My name is Legion: for we are many

[Jasper]

@wiak

The prominence of Fossapup (Fossies???) based offerings on the forum?

I may not have the definitive answer, however did it slip your mind that it was created by 666 philb ?

The acolytes rejoiced when the kernel 6.6.6 was released.

Kernel 6.6 "Long Time Support"

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[Jasper]

In relation to old-timers......

The British Government have decided to stop 'universal' Winter Fuel payments to the elderly.

One harsh winter..........

[wiak]

What is the issue with the number 666? It just comes after 665. I understand your joke of course, but whole 666 thing a lot of nonsense of course...

As for Fossapup. Been a useful wee distro (tho I much preferred and long ago long used FossaDog).

Was more interested in determining if any of the House Training, Advanced Topics, and International Area were for any distros here other than Pups-only sections, but I've decided not to bother about this since I'm in process of considering my future involvement on the forum for lots of reasons and sometimes personal circumstances (though whatever I decide I will continue to work on FirstRib maintenance and development since used by my family anyway). I'm finding I'm too busy and losing track of stuff I once knew well (rusty) though very close at least to a KL_UbuntuNobleSwayWaybar release at last (struggled cos had forgotten much of the needed Sway related configuration details) so hope to ... at last ... get that finished and available as another (simple/small/much-unpolished) forum distro option. I like Sway since so well and longterm supported and can make pretty small and efficient (albeit basic) distros with it.

[Jasper]

"In Xanadu did Kublai Khan, A pleasure dome erect ........"

I do understand how the 'real estate' of the forum can at times overlook interesting and new developments.

Ideally there should be somewhere prominent to highlight these and to encourage participation and harvest interest.

The focus appears to be mainly in the area of providing package management and access to repositories of applications.

Which may suit the majority of users who have no interest in 'how things work'.

Apathy?

Have the script kiddies grown up and moved on?

Personally, if I find something of interest and it is not currently available to me. I do tend to try to find a solution. So for me, the oldest OS I use does keep me engaged and it's a mental challenge.

Something that did come to mind is the 'Reddit/HackerNews' forums, where members can vote for topics.

These then move up and down the sections as interest is registered.

Would these be a solution to not always having OS specific topics?

It would be a shame to see you go.

I like the idea of small un-polished projects, it gives users and idea of what is possible and an opportunity to build open.

[Jasper]

You piqued my interest with the mention of 'Sway'.

With a bit time, maybe this would be available for Fossapup64-95 users.

........... needs an updated version of Cmake I know already

[rockedge]

more interested in determining if any of the House Training, Advanced Topics, and International Area were for any distros here other than Pups-only sections

Apples and oranges.........I made a forum specifically for FirstRib........no one besides myself has been involved with it for several years now.

You want a forum restructure then discuss it directly in earnest.

I am not a professional forum builder nor organizer.....the furthest thing from a Librarian, just an old worn down Gaffer who once made movies and mistrusts governments and reacts to being stabbed in the back.

@Jasper I have contacted you directly and no response either. You have a problem with me?

[Jasper]

@rockedge am I missing something ????

[Jasper]

@wiak .................. don't listen to me

[fredx181]

@Jasper How about more communicating ? (I mean real communicating, not so much cryptic messages, just properly replying... human to human...).

[wiak]

more interested in determining if any of the House Training, Advanced Topics, and International Area were for any distros here other than Pups-only sections

Apples and oranges.........I made a forum specifically for FirstRib........no one besides myself has been involved with it for several years now.

You want a forum restructure then discuss it directly in earnest.

I am not a professional forum builder nor organizer.....the furthest thing from a Librarian, just an old worn down Gaffer who once made movies and mistrusts governments and reacts to being stabbed in the back.

@Jasper I have contacted you directly and no response either. You have a problem with me?

I don't see anyone being stabbed in the back rockedge. In my post I'm simply signalling two things. One, that despite fighting against it in my mind I feel I have to face the reality that it would be a long time if ever I could get back on top of KL-related forum matters. As I said I will be continuing to maintain existing firstrib scrips because my family needs that anyway. But matters concerning building/polishing distros and publishing such has slipped away from me due to life situation matters. I think therefore it might be best to give up admin role under wiak name since I am hardly sble to involve myself these days.

Second (as a possible parting thought), though I therefore cannot contribute to further consideration of forum structure I do feel membership should be concerned with a consideration towards changing forum structure since the old is glaringly old here and the active new areas no real future when most outsidets have little chance to know about them. Not a problem if everyone else is fine with old pups continuing dominating position. It is PLDF afterall, but whilst I cant offer new structure I do believe a discussion and decision on forum structure is now necessary to avoid decay.

But I will suggest the idea: strive for a collaborative forum approach instead of current separation arrangement. Certainly the distros are all significantly different (but much difference even between all KL distros). I'd suggest one house training, users, advanced and so on with the separations needed to account for difference inside the main sections. Thus same status in terms of exposure to outside public for all established forum distros. As things stand the forum shows no signs of adapting to actual ongoing change - old puppy rules the roost. But my feeling is not a request for any forum member to do the restructuring work. Just stating my view that it is badly needed or decay will set in permanently too.

Sorry, no time to even fix the mis-spellings on this Android phone.

[rockedge]

I will run some experiments on a test platform which is a one to one copy of this forum. Try to unify some of the sections.

[bigpup]

I disagree with the idea of putting stuff together.

The separation is needed to keep the differences from making it hard to even discuss issues or fixes.

The name of the forum is Puppy Linux Discussion forum.

Not all the possible Linux operating systems someone wants to come up with and have a forum to talk about them.

I think it is sectioned off good right now.

Maybe the different operating system sections, that are not Puppy Linux, need to have more discussion sections under them.

Where the other OS's are located. This needs to be more of a section title than it is now.
Just titled Forum is saying nothing about why it is even there.

Something like: Linux Operating Systems, similar to Puppy Linux, but not Puppy Linux

The Kennel Linux Distros section may be better to also have in this section of the forum
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[bigpup]

Just because you may not be working on a new version of Puppy Linux.
You may not know about the newest ones that are there to now use.

Just because there is a newer way to do something, does not make it the best way.

Puppy Linux is full of old programs, that just work, for what they are designed to do.
Constantly trying to invent the wheel, is not good, if it is not making a needed improvement.

I can tell you for sure, a lot of stuff in Puppy has improved, but because it was needed to fix bugs, how it worked, newer hardware support, and to stop having issues.
That is driving the release of a newer version.

Puppy does not need a new operating system, so more money can be made from people having to buy it.

[Jasper]

What Is the Mark of the Beast? Is it 666?

Linux Kernel 6.6.66 LTS - Sat, 14 Dec 2024

https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/ke ... .66.tar.gz
https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/ke ... 66.tar.asc

[libertas]

What Is the Mark of the Beast? Is it 666?

Linux Kernel 6.6.66 LTS - Sat, 14 Dec 2024

https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/ke ... .66.tar.gz
https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/ke ... 66.tar.asc

Most people don't know the symbology they use to communicate, so are clueless regarding what happens in the world and why it happens.
Yes, software is another domain dominated by the satanic powers.

[Jasper]

Intel Devil's Canyon

"I finally know why I'm not a Christian, Scully. My parents never got me a puppy." — Fox Mulder, The X-Files’ Season 11, Episode 9

Dog is God spelt backwards.

[Pikaxhu]

#Kernevil...

What Is the Mark of the Beast? Is it 666?

Linux Kernel 6.6.66 LTS - Sat, 14 Dec 2024

https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/ke ... .66.tar.gz
https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/ke ... 66.tar.asc

[wiak]

Intel Devil's Canyon

"I finally know why I'm not a Christian, Scully. My parents never got me a puppy." — Fox Mulder, The X-Files’ Season 11, Episode 9

Dog is God spelt backwards.

I never intended or thought of FirstRib to be anything to do with Adam and Eve.

[rockedge]

Satanic powers? God(s)?

Blah blah blah.

Praying to the aliens. Meanwhile my database thresholds near with USELESS information like this topic.

[Jasper]

Most people don't know the symbology they use to communicate, so are clueless regarding what happens in the world and why it happens.

“Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it."

DOWNLOAD wd_multi for hundreds of 'distros'

From WD to FirstRib.

[Duprate]

What Is the Mark of the Beast? Is it 666?

Linux Kernel 6.6.66 LTS - Sat, 14 Dec 2024

Hello! No one is obliged to use "the mark of the beast"! Kernel 6.12.x is the new LTS and I'm already using the latest version (6.12.5)....

It is free will...

[Jasper]

@Duprate

What Is the Mark of the Beast? Is it 666?

Linux Kernel 6.6.66 LTS - Sat, 14 Dec 2024

Consider this ......

Today is the 14 December 2024.

If you add 14+12+2024=2050

Now on a piece of paper try to divide 2050 by 666 (NOT by a calculator!!!)

You will see that the answer is 000 with a remainder of 666.

This calls for wisdom: let the one who has understanding calculate the number of the beast

I am not forecasting the 'End of Days'. I still have to wait for the big Waitrose Christmas shopping to arrive.

[wiak]

I disagree with the idea of putting stuff together.
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The Kennel Linux Distros section may be better to also have in this section of the forum
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Alongside the little space provided for Dogs you mean, which was not even provided in the old forum despite Debiandogs being of quite high interest since 2013.

The 'Kennels', as I understand it, refers to the whole forum. Inclusively in fact; what an odd idea. Kennel Linux in that terminology is a mongrel born of including parts from all. One might suggest that KL in whatever shape and form it takes is the main overall forum-representing set of distros.

[bigpup]

This is more of a discussion to bring up as a topic in the Forum Organization & Structure Council
viewforum.php?f=127

Topics there have caused changes to be made to the layout of the forum.

Well, rockedge has already posted, he is looking into making some changes, based on posts in this topic.

[wiak]

So an ignorant moderator chose to edit a simple post I made above because, he said, it somehow broke the terms of the forum. Yet that same moderator read the following from a different ignorant moderator and let it 'stand'. Neither should have moderator rights since they abuse the position, and the second one using disgusting albeit entirely erroneous defamation should be banned:

My gosh man, MUST YOU DISPARAGE EVERYONE, here's a suggestion...if you have NOTHING positive to contribute, don't say anything. You sound like a
disgruntled, unhappy, forlorn, unsatisfied, frustrated old man that "couldn't get it up with a crane", and wants to blame EVERYONE for their personal
shortcomings rather than look at their own failures and work on ways to improve them. SHEESH, ENOUGH ALREADY!

Yet another case of double standards that destroy what was once the character of this forum, where simply opposing opinions should be fine for everyone and especially moderators despite their bias. Yet these moderators are tolerated for some reason or other despite such examples of their forum treatment.

[fredx181]

So an ignorant moderator chose to edit a simple post I made above because, he said, it somehow broke the terms of the forum. Yet that same moderator read the following from a different ignorant moderator and let it 'stand'. Neither should have moderator rights since they abuse the position, and the second one using disgusting albeit entirely erroneous defamation should be banned:

My gosh man, MUST YOU DISPARAGE EVERYONE, here's a suggestion...if you have NOTHING positive to contribute, don't say anything. You sound like a
disgruntled, unhappy, forlorn, unsatisfied, frustrated old man that "couldn't get it up with a crane", and wants to blame EVERYONE for their personal
shortcomings rather than look at their own failures and work on ways to improve them. SHEESH, ENOUGH ALREADY!

Yet another case of double standards that destroy what was once the character of this forum, where simply opposing opinions should be fine for everyone and especially moderators despite their bias. Yet these moderators are tolerated for some reason or other despite such examples of their forum treatment.

Yes, @bigpup Since you care so much about forum rules and specially about "getting personal", I think you should have given a warning (or at least commented) to Wiz57 for posting that .
Moderators should not violate the forum rules too, don't you think ?

[rockedge]

Yet another case of double standards that destroy what was once the character of this forum, where simply opposing opinions should be fine for everyone and especially moderators despite their bias. Yet these moderators are tolerated for some reason or other despite such examples of their forum treatment.

Interesting fact: while converting the original database again I found 65000+ posts of pure spam. Which in the original conversion to the oldforum I removed MANUALLY. So I am very familiar with the forum's contents. Of the 27000+ registered members about 15000 are fake and are spammers.

Another interesting fact is the huge number of hateful and aggressive posts THROUGHOUT the Murga forum. So many I have come across that it appears the friendly inclusion thing that the Murga forum supposedly presented is entirely MYTH and that it was a place of inclusion is FALSE.

I can prove repeatably my points above if anyone disputes these findings.

All of this tit for tat is making me crazy........the crap being dumped into our database just adds $$$ to the price of storage. @wiak is this all on purpose to test my patience or how well I can handle all of the garbage?

My name is legion....what is that supposed to mean in the first place? It's garbage. My opinion.

[bigpup]

Yes, @bigpup Since you care so much about forum rules and specially about "getting personal", I think you should have given a warning (or at least commented) to Wiz57 for posting that .
Moderators should not violate the forum rules too, don't you think ?

If this was in this topic it has been deleted or I cannot find it in this topic.

Only reason it is staying in any posts is that is what the post is about.
But maybe even there it needs deleted.

If this is in some other topic.

Please give link to it so it can be deleted.

[rockedge]

@bigpup Is anyone listening to me?????

I can assure you that all this can be stopped in seconds.

[mikewalsh]

@bigpup Is anyone listening to me?????

I can assure you that all this can be stopped in seconds.

I don't think anyone's listening, Erik. Everybody's seemingly more interested in "having a go" at everybody else today.

Shut the forum down. Delete it. Remove it from existence, and save yourself some money AND a ton of hassle, mate. It's the solution to everything. That'll get their attention.....sooner or later. (Maybe..!)

Mike.