using such personal focus argument tactic as a diversion to avoid structural changes.

As I said, it is a pity that they continue with attacking me personally rather than keeping on topic of forum structure issues and suggestions. 'Paranoid' now. Consider this another warning or further admin action will be taken by me to end your puppian attack myself behaviour once and for all. Focus on the advantages of the restructure rather than on your old puppy gang behaviours which cannot work and did not.

[amethyst]

Well i see several personal attacks prior to the one you have highlighted.
Ultimately i found your attacks on puppy users rather sad and unjustified.
Paranoid almost.
But if you wish to continue then fire away...

This seemed to be where things went awry:

Unfortunately the couple of division/segregation advocates back to using thinly veiled personal attacks in their mini-gang fashion. Pity they can't concentrate on logical structure rather than continuously using such personal focus argument tactic as a diversion to avoid structural changes.

As I said, it is a pity that they continue with attacking me personally rather than keeping on topic of forum structure issues and suggestions. 'Paranoid' now. Consider this another warning or further admin action will be taken by me to end your puppian attack myself behaviour once and for all. Focus on the advantages of the restructure rather than on your old puppy gang behaviours which cannot work and did not.

So let's see. The main attacker is now warning whom he perceives as his attackers. You are definitely paranoid and insecure as already mentioned. Go figure, what a tool you are. Ban yourself and go somewhere else.

[wiak]

I get the feeling that @wiak does not have a lot of affection for Puppy Linux and is deeply annoyed by metaphysical discussions on the PLDF.

Which is also a very early (first page, fifth post?) in this thread comment on my mood and mind. As if you have any right to judge my internal thoughts or emotions.

[greengeek]

As I said, it is a pity that they continue with attacking me personally rather than keeping on topic of forum structure issues and suggestions. 'Paranoid' now. Consider this another warning or further admin action will be taken by me to end your puppian attack myself behaviour once and for all. Focus on the advantages of the restructure rather than on your old puppy gang behaviours which cannot work and did not.

Please bear in mind that fredx181 spawned this current thread from a completely different one as a result of this comment from you:

For goodness sakes, rockedge, please get rid of non-technical Off Topics. Several of the unfortunately relatively few active forum posters, even including moderators, have requested this. Such forum sections are well known to simply cause trouble and reveal that we are all indeed cuckoo.
Surely there has to be a final straw of nonsensible nutcase rubbish (whether true or false) that thank goodness at last breaks the off topic camel's back?

https://www.forum.puppylinux.com/viewto ... 78#p139578

In my opinion the attacks often begin with your own comments, as witnessed in that thread.

Anyway, the forum structure has changed (I support this!) but can we please move forward from here without the suggestion that people are ganging up against you?

It is not surprising that many people have different opinions so can we be tolerant of that without labelling such people as a "Puppy gang"?

Can we be tolerant of those who have different perspectives than your own?

[wiak]

And the PLDF forum structure was at last changed, after a dozen years of asking for it by me, and indeed only happened per that persistence on my part.

[wiak]

I may be mistaken but I think I saw somewhere that your are about 70 years old so probably there's not so much time left

EDIT with other related abuse in the sentence since he seems to think that makes it somehow ok:

I may be mistaken but I think I saw somewhere that your are about 70 years old so probably there's not so much time left but maybe you should try to grow up (it's never too late).

This is not acceptable and certainly nothing I would ever direct at another human being no matter what Linux distro I loved or didn't. If direct action were not taken the forum would have no standards of decent behaviour at all; it is way beyond 'bickering' by its nature and attitude. I will act on that if no-one else does so.

[amethyst]

I may be mistaken but I think I saw somewhere that your are about 70 years old so probably there's not so much time left

This is not acceptable and certainly nothing I would ever direct at another human being no matter what Linux distro I loved or didn't. If direct action were not taken the forum would have no standards of decent behaviour at all; it is way beyond 'bickering' by its nature and attitude. I will act on that if no-one else does so.

Why do you only quote part of the sentence and take things out of context. Bloody weasel. I stand with what I've said. Ban me you Immature little fuck.

[fredx181]

.... I'm just trying to stand up for civility and good standards of debate.

Yes, the discussion was constructive up to a certain point, not anymore now. (btw, very sad, and sooo.. predictable, ugh!)
The forum structure has been changed, thanks rockedge and thanks all for the input, most of us seem to have agreed with it.

Locking this thread now. PM me to request unlocking it again (and promise to be 'civil')

[mikewalsh]

I agree with Fred's decision 100%. But honestly, WTF is going on?

I go to bed 8 hours ago. At that point, the thread was fairly civil. I wake up this morning, and.....well. Accusations & attacks of a personal nature flying in all directions. Threats of reprisal being issued. And - the one I don't understand - the moderation team being accused of bias, because we're NOT jumping-in to defend somebody who has made it crystal-clear that they have a very low opinion of us!

If we do something.....we're "biased".

If we DON'T do something.....we're "biased".

Even if we don't get involved - for whatever reason; we all have lives outside this forum, and can't be here 24/7 - we're "biased" by virtue of our absence!

You can't win....because the deck is totally stacked against you before you even start.

This is not a "moan". Just an observation. But one I never thought I would have to make.

I'm bewildered. And saddened to see it coming to this.

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We knew there would be SOME disagreements over the structural reorganisation. That was expected. It's now a done job, and I think most of us would agree the forum is in fact better for it. But please, guys; we're all adults here. Let's act like it...hm?

Sorry to add my opinion, Fred.

As Fred has stated above - and it's a decision I fully support - this thread will remain "LOCKED". ONLY PM Fred to have it re-opened if you can all promise to conduct yourselves in a civil fashion.

All this bickering & squabbling, these threats & accusations, none of it is helping to give a positive impression of the community to visitors. And that's MY primary concern. There's precious little point in having a community forum - whatever the 'content' - if nobody wants to join.

Mike.